Usual appearance of a Slideshow-Style Gallery

WinsomeWorks · October 30, 2015

I have a gallery set to display as Slideshow-style: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Portfolio/Panoramic-Portfolio-Slideshow/i-v7q8gQ7 I'm wondering how these types of galleries usually display. In other words, no captions are showing. And it may be nice if there were a running "filmstrip" thing below it, but I don't know if that's usually an option. It seems this gallery is inheriting some CSS code from my Homepage slideshow, because it's got a similar frame around it. So if that's the case, that may mean it's not displaying other things (like captions) the way it could or should.

I will probably be changing that slideshow gallery anyway as it's identical to my homepage one & seems to have no more functionality (in Legacy, it did...) but for future reference I'm just wondering what the expected behavior is for slideshow-style galleries (such as captions) Note: I have almost no titles on my site, only captions. (not by choice, only due to the whims of the transition Gods) So if gallery slideshows only show titles, that would also explain it.

denisegoldberg · October 30, 2015

You can easily test this on your site by using a test gallery and placing both a caption and title on some of your images.

I just experimented with this on my site; the slideshow gallery style shows both caption and title if you have the Captions option turned on for SLIDESHOW in the Gallery Styles box.

To get to Gallery Style box:
> open a gallery
> Customize...
> Content and design
> hover over the gallery and click the wrench

Set the options you want for each gallery style.

--- Denise

WinsomeWorks · October 30, 2015

Thanks much, Denise. I already had captions on them, but yes, I'm not sure that I ever went to the gallery style that way on that particular gallery, to be sure they were truly turned on, etc. It turns out they were not turned on, and this time I set it to "Make this page custom" since I wasn't sure what would happen if I didn/t. But the captions still didn't show, or... only little bits of the tops of letters were showing. The slideshow on that page was definitely taking on my custom CSS for that frame on my homepage show. It was Mike's code that I got from one of his pages, and I didn't think to ask how it could be targeted to just the homepage. I'll have to look into it more. So for now, I just set that gallery to landscape collage, which is fine. Everything's still in temporary mode.

I'm still struggling to grasp just what is affected when you "Customize" then make the decision whether to select "All Folders" or "Just this page" & click that button saying that page won't inherit changes to all folders anymore. It appears in the case of Gallery style adjustments made for "Just this page", there's a revert button that will make them re-inherit the rest of your site's changes.. but the "Gotcha" is that you'd have to go into each gallery's settings later to make that happen, right? Also, say I had chosen Customize > Content and design > All Galleries > Content > Galleries & hit the wrench while in that one specific gallery (instead of setting it to "Make this gallery custom", & set parameters for the Slideshow style... would that mean that every other gallery having Slideshow Style (as long as it hadn't been made "Custom") would've taken on all those same options like captions, etc.? and/or would it mean every other gallery would've taken on Slideshow style?

Part of the reason I'm not readily feeling clear on some of this, and/or why some of it may be acting differently for me, is that some defaults were already set prior to my working on my site. But I don't always know what they are, or whether I set them (while stumbling around) or the engineers or the "Copy of SmugMug" transition set them! Hope I can grasp it all better eventually... it would certainly help if some of the wording in the tools was more explicit though. PS, the screenshots are SO helpful!! Seeing it is worth 1000s of words!

denisegoldberg · October 30, 2015

The Gallery Style settings apply to all galleries of that style (I believe unless you use "just this gallery", but I'm not sure about that). These settings allow you to set characteristics of each gallery style.

Each individual gallery can either inherit the default style or be set to a different style.

See help page at http://help.smugmug.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1214935-what-are-gallery-styles-.

--- Denise

WinsomeWorks · November 1, 2015

Ok, that helps a lot. The Help pages for gallery styles really did clear up a lot of it too. Here it is again for anyone else reading this: http://help.smugmug.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1214935-what-are-gallery-styles- (I guess when I read it before, everything was just all too new & I didn't absorb it). And I see now (after reading Help) that there is a way to choose a whole bunch of galleries in the organizer & set them to a certain style (you just can't change your default that way, and I don't think you can set individual choices for the particulars of each style's display). But still-- that will immensely speed up the changes I need to do to my archives gallery styles. I'm surprised the Heroes didn't mention that when I was asking about changing a whole folder over to a style.

The only thing I know of now that I'm not 100% sure about & which keeps me from hitting one button, is this: If I've already set some galleries to "Just this Gallery" & chosen a style, then I now go & set a default style for all my galleries & set some parameters for each style while being in another gallery, those galleries that I'd earlier set to "Just this gallery" will not change, right? That's how I understand it, but it would be a mess at this point if I set a new default for the rest & then those individual ones would change too. I'm 99% sure they won't, but I've been wrong once before. :uhoh

leftquark · November 2, 2015

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

The only thing I know of now that I'm not 100% sure about & which keeps me from hitting one button, is this: If I've already set some galleries to "Just this Gallery" & chosen a style, then I now go & set a default style for all my galleries & set some parameters for each style while being in another gallery, those galleries that I'd earlier set to "Just this gallery" will not change, right? That's how I understand it, but it would be a mess at this point if I set a new default for the rest & then those individual ones would change too. I'm 99% sure they won't, but I've been wrong once before. :uhoh

Gallery Styles are independent of "Just this Gallery" or "All Galleries". If the Gallery has its style set to the default (done in the Gallery Settings -> Appearance tab, or in the Customize -> Gallery Style) and then you go into "All Galleries" and change the Default style, any gallery that had its style set to the default will now have the new default, even if it was "Just this Gallery". Just this gallery typically refers to customizations of Content Blocks on a specific gallery while the gallery style selected is chosen based on your Gallery Settings.

If you had a gallery set to a specific style, change the default to that style, then change the default again, we will remember the original setting and not automatically adjust the gallery. It'll go back to what it originally was.

Here's an example:
Default set to SmugMug style
Gallery1: All Galleries, set to "SmugMug (Default)"
Gallery2: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape"
Gallery3: All Galleries, set to "SmugMug (Default)"
Gallery4: All Galleries, set to "Journal"
Gallery5: Just this Gallery, set to SmugMug (Default)"
Gallery6: Just this Gallery, set to "Collage Landscape"

If I change the default style from SmugMug to Collage Landscape the follow galleries get changed:
Gallery1, Gallery3, Gallery5 and they look like:
Gallery1: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape (Default)"
Gallery2: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape"
Gallery3: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape (Default)"
Gallery4: All Galleries, set to "Journal"
Gallery5: Just this Gallery, set to "Collage Landscape (Default)"
Gallery6: Just this Gallery, set to "Collage Landscape"

If I create a new gallery, let it stay at the default (Collage Landscape (Default)):
Gallery7: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape (Default)"

If I now change the default style to Journal, then the following galleries get changed:
Gallery1, Gallery3, Gallery5, Gallery7 and they look like:
Gallery1, Gallery3, Gallery5 and they look like:
Gallery1: All Galleries, set to "Journal (Default)"
Gallery2: All Galleries, set to "Collage Landscape"
Gallery3: All Galleries, set to "Journal (Default)"
Gallery4: All Galleries, set to "Journal"
Gallery5: Just this Gallery, set to "Journal (Default)"
Gallery6: Just this Gallery, set to "Collage Landscape"
Gallery7: All Galleries, set to "Journal (Default)"

Notice how Gallery2 and Gallery6 stay as Collage Landscape, since they weren't initially set as the default gallery style.

WinsomeWorks · November 2, 2015

Question: Where's the starting point with "Default" Gallery Style?
Note: Please, no rush to answer this; it's long & it'll be a couple days til I can do much w/ the info anyway! A huge thanks for posting this level of detail & clarity on the Gallery Styles questions, Aaron-- it's a lot to digest, and I'm still working on it, but I think it's starting to make sense. I'm not sure I can yet articulate correctly the questions this brings up, & I may have more later. But I'm thinking now before I go & change my default style, I'd better be sure about the following things. As I said somewhere, it may be a bit more intricate for me since I had a Legacy site, had it re-set by engineers twice (with different results each time) and It's not always evident which settings are behaving precisely as default settings should. So I'll try to formulate my main questions, in order to understand how my particular site may behave.

1. What is being seen by New SmugMug as the true (initial) Default Style for one's new galleries? (& does that even have any effect on any of the behaviors you listed in detail?) In other words, is the true or initial Default Style seen as: a. The one we had in Legacy SmugMug or b. The one we chose in our New SmugMug Content settings? (or in my case, the one set by the engineers the 2nd time my site theme was reset to a site-wide theme.)

Here's why I'm asking that: In Legacy, if we indeed had a Default Gallery Style (I actually have already forgotten!) mine was set to "SmugMug Style". I had only a handful of galleries set to "Journal (New)", maybe 1 or 2 set to "Journal (Old)". The rest were set to SmugMug style when I created them. And now, if I go into Organizer > "Settings", in every gallery I've found, their "Appearance" is already showing as "SmugMug Style", except for those few that were Journal or whatever when I created them. Those few still say they're Journal or whatever. I also don't see anything in the Organizer saying what my default was or is. ( I do, however, see in the other area when in any gallery: Customize > Gallery Style > Collage Style (Default ). So I take my default to be Collage Style in New Smug & just pretend that what I see in "Settings" is kinda not there?

Incidentally, I also had only perhaps 10 to 15 galleries set to square thumbs in SmugMug style. One of my concerns was keeping the crops on them, as most of them had many custom crops. So far, those galleries all say "SmugMug Style" & "Square Thumbs" in the Organizer > Settings > Appearance and thankfully, all have kept their custom crops.

Here's the "Gotcha" though, that throws me off a little: The first time the engineers set my site-theme site-wide, the actual appearance of my galleries was a bit randomly mixed. (& I don't know what, if any, default was set) Of the many galleries that were set to site-wide "SmugMug Style", quite a few switched to "Collage Landscape". A few that were set to "SmugMug Style" stayed that way, & if they'd had square thumbs, they were more likely to have kept SmugMug Style (but not all did; some went landscape collage).

However, the 2nd time my site had to be reset (because Publishing had messed it all up again) every single gallery went to "Collage Landscape" style, & I found out in "Customize > Gallery Style" that that was (& still is) the new Default Style. But confusingly, like I said, they all still say "SmugMug Style" in their Settings / Appearance except for the very few that were" Journal" in Legacy. So I've now set those galleries that had SmugMug Style & square thumbs, custom crop, back to that style, & they've all retained those style galleries & their custom crops. And I've set some other galleries to SmugMug style, or gone into Customize to "just this gallery" to set a certain size image & certain margins etc. of Landscape Collage for some galleries. I have not yet changed any specific settings in "All Galleries" for my margins, sizes etc. in any of the gallery styles. So, given all that, should the following assumptions be correct? >

2. If I still want most of my gallery styles to be SmugMug Style (certainly all my archives, which may represent more galleries than any other category) I should probably re-set my "Default" to SmugMug Style in Customize, correct? Then I could do the following??? (I'm asking?!)
a. In a SmugMug-style gallery that has original thumbs and always did (except for that brief time when it went to Collage Landscape default after the 2nd re-set), set specifics for that style (size of thumbs, margins).
b. In the SmugMug style galleries that have square thumbs (now & before), do nothing!
c. In a Collage Landscape Style gallery that hasn't ever been set to "Just this Gallery", set it for "All Galleries", & choose margins & sizes that I want to be my main settings for any galleries I set to Collage Landscape from now on.
d. In a Collage Portrait Style gallery that hasn't been set to "Just this Gallery", do as in "c"-- set it for "All Galleries" & choose margins & sizes that I want to be my main settings for any galleries I set to Portrait Landscapes from now on.
e. In a Journal-style gallery that hasn't been.... etc. etc.
My conclusion would be that doing the above would retain all or almost all the settings for the galleries I've already changed, & switch the greatest number in bulk that's possible, while allowing bulk refinements (like margins) for the various styles. Does this seem correct?

Note: I would estimate, without having counted, that I'll want fewer than half my total galleries to be Collage style (& a few of those would be portrait collage) So more than half my galleries, I'll want SmugMug Style, specifically I'll want all my Archives to be SmugMug Style, but probably 1/2 or more of my Public, Non-Archives to be Collage Landscape Style, & 1/8 to be Collage Portrait. I'm throwing this in because I just learned in the other thread from MrJosh & Allen that CSS is an option for one or more folder-wide switches... given my huge numbers of galleries. But I will be fine just doing it the other way above, without CSS, if you think the above ( #2- a, b., & c, d. & e ) plan makes sense.

leftquark · November 2, 2015

Your "Default" style is whatever is set in the Customizer. You can access it by first going to a gallery, then Customize -> Content and Design -> All Galleries -> Click on the gallery content block area. You'll see screenshots here: http://help.smugmug.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1214935. Yours is currently set to Collage Landscape

Wanting a couple days to think this through and digest is definitely a good plan Anna Lisa! It's fairly straight-forward, but when you're asking to do a lot of atypical advanced Customization, it can certainly get hard to wrap your brain around what you want to do and when. I think for starters, we should clarify a couple terms:

- "Gallery Style" refers to how your gallery photos are laid out in a specific gallery. There are 6 options: SmugMug, Collage Landscape, Collage Portrait, Thumbnail, Journal, and Slideshow.
- "Gallery Theme" refers to what fonts and colors your gallery has.
- "Sitewide Theme" refers to what fonts and colors everything on your site has, unless it's been set by Gallery, Folder, or Homepage Theme
- "Customization" refers to what content blocks (including CSS) you've added to a given page.
- "Entire Site" refers to what customizations (content blocks) you've added to EVERYTHING on your site. Every page, unless you've set your homepage to be an "independent homepage" will have these customizations.
- "All Galleries" refers to the Customizations you've applied to all of your galleries. This is in addition to anything on "Entire Site".
- "Just this Gallery" refers to the Customizations you've applied to this one and only specific gallery. No other galleries will have these customizations. It's also in addition to anything on Entire Site.
- "Gallery Settings" refers to the settings for a specific gallery, which includes things like Security, Appearance, Sharing, etc. Gallery Style can be set here. For SmugMug style, Square Thumbnails is set here, and only here. There is no other place to set SM Style square thumbs.

Regarding the last 2:
When we load a gallery, we'll load it in the following order:
1. Anything on "Entire Site"
2. Anything on "All Galleries" OR anything on "Just this Gallery". We never load both.

Themes:
What Can I Customize
- Fonts
- Colors (font color, primary color, background colors, accent colors, header colors, etc).

Gallery Styles:
What Can I Customize
A limited set of options very specific to how the gallery is displayed. It's also dependent upon which gallery style is applied. For example:
- SmugMug Style lets you choose "Tiny" or "Small" thumbnails. Nothing else.
- Collage Landscape lets you choose what size photos you want, what size spacing you want, what your Info Bar looks like, etc.
- Thumbail lets you choose what size photos youw ant, what size spacing, what aspect ratio, etc.

What does it not control:
- Margin's.
- Additional content above/below the gallery

Is it Impacted by "All Galleries" vs "Just this Gallery"?
Yes! Lets start with All Galleries, because it's the easiest to understand and sets the "Initial Values" for the settings described above. Any time a gallery is set to use "All Galleries" in the Customizer, it'll use the settings defined here. If you start on a gallery, then go into Customize -> Content and Design -> All Galleries, you can set these initially settings for each Gallery Style. For example, you can go into SmugMug style and set your thumbnail size, then you can also go into Collage Landscape and set your tile size, spacing, and info bar settings, then you can go into Thumbnail style and set your thumbnail size and aspect ratio. Changing these settings does NOT change your gallery style. It only changes how the gallery style is displayed, if you later set any gallery to use that style. I typically go in and say "For 99% of my Galleries, when I use SmugMug style I want it to look like this. For Collage Landscape galleries, I want them to look like that. etc".

You can also change the gallery style settings for "Just this Gallery". I only do this when I want the tile size or the info bar to be different from what everything else was using. For example, perhaps I like my Collage Landscape galleries to have XLarge photos, but for a particular wedding with thousands of photos, they're too big. I might go into the Wedding, set it to "Just this Gallery", and then shrink the photo size for just this Weddings gallery, to say "Medium". I have all the same options as above, but it'll only impact this gallery. I still also have to set this gallery to use Collage Landscape. If it was defaulted to SmugMug style, changing the settings for Collage Landscape wouldn't do anything until I go into the Gallery and set it to Collage Landscape.

Customization (All Galleries and Just this Gallery):
What Can I Customize:
- Add content blocks above / below.
- Change margins.

What Can't I Do:
- Change photo size
- Change spacing
- Change info bar

The only time you should be coming here is if you want to apply CSS or if you want to add content blocks above/below the gallery or if you want to adjust margins. Lastly, you may come here if you want to change a Gallery's photo size, spacing between photos, or info bar. Otherwise, don't make a gallery "Just this Gallery."

Gallery Settings:
What Can I Customize:
- For SM style, Square Thumbnails can be turned on here.

To do it in bulk for 1 specific folder, Go into the Organize, select all the galleries, click Settings, and change the Gallery Style (Appearance) or Square Thumbnails ON/OFF.

My recommendations to you:
My recommendation to you is to go into a gallery, then go into the Customizer and configure how you want your initial Styles to look. Then all you need to do is set a gallery to a specific style, and it'll inherit those settings. The only time you'll want to "Just this Gallery" is if you want to change the photo size of the gallery, or turn on/off the info bar. Otherwise, everything is controlled in the gallery settings[/b] (Gallery Style, Square Thumbs, etc).

For the record, we reset your Themes once (colors and fonts), and then reset your Gallery Style once (and set the default to Collage Landscape). In Legacy SmugMug there was no concept of "Default" style. Pretend we assign a number to each gallery style (1 through 6). In Legacy SM, each gallery was assigned 1 number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6. In New SmugMug we added the concept of a "Default", which is gallery style 0 (zero). Whenever you change your Default Style in New SmugMug, any gallery with a 0, is displayed in that default. Any style that has been set to something else, remains in the something else. On Old SmugMug none of your galleries were 0. When we reset them, we set everything to 0, so you could take advantage of the Default.

Default gallery is also used the first time you create a gallery, we use the "default".

Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Allen · November 2, 2015

As Arron said.
"To do it in bulk for 1 specific folder, Go into the Organize, select all the galleries, click Settings, and
change the Gallery Style (Appearance) or Square Thumbnails ON/OFF."

For your Archives go into Organizer and assuming all your Archive galleries are in separate folders.
Click/highlight an archive folder on left tree. In right window pick "select all" at top to highlight all galleries.
Click Settings at top left.
Go to Appearance tab
Click box in front of Gallery Style so it shows a check mark
Click box on right and in drop select Smugmug
Click Save at the bottom
Now all the galleries in that folder will be set Smugmug style.
Repeat for all your archive folders

WinsomeWorks · November 2, 2015

OK, Wow, as soon as I think I've got it all... I've got another think coming! I actually did already get lots of this, but I see I missed a few key points such as the fact that you don't need to be in any certain style of gallery in order to choose all the different detailed settings that are possible in that style, like size of photos. (I see now that it doesn't matter if I'm in a SmugMug style gallery or a Collage, etc.) Ok, that helps! One part that isn't making sense to me is the below part. The "What I Can't Do" part is contradicting what's said in the sentence just below that, isn't it? "The only time you should be..." etc. Shouldn't that heading say "What I Can Do"?? One random note about my earlier post is that I think I used the term "margins" sometimes actually meaning "spaces between photos", & I do understand the difference, & where each needs to be set if I'm wanting to change it. I just used the wrong terms.

leftquark wrote: »

Your "Default" style is whatever is set in the Customizer....

Customization (All Galleries and Just this Gallery):
What Can I Customize:
- Add content blocks above / below.
- Change margins.

What Can't I Do:
- Change photo size
- Change spacing
- Change info bar

The only time you should be coming here is if you want to apply CSS or if you want to add content blocks above/below the gallery or if you want to adjust margins. Lastly, you may come here if you want to change a Gallery's photo size, spacing between photos, or info bar. Otherwise, don't make a gallery "Just this Gallery."
...
....Let me know if I can be of any further help.

WinsomeWorks · November 2, 2015

Theme was actually re-set twice also
I'm not sure where you're seeing this, Aaron, but from what happened & what I was told, my actual theme had to be re-set twice also. Because I had gazillions of themes going in my Legacy site, & it was getting crazy for one of the Heroes to try flipping them all "back" (or forward, I guess) to the new Site-Wide theme (Aurora Copy 1 in my case), the engineers re-set it one day. I didn't publish the site right then, kept working at it. But at that point, the whole site did appear to be Aurora Copy 1 everywhere. However, a couple days later when the site Auto-published (my (Legacy retired for good), lots of folders, galleries & pages flipped back again & were trying to look like some of my old Legacy styles. So engineers went in again & re-set the theme once more, as well as the default style.

After that, everything kept "Aurora Copy 1 theme", & the default style went to Collage Landscape. If I had set it myself, I'd have set it to SmugMug Style, but now I do see that doesn't matter much, because it looks like it'll be easy to change (as per your & Allen's instructions) for whole folders. But to further clarify all that, what I'm hearing is that those old "Appearance" settings I see in all my galleries (such as "SmugMug Style' or "Journal") which have hung on from legacy don't really have any bearing whatsoever on my Default or on anything I may choose to change in "Customize > All Galleries", right?

(With one caveat being this): Fortunately those Legacy Appearance (detailed) settings which I did on a one-by-one basis when creating a gallery, such as square thumbs, are going to hang in there (which is what I want), right? My only question about that is, will these old galleries created in Legacy continue to say "SmugMug Style" in the Organizer > Settings >Appearance" dialog, basically no matter what I do elsewhere? What if I've got an old gallery, set to whatever style, & I go & change something else in "Settings >" (such as > Privacy) & I hit "Save" (so far, I've not "saved", I've always backed out) Now, is that style setting in there gonna stay the same, or will it change to fit a default that I've set in the New site? (For instance, if I'd set an "All Galleries" choice now for SmugMug Style, it will be large, not tiny, thumbs, and original ratio). But then later, even if I hit "save" on the "Organizer>Settings" box for something like Privacy (which is all in the same "Settings" box), I want it to keep those old square thumbs in all those old Legacy galleries. Gosh, this is so hard to explain.

leftquark wrote: »

Your "Default" style is whatever is ....
... For the record, we reset your Themes once (colors and fonts), and then reset your Gallery Style once (and set the default to Collage Landscape). In Legacy SmugMug there was no concept of "Default" style. Pretend we assign a number to each gallery style (1 through 6). In Legacy SM, each gallery was assigned 1 number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6. In New SmugMug we added the concept of a "Default", which is gallery style 0 (zero). Whenever you change your Default Style in New SmugMug, any gallery with a 0, is displayed in that default. Any style that has been set to something else, remains in the something else. On Old SmugMug none of your galleries were 0. When we reset them, we set everything to 0, so you could take advantage of the Default.

Default gallery is also used the first time you create a gallery, we use the "default"... .

leftquark · November 3, 2015

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

One part that isn't making sense to me is the below part. The "What I Can't Do" part is contradicting what's said in the sentence just below that, isn't it? "The only time you should be..." etc. Shouldn't that heading say "What I Can Do"??

Gah, I definitely added some confusion there. You are correct, when Customizing, you can actually do those things. I was trying to differentiate the difference between Customizing (adding content blocks, moving content blocks, and changing their margins) from Gallery Style Settings (space between photos, photo size, etc). Both are accessed in the Customizer but I tried to break them out. In doing so, I only confused you more, so my apologies. Sounds like you got the gist though, since you comprehended enough to call me out on my confusing statement! Well done

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

I'm not sure where you're seeing this, Aaron, but from what happened & what I was told, my actual theme had to be re-set twice also. However, a couple days later when the site Auto-published (my (Legacy retired for good), lots of folders, galleries & pages flipped back again & were trying to look like some of my old Legacy styles. So engineers went in again & re-set the theme once more, as well as the default style.

Yes, thank you for jogging my memory. We actually performed 3 actions for you: reset your themes twice, and reset your galleries styles to "Default" once. I'm a little confused on the Gallery Style reset. It was supposed to make everything use your "Default" (which is now set to Collage). Anything you had previously manually set should have been erased and set to the default. It was the only way we could make it so Old SmugMuggers could take advantage of the new "Default" option. Could you send me (either link below or send me a Private Message) with a few links to galleries that weren't reset?

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

My only question about that is, will these old galleries created in Legacy continue to say "SmugMug Style" in the Organizer > Settings >Appearance" dialog, basically no matter what I do elsewhere?

It should always update to show you the style that has been selected. If you find you choose something else (like Collage Landscape) but it still shows "SmugMug", please let me know, as that would be a mean little bug!

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

What if I've got an old gallery, set to whatever style, & I go & change something else in "Settings >" (such as > Privacy) & I hit "Save" (so far, I've not "saved", I've always backed out) Now, is that style setting in there gonna stay the same, or will it change to fit a default that I've set in the New site? (For instance, if I'd set an "All Galleries" choice now for SmugMug Style, it will be large, not tiny, thumbs, and original ratio). But then later, even if I hit "save" on the "Organizer>Settings" box for something like Privacy (which is all in the same "Settings" box), I want it to keep those old square thumbs in all those old Legacy galleries. Gosh, this is so hard to explain.

We should never be changing settings unless you specifically change it in the gallery settings. Feel free to change one setting without fear of it changing other ones. If something was set to "Square Thumbnails" and you change the "Sharing" to OFF, for example, Square thumbnails will remain as it was.

Lastly, "Square Thumbnails" only applies to SmugMug style galleries. It's a bit confusing, since "Thumbnail" style could display Square images or it could not (depending upon what "Aspect Ratio" you've set for it).

WinsomeWorks · November 3, 2015

Wacky behavior in 2 different (identical) "Settings" Dialog Boxes in same gallery
Umm, heehee, are you ready for some fun?! But first of all, as to the below stuff... 1. No problem; I was pretty darned sure it was just a slip of the tongue/mind. I'd just been doing those things in Customize. 2. Gimme a min.. yes, there's some wackiness going on in the "Settings" panels. 3. Yes, I do know about Sq. thumbs only being for Smug Style.

So... about the middle thing--- (breathe & get a snack first!) Wow, I uncovered some real weirdness that's surely been one reason why there's been so much communication confusion, & also muddles in my own head about Styles settings. I'd just do screenshots, but that would involve digging up more posts on the how-to. I'll be as concise as possible. So, as I've said, after engineers set my entire site to Default to Collage (Landscape), or at least when that was done after Publishing, I'm pretty sure every single gallery in its literal appearance (that I looked at) appeared to have indeed re-set to Collage (Landscape). And if I went into that top left bar that we've all got, to "Customize > Gallery Style >" each gallery showed Collage Landscape (Default) darkened, since that was my new default. Perfect.

Yup, all's good there. Any galleries I changed individually, such as those I set back to SmugMug style, now show "SmugMug Style" or whatever I set them to, in that same "Customize > Gallery Style >" dialog. Ok, still all good. I now go to that same top left bar except choose "Customize > Gallery Settings" (which is not where I was previously going for Settings... I'll get to that!) But all is still good there-- in "Appearance" in that particular dialog, the gallery still shows Collage Landscape (default) as the selected one, unless I've actually individually changed the Style. In this gallery, http://www.winsomeworks.com/Arts-and-Crafts/Streets-and-Signs/Yarn-Bombing/ for instance, I've not changed the default Style, so in that particular box it correctly says Collage Landscape (default) Ok, good.However, (here's the wackiness): Stay in that gallery, but on that top left bar, but go to Organize, instead of Customize. Then in Organizer hit the >"Settings" button. I get the seemingly identical (I think) Settings dialog box. (This is how I was always getting to "Settings" because hadn't yet realized I could get to the same thing thru "Customize") Now, I look in "> Appearance" and wow, this very same gallery, under >"Style" still says "SmugMug"!! Huh?

Yup, virtually all my galleries still say "SmugMug" as their style in that other, nearly identical, Settings Dialog that you get to thru the Organize button! (all that I've checked). The only ones that I've found to say "Journal" are the ones that I'd already set at Journal back in my Legacy site. They've said this all along, (even though they too were defaulted to Collage along with the rest, then I individually set them back to Journal. So now, as far as I see, they're the only ones that say "Journal" or anything other than "SmugMug" in that particular Settings dialog. Their Style Settings match everywhere; I mean every dialog box in those couple galleries that I've swapped back matches to say "Journal". So that part's goood, but...Strange, huh?

Idk if this is just me, or if a lot of Legacy people would see that other mis-match. I'm going to edit this in a minute with a report on what happens in Settings in galleries that were SmugMug Style in my Legacy site, then defaulted (at least visually) to Collage (Landscape), then I switched them back to SmugMug Style. There are quite a few like that; I'll find one & post. Oh, and no, to the other question you may be about to ask, I have not combed through both seemingly identical Settings dialog boxes yet to see if there are any other Settings that don't agree with eachother. Sorry to bring you another barrel of monkeys, but at least it explains some of the communication difficulties!

[ETA: Yes, as I thought, a gallery such as this one: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Portfolio/Fall-Leaves-Portfolio/ is fine & normal in all of its Settings dialog boxes. It had been SmugMug style in Legacy. Then defaulted to "Collage (Landscape)", then I individually set it back to "SmugMug Style". It says "SmugMug" everywhere I look. So it's "only" the hundreds of galleries that were SmugMug & now Collage default that have the mis-match in Settings. I have no idea what will happen if I set the whole site back to SmugMug Style as the default. I suppose they'll act fine, like that one I just linked? But if, after that, I then change a whole folder to Collage Landscape, Idk what its settings will show. Also, I don't know that those Settings mis-matches matter much to me in reality, but I know it could make for some real confusion down the line, or possibly some odd unexplained behavior. If something is done to fix it, that's fine... all I really can't "get back" are my custom square crops, so hoping it won't mess w/ them.]

leftquark wrote: »

Gah, I definitely added some confusion there. You are correct, when Customizing, you can actually do those things. I was trying to differentiate the difference between Customizing ...
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...It should always update to show you the style that has been selected. If you find you choose something else (like Collage Landscape) but it still shows "SmugMug", please let me know, as that would be a mean little bug!...

...Lastly, "Square Thumbnails" only applies to SmugMug style galleries. It's a bit confusing, since "Thumbnail" style could display Square images or it could not (depending upon what "Aspect Ratio" you've set for it).

leftquark · November 3, 2015

To make a long story short: you've uncovered a mean, evil bug! The Organizer is stuck displaying "SmugMug" when it shouldn't be! We're going to work on squashing this! Stay tuned!

WinsomeWorks · November 3, 2015

Wow, a real true stinkbug, eh?!

leftquark wrote: »

To make a long story short: you've uncovered a mean, evil bug! The Organizer is stuck displaying "SmugMug" when it shouldn't be! We're going to work on squashing this! Stay tuned!

As George Takei would say, "Oh MYyyyy!!" you mean I've actually found a real bonafide bug for once? Whew! I didn't think this was just me being crazy, but you never know. So it seems other people's Organizer Settings are doing the same? I thought maybe it was due to how my site had to be kinda manually re-set or whatever.. I have not, btw, checked to see if everything else in those 2 "Settings" boxes agrees. Can't do that right now.

leftquark · November 3, 2015

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

I have not, btw, checked to see if everything else in those 2 "Settings" boxes agrees. Can't do that right now.

I don't want to get too technical with details but in this case it's worth a mention so you can gain confidence in the Organizer's Gallery Settings (which work great, except for this)...

The Organizer is a bit blind on what settings your site design has. The "Default Gallery Style" comes from your Site Design, and because of the Organizer's blindness, it's having trouble knowing what "Default" is. Since all of the other gallery settings don't depend upon the site design, this is the only one that should be impacted.

WinsomeWorks · November 4, 2015

Ok, thanks. This makes sense. I think when you say "your", below, you mean people in general, not just my site, right? So once I've re-read & totally grasp your recent post on exactly which galleries would be affected by which changes (the detailed one with galleries listed as 1, 2,3,4, 5, 6 etc...) I won't throw off anything if I decide to set a new Default Style, or if I set a whole folder back to SmugMug Style or whatever? I'm asking because I don't want to throw a monkey wrench into any testing going on, by making global changes on my site.

Secondly, is there a list somewhere of what you can & can't do from "front" display pages in each Gallery Style? (I mean w/ o going into Lightbox)? Asking because this would help me decide what to make my default since the numbers are kinda "close" as far as my preferences per folder. In other words, today when trying to find some tools etc. in Collage Style, it seemed there were more tools I couldn't find (compared to SmugMug Style) w/o going elsewhere. But I'm still stumbling around a lot & simply can't take in the whole picture, so Idk if I'm just blind to certain tools that are there. A comparison list would help. Also, if there are certain types of arranging, sorting or ordering that can't be done with certain gallery styles..would be great to know.

leftquark wrote: »

I don't want to get too technical with details but in this case it's worth a mention so you can gain confidence in the Organizer's Gallery Settings (which work great, except for this)...

The Organizer is a bit blind on what settings your site design has. The "Default Gallery Style" comes from your Site Design, and because of the Organizer's blindness, it's having trouble knowing what "Default" is. Since all of the other gallery settings don't depend upon the site design, this is the only one that should be impacted.

rainforest1155 · November 4, 2015

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Ok, thanks. This makes sense. I think when you say "your", below, you mean people in general, not just my site, right?

Secondly, is there a list somewhere of what you can & can't do from "front" display pages in each Gallery Style? (I mean w/ o going into Lightbox)?

1. This isn't specific to your site, so you may make any changes you want on your site.

2. There's not a list, but the differences are pretty easy to explain. Collage and Thumbnails style require the use of lightbox for all the tools that are available below a photo in SmugMug and Journal style with two exceptions.
The exceptions are the buy and download button. Those are also available in Collage and Thumbnails style. If you don't see them, you may have to hold your mouse over a photo tile for the buttons to show.
Slideshow style offers no photo specific tools.

If you're missing a specific tool in a certain style, could you include a link to the gallery and let us know which tool you're missing?

leftquark · November 4, 2015

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Ok, thanks. This makes sense. I think when you say "your", below, you mean people in general, not just my site, right?

In this case, I meant "your" as in you

You may pick Collage Landscape as your default, while I might pick SmugMug style as my default. It's set in your Site Design (in the Customizer -> All Galleries) so it's part of your design, as you have chosen it. We then pull that in for any gallery whose style is set to "Default". Kind of think of it as "The Gallery is set to use the Default style. OK, whats the default style? Let me look that up. OK, it's Collage Landscape. Therefore, this gallery will be displayed in Collage Landscape."

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Secondly, is there a list somewhere of what you can & can't do from "front" display pages in each Gallery Style?

As of today, Thumbnail and Collage styles show the Download and Buy Buttons. SmugMug and Journal show share, tools, info, download, buy.

Since dgrin posts often sit here till the end of time, I'll caveat this by saying that this could change in the future.

WinsomeWorks · November 4, 2015

This is what I was actually asking: Aaron, you said this: "The Organizer is a bit blind on what settings your site design has. The "Default Gallery Style" comes from your Site Design, and because of the Organizer's blindness, it's having trouble knowing what "Default" is." What I meant was, is The Organizer a bit blind on what settings everyone's site design has, or my site design? (due to my re-sets or whatever). I didn't know if other SmugMuggers may be seeing the mis-matched Settings in Customize & Organizer, or if it's my own personal little glitch (or mean bug!) But yes, I also saw that list in "Help" that shows what Gallery Styles are set (but changeable) Defaults for certain Site Designs. Not that that really informs me much, perhaps, because my Site Design has a custom name. I thought it was based on SmugMug though, since I called it SmugMug Copy 1. Anyway, I know that design has the default of "SmugMug Style", so I'm guessing in my case it's not really anything to pay attention to.

Yes, I know my Default Style now is Collage Landscape, & that, plus what you just re-stated, probably trumps anything else I may learn about Site Design & defaults! What would be fantastic, but probably not available, is a list or number showing how many galleries are set at "Default". Right now I've totally lost track of how many will change if I change the default.

I really miss that info on my folders showing how many galleries in each folder. Even if it weren't showing to my visitors, I sure used it for myself a LOT-- like every time I visited my site.

leftquark wrote: »

In this case, I meant "your" as in yout You may pick Collage Landscape as your default, while I might pick SmugMug style as my default. It's set in your Site Design (in the Customizer -> All Galleries) so it's part of your design, as you have chosen it. We then pull that in for any gallery whose style is set to "Default". Kind of think of it as "The Gallery is set to use the Default style. OK, whats the default style? Let me look that up. OK, it's Collage Landscape. Therefore, this gallery will be displayed in Collage Landscape."

As of today, Thumbnail and Collage styles show the Download and Buy Buttons. SmugMug and Journal show share, tools, info, download, buy.

Since dgrin posts often sit here till the end of time, I'll caveat this by saying that this could change in the future.

leftquark · November 4, 2015

AHA! Now we're on the same page. The Organizer is currently being blind on everyone's site. We've re-created the issue you're having on multiple sites, which always makes it easier to fix

Though, I'll also say that the issue of being blind may not be as quick of a fix as I'd like in this case. We're working on it and I'll let you know when we've tackled it.

zbreeze · November 5, 2015

Beautiful pictures Anna.

But, on smugmug issues, I see your site has one of my rants illustrated: In a number of galleries/customizations (and I don't really understand which), the screen displays images and then moves things around. As examples, text can appear and then disappear; text can appear and then be pushed around on the screen; galleries can appear and then be pushed down.

Here's an example at your site:

http://www.winsomeworks.com/Arts-and-Crafts/Streets-and-Signs

Then, when I click on the first gallery, "old mosaic signs", when the gallery opens, a search dialog appears at the top of the window. It then disappears (or moves somewhere else) and text "Always on the lookout for signs with character!" appears at the top of the window.

I think this is bug results from the order in which screen items are drawn, and then placed on the window (so, the search box appears first -- and then is pushed down as the galleries and other items load).

It makes for an unpleasant glitch in the experience of sites.

(And, I'm not blaming winsomeworks -- its a glitch in the smugmug design, that the site displays).

(Oh, and the effect is worse when smugmug is running slower, or internet connections are slow).

WinsomeWorks · November 5, 2015

Thanks so much, zbreeze-- I think you're referring to my gallery "Signs of the Times", & I know what you mean...however, I don't think that's a search box you're seeing. What I see loading first in my galleries is the "Comments" Box. I was recently told (By Aaron, I think) how galleries, folders & pages load... I think one of them does indeed load from the bottom up. At first glance, that may seem odd. I too notice some of the loading seems unusual around here. But believe it or not, in the case of my galleries, I don't especially mind that a "Comments box" may load first, because frankly, most people will never know it's there otherwise. (However, it looks like mine should actually say "Comments" if even you don't recognize it as such!)

One of my peeves is that in New SmugMug, the Comments Boxes are on the right side, where everything else is, placing them well below the fold & way below the captions, which are already way below the photo number. IMO, comments should've stayed where they were, under the thumbs (in SmugMug Style, which this particular gallery is not) because then the screen wouldn't be so wildly unbalanced (heavy on the right) And yes, I realize that due to what I just said, you may be wondering why my Comments Box isn't on the right but instead goes all the way across! Well, I don't even know if Collage Style galleries are supposed to have Comments Boxes. But I've recently discovered that in SmugMug Style galleries, I've got two comments boxes! One set is on the right, & totally empty whether or not I had comments in that gallery on my Legacy site. One set goes all the way across the bottom, & is probably the set that "came over" from Legacy, because I especially asked that my comments be preserved. I haven't tackled this issue yet. If I had my druthers, I'd be so thrilled if the old comments box (with my preserved comments) could be placed at left (or remain as is, all the way across) & the new one on right in SmugMug Style galleries could be gotten rid of. --Anna Lisa

zbreeze wrote: »

Beautiful pictures Anna. (Anna Lisa)
But, on smugmug issues, I see your site has one of my rants illustrated: In a number of galleries/customizations (and I don't really understand which), the screen displays images and then moves things around. As examples, text can appear and then disappear; text can appear and then be pushed around on the screen; galleries can appear and then be pushed down.
Here's an example at your site:
http://www.winsomeworks.com/Arts-and-Crafts/Streets-and-Signs
Then, when I click on the first gallery, "old mosaic signs", when the gallery opens, a search dialog appears at the top of the window. It then disappears (or moves somewhere else) and text "Always on the lookout for signs with character!" appears at the top of the window. .....

leftquark · November 9, 2015

leftquark wrote: »

To make a long story short: you've uncovered a mean, evil bug! The Organizer is stuck displaying "SmugMug" when it shouldn't be! We're going to work on squashing this! Stay tuned!

The bug has now been squashed. The Customize -> Gallery Style, Customize -> Gallery Settings, and Organizer -> Gallery Settings should now properly always be jiving together.

I tested it on your gallery http://www.winsomeworks.com/Arts-and-Crafts/Streets-and-Signs/Yarn-Bombing/ and all looks well!