Differences in 20d models

ivar · January 9, 2006

It's been a while since i have been actively busy with holding a camera, and i miss it. So, time for a camera. I've narrowed it down to a 20d, especially nice now that canon is kind enough to pay 150Euros of it till the end of the month.

Browsing around the internet, i have found different "models". I have already seen international, dutch, german and french models, and i am sure there are plenty more. At first i thought it was just a difference in the languages available for the menus, but some stores offer different models with a price-difference of 100+ Euros. It just seems a little much to me for it to be "just" about the languages.

Does anyone have any ideas of the differences between the models? Is it just a language thing? or is there more to it?

Ivar.

Poindexter · January 9, 2006

I don't know about different models between the countries - I would just assume it is the same but directions come in different languages. You can program the 20D itself for numerous languages.

The only different 20D I know of (aside from IR converted bodies) is the 20Da which is an astronomy model for connection with Telescopes - definitely not something you want to run around with, as it was made to pick up light in space.

hgernhardtjr · January 9, 2006

Is it a "kit" or just the body you are asking about?

There are a couple of different Canon lenses offered in "kits" that make the prices significantly different, as well as packagers who add non-Canon lenses and/or other items to make up a "kit".

Body-wise, unless it is the astronomical model (20Da) there should be no functional differences between "factory-new" bodies and prices should be similar depending on the discounter or store's desire for profits.

ivar · January 9, 2006

hgernhardtjr wrote:

Is it a "kit" or just the body you are asking about?

There are a couple of different Canon lenses offered in "kits" that make the prices significantly different, as well as packagers who add non-Canon lenses and/or other items to make up a "kit".

Body-wise, unless it is the astronomical model (20Da) there should be no functional differences between "factory-new" bodies and prices should be similar depending on the discounter or store's desire for profits.

Good question, as i had forgotten to mention that in my original post. I have looked at the "body-only" models and prices. Since i have a decent lens setup, i don't want to bother with kit-lenses and things.

The 20Da i had not heard of before, but although i like the stars, i don't intend to buy one of those.

I did know that the camera could be programmed for different languages, so that is what threw me of even more. I guess in the end it doesn't make a difference then, as long as i go for either the 'international', 'dutch', or 'US' model, i can't go wrong i guess.

Thanks guys

Ivar

hgernhardtjr · January 9, 2006

ivar wrote:

as long as i go for either the 'international', 'dutch', or 'US' model, i can't go wrong i guess.

Am not sure of European laws/policies regarding warranties ... here in the US, if you purchase a non-US model locally (gray market), you can have an awful time with warranty repairs. You might look into that.

You'll love the 20d!

W.W. Webster · January 9, 2006

ivar wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas of the differences between the models? Is it just a language thing? or is there more to it?Ivar.

As well as warranty issues, the language in which the manual is written may be relevant to you.

DanielB · January 9, 2006

W.W. Webster wrote:

As well as warranty issues, the language in which the manual is written may be relevant to you.

Also in america the XT says "Rebel XT" down in the bottom corner. in the british/european version it says "350D" maybe it is just a small issue like that?

http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/Canon-EOS-Digital-Rebel-XT.jpg 350D

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/REBEL_XT_12_L.JPG XT

hope that kinda sorta helped??

ivar · January 10, 2006

DanielB wrote:

Also in america the XT says "Rebel XT" down in the bottom corner. in the british/european version it says "350D" maybe it is just a small issue like that?

http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/Canon-EOS-Digital-Rebel-XT.jpg 350D

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/REBEL_XT_12_L.JPG XT

hope that kinda sorta helped??

Yes, with the rebel and the xt, there are different names for the cameras. digital Rebel = 300d, Rebel XT = 350d. Even the EOS film cameras have had different names in europe and the americas. I have an EOS 500n, which is the same as a "Rebel G" in the americas, or a "New EOS Kiss" in Japan i believe. As far as i know, there are no differences in names for the 20d.

hgernhardtjr wrote:

Am not sure of European laws/policies regarding warranties ... here in the US, if you purchase a non-US model locally (gray market), you can have an awful time with warranty repairs. You might look into that.

W.W. Webster wrote:

As well as warranty issues, the language in which the manual is written may be relevant to you.

I am quad-langual, so i whichever one i buy, there should be atleast one language in the manual i can read (i hope) If not, i can always get an english version from the net somewhere i am sure.

The only thing you guys got me worried about now is the warranty thing. I have a little baby cybershot (dsc-u20, love that thing btw) which i bring from europe to the US most of the time i am there. One time it broke in the US, and it did take a lot of persuading to get the thing fixed. (but to be fair i did get a new one in the end) But i am guessing that if i buy it at a canon authorized dealer, it should be no problem. I will ask before i buy though.

hgernhardtjr wrote:

You'll love the 20d!

Thanks, i am sure i will

Ivar

gus · January 10, 2006

hgernhardtjr wrote:

Body-wise, unless it is the astronomical model (20Da) .

Thats the only one i know of also.

DanielB · January 10, 2006

ivar wrote:

I am quad-langual, so i whichever one i buy, there should be atleast one language in the manual i can read

Ivar

and i thought i was smart knowing French, English, and a some Spanish.

Art Scott · January 10, 2006

ivar wrote:

The only thing you guys got me worried about now is the warranty thing. I have a little baby cybershot (dsc-u20, love that thing btw) which i bring from europe to the US most of the time i am there. One time it broke in the US, and it did take a lot of persuading to get the thing fixed. (but to be fair i did get a new one in the end) But i am guessing that if i buy it at a canon authorized dealer, it should be no problem. I will ask before i buy though.
Thanks, i am sure i will

Ivar

Ivar..warranties are usually country or area specific...a USA warranty is just that ....more than likely will not be honored in Europe...as I have horror read stories on some expat groups and the poor photog was just laughed out of the Authorized dealers store and told to send it to a relative in the US and have them retun it.:cry

ivar · January 11, 2006

DanielB wrote:

and i thought i was smart knowing French, English, and a some Spanish.

It is "survival of the fittest" i guess, everyone around me speaks dutch, 120miles to the west, everyone speaks english, 50 miles to the east, everyone speaks german, and 50 miles to the south, everyone starts to speak flemish and french. (yeah, my country is tiny

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Art Scott wrote:

Ivar..warranties are usually country or area specific...a USA warranty is just that ....more than likely will not be honored in Europe...as I have horror read stories on some expat groups and the poor photog was just laughed out of the Authorized dealers store and told to send it to a relative in the US and have them retun it.:cry

Okay, but is the country where the warranty is valid dependant on the country where i buy the thing? or the "model"? What if i buy a "US-model" in the Netherlands, i can't imagine that i have to sent it to the US to get it fixed... Allthough, you never know

Ivar

Art Scott · January 11, 2006

ivar wrote:

Okay, but is the country where the warranty is valid dependant on the country where i buy the thing? or the "model"? What if i buy a "US-model" in the Netherlands, i can't imagine that i have to sent it to the US to get it fixed... Allthough, you never know
Ivar

I KNow if I buy a European Model in the US it has no warranty except for factory warranty....so then I have to send to the factory to be repaired at my cost bothways.....So I would only hazzard a guess that if you purchased a US model in Europe you have to send to an authorized repair center in the US......I cannot see a European Repair center doing the repair since they may bit get reimbursed for the time they work on an item from the factory.......That is the reason it has to go to an authorized center in the country of Warrany.:cry

ivar · January 12, 2006

ART SCOTT wrote:

I KNow if I buy a European Model in the US it has no warranty except for factory warranty....so then I have to send to the factory to be repaired at my cost bothways.....So I would only hazzard a guess that if you purchased a US model in Europe you have to send to an authorized repair center in the US......I cannot see a European Repair center doing the repair since they may bit get reimbursed for the time they work on an item from the factory.......That is the reason it has to go to an authorized center in the country of Warrany.:cry

Hehehe, i just thought about it... but i am currently looking for a new job, which might very well be in another country

But i guess i will play it safe and get a "dutch" 20d. I'll sent it too friends or family if i am abroad. Thanks guys, for all your input

Justiceiro · January 12, 2006

ivar wrote:

Okay, but is the country where the warranty is valid dependant on the country where i buy the thing? or the "model"? What if i buy a "US-model" in the Netherlands, i can't imagine that i have to sent it to the US to get it fixed... Allthough, you never know

Ivar

I am afraid that is exactly what it means. There is no actual difference between an "EU" 20d and a "US" 20d, other than different marketing strategies, occupying different price points. My understanding from my Belgian colleagues (who visit us once a year for a meeting in Newark) is that virtually everything camera and lens related is cheaper in the US than it is in the EU. (By the way, a dutch warranty might be valid for the whole union, just a guess). the warranties are how they enforce the marketing strategy. For a lens, it makes sense. Is it worth saving 20 Euro for a dodgy warranty? Not really. The camera body is a little more money, however.

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