The anti-7dMkII thread

cmasoncmason Registered Users Posts: 2,506 Major grins
edited October 6, 2014 in Cameras
OK, the jury is still out on the 7DMkII, so while I wait to see good images, I am contemplating going in a different direction: Nikon full frame.

The new Nikon 750 looks simply amazing. It seems to combine the pricing and image quality of the Canon 6D with the focus and shutter of the 5DMkIII (or better). Add to that the Sony sensor low light capability, and I am just amazed with every review I read. Why didnt Canon make this camera or make the 6D like this?

Of course, it doesn't have the Gatling gun shutter of the 7DMk2, but frankly I don't need that, having never noticed if I missed a shot with my Canon 40D, which boasts a similar 6 fps. For focus there are a nice spread of 51 focus pts from the 810, rather than the embarrassing 19 pts in the 6D, or the tiny cluster of 39 in the Nikon 610.

So what am I missing? What is the catch? Why is this not a great replacement for someone lusting after an unaffordable 5DMk3, that wants more than a super fast fps found in the 7D? To me this seems to be just the right camera that I wish Canon had made.

Now, if I didn't have all those lenses and flashes...
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  • moose135moose135 Registered Users Posts: 1,420 Major grins
    edited October 3, 2014
    cmason wrote: »
    Now, if I didn't have all those lenses and flashes...
    There you go...

    Actually, if you are lusting for a 5D3, check the Canon Loyalty Program. B&H shows the Nikon 750 and 24-120mm lens (you'll need glass, right) for $3,600. I got a 5D3 and 24-105mm IS for $3,300 (with tax & shipping) earlier this year through the CLP.
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  • cmasoncmason Registered Users Posts: 2,506 Major grins
    edited October 3, 2014
    moose135 wrote: »
    There you go...

    Actually, if you are lusting for a 5D3, check the Canon Loyalty Program. B&H shows the Nikon 750 and 24-120mm lens (you'll need glass, right) for $3,600. I got a 5D3 and 24-105mm IS for $3,300 (with tax & shipping) earlier this year through the CLP.

    As it turns out, if I go to full frame even on Canon, I only get to keep half of my lenses, as the other half are EF-S only. I do like the Canon layout better. How does one qualify? I thought this was for angry customers with a broken camera. My 40D is still ticking.
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  • moose135moose135 Registered Users Posts: 1,420 Major grins
    edited October 3, 2014
    I moved from a 7D to the 5D3 (well, I still have it as a second body) so I was in the same boat as far as lenses. For the loyalty program, all you have to do is turn in a non-working Canon digital camera. I found an old Canon P&S on E-bay for $15 being sold "for parts" and used that as my trade in.
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  • David_S85David_S85 Administrators Posts: 13,245 moderator
    edited October 4, 2014
    5DIII's are now going for $2599 street if FF is your thing. Great time to buy.
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  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited October 4, 2014
    cmason wrote: »
    Why didnt Canon make this camera?

    What are you talking about? The D750 is merely a 5D3 with a Sony sensor, Nikon mount, and Nikon controls (spits on ground).
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  • cmasoncmason Registered Users Posts: 2,506 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2014
    Canon 5DMk3 = $3,399 (BH)
    Nikon 750 = $2,296 (BH)

    High praise for the Nikon, given its over $1,000 cheaper. (body only prices)
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  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2014
    Indeed, Canon will need to adjust its price if it expects anyone without an investment in Canon lenses to purchase a 5D3 over a D750. But if you know where to look you can get a 5D3 for $2600.
    -Jack

    An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
  • Matthew SavilleMatthew Saville Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,352 Major grins
    edited October 6, 2014
    You insult the Nikon D750 by calling this the anti 7D mk2 thread. But then again, anybody who prefers the Canon layout over Nikon simply isn't sound of mind, anyways, so we won't hold it against you. :Drolleyes1.gifscratch

    In all seriousness, I do firmly believe that the D750 is going to prove to be one of the best cameras ever made. Like the D700 was to the Canon 5D and 5D mk2, maybe.

    Then again, if Canon takes what they're doing with the 7D mk2 and applies it to the 6D / 5D mk3, that'll be quite a winner as well in every respect except the few that (in my opinion at least) make Nikon a better system in the first place- better image quality, superior control layout, (for those who master it and customize it right) ...and more features in general.

    By the way, with Nikon you get to keep your crop-sensor lenses, and I use mine quite often on my D800e when I don't care to be doodling around with 36 MP files all the time. My Tokina 11-16 and Sigma 50-150 2.8 get a fair amount of use, even though I also own a fair compliment of FX lenses.

    Just some food for thought. By the way, Chip, what do you mainly shoot? I poke fun at Canon often, but there are of course still plenty of reasons to stick with Canon. The 7D mk2 looks to be a truly killer telephoto sports camera, especially that new AF system...

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  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited October 6, 2014
    Matthew Saville wrote: »
    Then again, if Canon takes what they're doing with the 7D mk2 and applies it to the 6D / 5D mk3, that'll be quite a winner

    This would make the 1DX as we know it obsolete.
    Nikon...superior control layout

    100% subjective opinion.
    By the way, with Nikon you get to keep your crop-sensor lenses

    This seems antithetical to the reasons for moving to FF in the first place.
    -Jack

    An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
  • Matthew SavilleMatthew Saville Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,352 Major grins
    edited October 6, 2014
    jmphotocraft wrote: »
    This would make the 1DX as we know it obsolete.
    Indeed, which is why such a camera probably won't ever happen. (And Nikon clearly had no intentions of putting the D4s sensor in the D810 body, this is proven by the existence / naming of the D750.)
    jmphotocraft wrote: »
    100% subjective opinion.
    I used to say that too, until recently. As someone who frequently uses both systems, extensively for thousands of images per week / month, I feel like the differences are becoming less subjective and more cut-and-dry.

    I'm talking on a mainstream scale, too. It used to be that I preferred Nikon for a bunch of obscure, quirky reasons regarding control customization and personal preference, and for most shooters Canon was actually a much better choice. Now, especially with the Nikon 800-series cameras, I truly feel that anything else is a quantifiable compromise.

    By the way this has almost nothing to do with where the buttons are, or what direction lenses turn etc... I can get used to all that in just a few hundred clicks. I'm talking about actual features that are simply absent from other cameras, and probably will be for quite a while.

    But, you don't have to take my word for it! It took me 10+ years and at least a million clicks from the various systems out there, to reach this conclusion, and my #1 advice on the internet is, well, never trust what us crazy fanboys say on the internet. ;-)
    jmphotocraft wrote: »
    This seems antithetical to the reasons for moving to FF in the first place.
    Not nearly as much as you'd think, when you have 36megapixels at your disposal and insane image quality. ~16 megapixels is more than enough for telephoto candid shots at a wedding ceremony or reception, and the size, weight and $$$ savings is amazing. Put the Tokina 11-16 2.8 DX next to the 16-28 2.8 FX or 14-24 2.8 FX, and you'll see what I mean. Not only that, but FX lenses gain a crop-factor advantage when shooting on 36 MP as well. My 24-70 is a 24-105mm f/2.8 now, and my 70-200mm goes to 300mm.

    Like I said, of course I only ever do this in situations where DOF and resolution aren't critical. However in my experience, this is the case much more frequently than you'd think, for anyone who does general candid photography. Landscape etc. shooters for example can largely disregard this, mainly, although I do still use my DX lenses for timelapses when running multi-camera setups for certain shots...

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