Stumped.

BubbaJon · January 14, 2006

Hi folks, my first post so be gentle!
Setting up my pro account and I have this idea of how I would like things to work but can't seem to bang on it hard enough.
I have one gallery where I'd like to put my weddings, under that the albums for the specific weddings. Typically I have a couple of shots for each wedding that I do serious Photoshopping to for a premium price. I need to keep these seperate but part of the overall album, IOW not a seperate album, think "sub-album". Is there a way to make an album inside an album?
Pricing - I don't necessarily want to offer every single print size. I have some shots I'd like to provide up to 8x10 but not allow any larger. Is it possible to customize the print sizes available?
Thanks for any help!
Jon

Andy · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

Hi folks, my first post so be gentle!
Setting up my pro account and I have this idea of how I would like things to work but can't seem to bang on it hard enough.
I have one gallery where I'd like to put my weddings, under that the albums for the specific weddings. Typically I have a couple of shots for each wedding that I do serious Photoshopping to for a premium price. I need to keep these seperate but part of the overall album, IOW not a seperate album, think "sub-album". Is there a way to make an album inside an album?
Pricing - I don't necessarily want to offer every single print size. I have some shots I'd like to provide up to 8x10 but not allow any larger. Is it possible to customize the print sizes available?
Thanks for any help!
Jon

<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/wave.gif" border="0" alt="" > Hi John, welcome to Dgrin!

Album w/in album - can't do it, but you can have a LINK to another album, within the album, say, in the description area. To like you simply put in this code:

(Note - replace the text with yours. Replace my gallery link with yours.)

[code]
<html>
Hi, here are your gorgeous photos. I've worked up a few. To see the rest, <a href="http://williams.smugmug.com/gallery/867701">Click Here</a>.
</html>
[code]

Regarding priciing: yes, you can price only what you want to sell. Then, to see your site as a visitor would, LOGOUT or better yet, have a second browser installed (We love Firefox!) and always stay LOGGED OUT on that second browser.

Our current SmugMug Help Page on pricing:
http://www.smugmug.com/help/print-pricing

A couple articles in my blog of note, also:

http://blogs.smugmug.com/pros/2005/07/19/how-to-block-at-cost-sales/
http://blogs.smugmug.com/pros/2005/07/19/tracking-at-cost-sales/

Follow along here, too - this is not live yet, but we're modifying the pricing page to read as follows:

new SmugMug Help Page wrote:

Pro account users can set their own prices and earn a profit.

Note: When you're logged in, the prices you see in the shopping cart will be SmugMug's base prices, not the prices you set. This enables you to order at cost. To see the prices your visitors will see, just log out!

Tip: View your site from a second browser — logged out. We love Firefox!

Your profit is calculated as 85% of the markup over the base price of the prints.

How to set prices:

While logged in with your main password (not as a guest), choose the Photo Tools pull-down menu below any photo. Select Custom Pro Pricing, the top option.

You can price at three levels. We recommend that you start by pricing at the portfolio level. Portfolio pricing applies to every printable image on your SmugMug site.

You can override portfolio pricing by using gallery and individual image pricing. Gallery pricing overrides portfolio pricing, but not image pricing.

Note: If you are reading this after pricing at the gallery level, no worries: you can add portfolio pricing to catch any holes in your gallery pricing. Your gallery pricing will still override portfolio prices.

Step 1: your portfolio

When you select Pro Pricing, the first page you'll see is for setting prices for a gallery of images — the gallery you were in when you selected “custom pro pricing.”

Click the portfolio link. You’ll see the words "setting prices for your complete portfolio."

Enter a 0 (zero) for any product you do not want your customers to order (you can override this for any gallery or image later). Products with a zero will not be presented to your customers when they purchase prints.

Please do not enter currency symbols, such as dollar signs. It may look like a good idea, but our system will not make any product with a currency symbol available for sale.

Enter the price you wish to charge in any field.

Products with blank fields are available for purchase at SmugMug's default prices and are not tracked or listed in your sales reports.

Note: If you've set portfolio prices and want to sell prints from one of your galleries at smugmug's default prices, we have to apologize for an inconvenience. You'll have to set the prices for that gallery above smugmug's default prices, such as a penny higher.

Step 2: gallery prices

Now that you've set prices for your portfolio, you can ignore gallery (album) pricing. Your portfolio prices are automatically applied to all new galleries you create.

However, if you want certain galleries to have prices that are different from your portfolio prices, follow these steps:

1. Navigate to the gallery whose prices you want to set.

2. Choose the Photo Tools pull-down menu under any image, and click Custom Pro Pricing.

3. Set the prices for this gallery as you did your portfolio prices, above.

Note: Any fields left blank on the gallery pricing page will be available for purchase at your portfolio pricing for those items.

Step 3: image prices

If there is a special image you wish to price differently from the portfolio and gallery pricing that you set above, navigate to that image.

Follow the steps outlined above for gallery prices, making sure you have chosen the image option instead of gallery or portfolio. Prices you set for any image will override your portfolio and gallery prices.

The quick pricing tool

After you set prices for a gallery (not an image or your portfolio), the quick pricing tool makes it a snap to apply those prices to another gallery (or image):

1. Navigate to your new gallery and pick custom pricing from the photo tools pull-down menu.

2. From the quick pricing pull-down menu, choose the gallery whose pricing you want to copy. In the example above, it's the Big Kahuna Half Ironman Triathlon.

3. Click the apply button.

4. Now click the update pricing button on the bottom of the page.

That's all there is to it.

Holler back with any other questions!

All the best,

BubbaJon · January 14, 2006

Andy wrote:

Hi John, welcome to Dgrin!
Album w/in album - can't do it, but you can have a LINK to another album, within the album, say, in the description area. To like you simply put in this code:

So is there a way to make a gallery or album hidden and link to it like this? That would do very nicely. I could put a graphic that looked like a thumbnail and have it link to a hidden album or album hiding in a hidden gallery. I just wouldn't want to have a whole lot of these things cluttering up the top level and it would be more intuitive to have it within the album where it belongs.
Jon

PS: Thanks for the tips on pricing - it wasn't immediately obvious that a 0 would kill that product.

BubbaJon · January 14, 2006

Ratsafratzin diglfrippin pricing! (sorry for the cussing!)
I set my pricing up for the album. The values show in the boxes.
So howcome when I act like a customer I get the SmugMug standard prices?
And of course I just sent the link to the customers!
So now I have to password them out until I get this fixed.
What did I do wrong? I hit apply and then update after verifying they were as I wished them? If I go back they are still there... Grrrrrr.
Jon

Shima · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

I set my pricing up for the album. The values show in the boxes.
So howcome when I act like a customer I get the SmugMug standard prices?
And of course I just sent the link to the customers!
So now I have to password them out until I get this fixed.
What did I do wrong? I hit apply and then update after verifying they were as I wished them? If I go back they are still there... Grrrrrr.
Jon

Try logging out and "pretending to be a customer" and you should get the non-standard prices. This is so you don't charge yourself money I believe. Why would you want to pay more for your own prints after all?

Andy · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

I set my pricing up for the album. The values show in the boxes.
So howcome when I act like a customer I get the SmugMug standard prices?
And of course I just sent the link to the customers!
So now I have to password them out until I get this fixed.
What did I do wrong? I hit apply and then update after verifying they were as I wished them? If I go back they are still there... Grrrrrr.
Jon

As Shima said, log out - better yet - use a 2nd broswer - let me know how you make out..

Andy · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

So is there a way to make a gallery or album hidden and link to it like this? That would do very nicely. I could put a graphic that looked like a thumbnail and have it link to a hidden album or album hiding in a hidden gallery. I just wouldn't want to have a whole lot of these things cluttering up the top level and it would be more intuitive to have it within the album where it belongs.

Yep - make the gallery private. Link in the below, changing where appropriate - in the gallery description.

Hope this helps!

[code]
<html>
Hi, here are your gorgeous photos. I've worked up a few. To see the rest, click on this thumbnail <a href="http://williams.smugmug.com/gallery/867701"><img src="http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/39145635-Ti.jpg"></a>.
</html>
[code]

BubbaJon · January 14, 2006

Andy wrote:

Yep - make the gallery private. Link in the below, changing where appropriate - in the gallery description.
Hope this helps!

Yes, thanks. It worked great. Maybe I'll be able to move it later with the stylesheet.
Jon

Andy · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

Yes, thanks. It worked great. Maybe I'll be able to move it later with the stylesheet.
Jon

Linky? Let's see

BubbaJon · January 14, 2006

Andy wrote:

As Shima said, log out - better yet - use a 2nd broswer - let me know how you make out..

Did both and it still showed the base prices. That must be one determined cookie. I had to flush everything before it relented and treated me like a customer. Ahhh well - long as it's behaving properly now...
Thanks guys,
Jon

Andy · January 14, 2006

BubbaJon wrote:

Did both and it still showed the base prices. That must be one determined cookie. I had to flush everything before it relented and treated me like a customer. Ahhh well - long as it's behaving properly now...
Thanks guys,
Jon

The KEY with the 2nd browser is to NEVER be logged on to your site with it

Stumped.

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