Pushing my camera to its Photographic Limits

nickphoto123nickphoto123 Registered Users Posts: 302 Major grins
edited January 2, 2006 in Cameras
Hello All,

Attended a Christmas Show with my S9000 and my monopod.

We were seated in the rear of the auditorium.

All of my images were shot from my seat.

Image 27 ( page 3) shows our view of the show.

Images 2 & 13 were shot by my Self-timer as I held my camera above my head by holding my monopod upward.

One moment I shot at 200 mm and then the next at 600 mm digital Zoom. I went back and forth. I tried manual focus as well. With the max 4.8 aperture at the tele end, the shutter speeds were a bit slow to capture some of the acton. my shots were coming out blurry.

I adapted to the situation by followng the action and taking the shot at the end of a performer's movement. This worked well and I decided to shoot raw depending on the importance and the timing of the performance. I found that at 800 ISO, shooting RAW, does indeed provide alot of detail that you can obtain by using Neat Image to reduce the noise.
Jpeg in camera processing does eat detail at hgh ISO.

It was a fun Show and it was enjoyable to push the limits of my S9000 and still obtain some captured moments.

I presented the church with an album of all 29 images printed at 8x10:

http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/1077177

Regards, Nicholas

Comments

  • ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,938 moderator
    edited December 30, 2005
    You have some nice composition there but the shots are noisey and look
    very compressed. This is one of the problems shooting with zooms.
    I like the shots showing the stage from up high. Helps to give some perspective
    to the scenes.

    Very nice gesture to give the church copies.
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 30, 2005
    Nothing wrong with those shots, Nick thumb.gif

    Just a thought - since we're talking about the performance of the camera here, it would be useful to have the exif available (turn "camera details" on in customize gallery setup) and maybe allow size Large, so folks get a better view :D

    Happy New Year to you and yours!
  • wholenewlightwholenewlight Registered Users Posts: 1,529 Major grins
    edited December 30, 2005

    Nice shots under tougher than average conditions. Love the "cowboy" kid pictures - cute expressions.

    BTW, there is a nice review of the s9000 in this month's Shutterbug mag.
    john w

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  • nickphoto123nickphoto123 Registered Users Posts: 302 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy, at Original I loose copyright protection
    Hello All,

    Not to get off topic but a reply to Andy:

    Andy, I do no post large or original size because when I do I lose copyright protection. Can this be fixed by Smugmug?

    Regards, Nicholas
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Hello All,

    Not to get off topic but a reply to Andy:

    Andy, I do no post large or original size because when I do I lose copyright protection. Can this be fixed by Smugmug?

    Regards, Nicholas

    Nick, you have a pro account. You can right click protect the photos (which, you've done I see). How does allowing size Large (never Original) make you lose your copyright? The photos are yours. Small, Medium, Large - they're all yours :D

    The main point of my post though, was that if your talking tech details about a camera, it's good to include the EXIF - and that's just a radio button in Gallery Tools>Customize Gallery>Camera Info = Yes

    I hope this helps.

    All the best,
  • ScottMcLeodScottMcLeod Registered Users Posts: 753 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Nick, you have a pro account. You can right click protect the photos (which, you've done I see). How does allowing size Large (never Original) make you lose your copyright? The photos are yours. Small, Medium, Large - they're all yours :D

    The main point of my post though, was that if your talking tech details about a camera, it's good to include the EXIF - and that's just a radio button in Gallery Tools>Customize Gallery>Camera Info = Yes

    I hope this helps.

    All the best,

    I think he's worried that people could take "large" version files, and make 4x6'es out of them. (or larger?)

    I'm not sure what size Smugmug makes "large" jpeg's in the display mode, but i've seen people get decent prints out of 1024x768, which most photographers charge at least a dollar or two for.
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    I'm not sure what size Smugmug makes "large" jpeg's in the display mode, but i've seen people get decent prints out of 1024x768, which most photographers charge at least a dollar or two for.

    800px on the longest side. Typical: 800x600, or 800 x 533.
  • ScottMcLeodScottMcLeod Registered Users Posts: 753 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    800px on the longest side. Typical: 800x600, or 800 x 533.

    Nevermind then!

    I guess I oughta try it out sometime eh?

    My only worry is that it's an american site, and the costs/shipping probably doesn't justify using it for my mostly canadian audience.

    On that note, is there anywhere with the details about how much SM charges for each size of print, etc..? or should I just try to set up an account?

    Also, is there a dGrin discount? :-P
    - Scott
    http://framebyframe.ca
    [Bodies] Canon EOS 20D - Canon EOS 500
    [Lenses] Sigma APO 70-200 f/2.8 - Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 - Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 - Tamron XR Di 28-75mm f/2.8 - Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
    [Flash] Sigma EF500 Super DG Flash
    [Tripod]
    Manfrotto 055 Pro Black
    [Head] 484RC2, 200RC2
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Also, is there a dGrin discount? :-P


    Sure is! Just enter this coupon code: CLGbTHzpo7yxc
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Nevermind then!

    I guess I oughta try it out sometime eh?

    My only worry is that it's an american site, and the costs/shipping probably doesn't justify using it for my mostly canadian audience.

    On that note, is there anywhere with the details about how much SM charges for each size of print, etc..? or should I just try to set up an account?

    Also, is there a dGrin discount? :-P


    On the footer of nearly every SmugMug page: "prints and gifts"
    http://www.smugmug.com/prints/catalog.mg

    http://www.smugmug.com/prints/shipping.mg

    You can get a coupon code from any member - save $5 off your subscription thumb.gif
  • nickphoto123nickphoto123 Registered Users Posts: 302 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy, perhaps you are not aware of this:
    Andy said :
    "Nick, you have a pro account. You can right click protect the photos (which, you've done I see). How does allowing size Large (never Original) make you lose your copyright? The photos are yours. Small, Medium, Large - they're all yours :D"

    Andy, perhaps you are unaware of this:

    The Larger images open in a new window Which Does Not carry the Right Click Copyright Protection.

    To provide you with an actual gallery which loses the copyright protection I have enabled display of the Largest size image, blocked the display of the Original image, and selected copyright protection for this gallery:

    http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/1040225/1/48281367

    right click on the thumbnails or the selected thumbnail's larger version and you will see the copyright protection.

    double click on the displayed larger version and you are brought to a new window of a larger version and if you right click on this image in the new window you will see that there is NO right click protection.

    Smugmug should correct this issue.

    I will set the gallery to my previous setting tomorrow, to give you a chance to read this post and check it out.

    Regards, Nicholas
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy said :
    "Nick, you have a pro account. You can right click protect the photos (which, you've done I see). How does allowing size Large (never Original) make you lose your copyright? The photos are yours. Small, Medium, Large - they're all yours :D"

    Andy, perhaps you are unaware of this:

    The Larger images open in a new window Which Does Not carry the Right Click Copyright Protection.

    To provide you with an actual gallery which loses the copyright protection I have enabled display of the Largest size image, blocked the display of the Original image, and selected copyright protection for this gallery:

    http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/1040225/1/48281367

    right click on the thumbnails or the selected thumbnail's larger version and you will see the copyright protection.

    double click on the displayed larger version and you are brought to a new window of a larger version and if you right click on this image in the new window you will see that there is NO right click protection.

    Smugmug should correct this issue.

    I will set the gallery to my previous setting tomorrow, to give you a chance to read this post and check it out.

    Regards, Nicholas

    Nick, I did this and got a meaningless spacer.gif. Don't understand what the problem is, working as advertised, far as I can tell.
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Andy said :
    "Nick, you have a pro account. You can right click protect the photos (which, you've done I see). How does allowing size Large (never Original) make you lose your copyright? The photos are yours. Small, Medium, Large - they're all yours :D"

    Andy, perhaps you are unaware of this:

    The Larger images open in a new window Which Does Not carry the Right Click Copyright Protection.

    To provide you with an actual gallery which loses the copyright protection I have enabled display of the Largest size image, blocked the display of the Original image, and selected copyright protection for this gallery:

    http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/1040225/1/48281367

    right click on the thumbnails or the selected thumbnail's larger version and you will see the copyright protection.

    double click on the displayed larger version and you are brought to a new window of a larger version and if you right click on this image in the new window you will see that there is NO right click protection.

    Smugmug should correct this issue.

    I will set the gallery to my previous setting tomorrow, to give you a chance to read this post and check it out.

    Regards, Nicholas

    Nick,

    Ouch, I'm sorry you're not fully understanding how Right-Click protect works, Nick. Please look at the file you can save. It's called "spacer.gif"..go ahead, try it :D

    It works. Nothing needs to be corrected. I hope this clarifies it!

    All the best,
  • MitchellMitchell Registered Users Posts: 3,503 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Nick, did you say the maximum aperture of your camera is F4.8? If so, is this typical of this type of camera?
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2006
    Mitchell wrote:
    Nick, did you say the maximum aperture of your camera is F4.8? If so, is this typical of this type of camera?

    Only at the tele end. It's f/2.8 at the wider end.
  • nickphoto123nickphoto123 Registered Users Posts: 302 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2006
    Thanks Andy....
    Andy, Perhaps this info should be included in the Smugmug instruction page.

    Thank you.

    Mitchell,

    It seems to be typical for Zoom Digicams.

    The Sony R-1 which only goes to 120mm, equiv., also goes to 4.8 on the tele end, which is a pretty bad spec for 120mm, IMHO.

    Regards, Nicholas
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2006
    Andy, Perhaps this info should be included in the Smugmug instruction page.

    Thank you.

    Mitchell,

    It seems to be typical for Zoom Digicams.

    The Sony R-1 which only goes to 120mm, equiv., also goes to 4.8 on the tele end, which is a pretty bad spec for 120mm, IMHO.

    Regards, Nicholas

    Whew. So glad that you understand it now! All the best,
  • binghottbinghott Registered Users Posts: 1,075 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2006
    maybe next time you shoot an event like this, you could just sit closer. . . rolleyes1.gif
    that's my favorite type of zoom.
  • MitchellMitchell Registered Users Posts: 3,503 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Only at the tele end. It's f/2.8 at the wider end.

    Thanks for the info. My experience with this type of camera is limited.
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