Best way to split up a site?

DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
edited February 4, 2006 in SmugMug Support
Now that I'm starting to get serious with my sports pictures, I really can't have my personal pics on the same website. I don't want potential clients to be able to click on my personal pictures and see me stuffing chocolate in my mouth, or watching a video of me acting like a fool! :rofl

Here are a couple of solutions I came up with, all with extreme downsides.

1. Password protect my personal galleries

Downside: KEYWORDS no longer work! I can't put in "Chris" and see all the pictures I've ever taken of him. He can't put a specialized link in his profile that has all of his pictures across multiple galleries, all in one place. I can't quickly find Tom+Kim to see all the pictures I have ever taken of me and my girlfriend! :(


2. Sharegroups?

Downside: The 349gaeou0920 link for every category really doesn't do it for me. I guess I could make 1 passworded gallery, make it HTML Only and put multiple links up, but that doesn't have the same FEEL as Smugmug (no picture associated with each link), and it has the same problems as #1.


3. Buy another Smugmug account.

Downside: If I want video support I'm looking at ANOTHER $150 a year (8mb limit sucks for power user).


Any feasible ones? If you guys enabled keywords with password protected galleries that would be perfect! Is it hard to check for the cookie for displaying password protected pictures in a keyword page?

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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    Now that I'm starting to get serious with my sports pictures, I really can't have my personal pics on the same website. I don't want potential clients to be able to click on my personal pictures and see me stuffing chocolate in my mouth, or watching a video of me acting like a fool! rolleyes1.gif

    Here are a couple of solutions I came up with, all with extreme downsides.

    1. Password protect my personal galleries

    Downside: KEYWORDS no longer work! I can't put in "Chris" and see all the pictures I've ever taken of him. He can't put a specialized link in his profile that has all of his pictures across multiple galleries, all in one place. I can't quickly find Tom+Kim to see all the pictures I have ever taken of me and my girlfriend! :(


    2. Sharegroups?

    Downside: The 349gaeou0920 link for every category really doesn't do it for me. I guess I could make 1 passworded gallery, make it HTML Only and put multiple links up, but that doesn't have the same FEEL as Smugmug (no picture associated with each link), and it has the same problems as #1.


    3. Buy another Smugmug account.

    Downside: If I want video support I'm looking at ANOTHER $150 a year (8mb limit sucks for power user).


    Any feasible ones? If you guys enabled keywords with password protected galleries that would be perfect! Is it hard to check for the cookie for displaying password protected pictures in a keyword page?

    Hi Dodge,

    This is how I've got my site setup www.moonriverphotography.com

    All my family stuff is in private galleries. And I use sharegroups, and Vanity URLS (search Dgrin for "vanity" you'll find a great post by jfriend).
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Hi Dodge,

    This is how I've got my site setup www.moonriverphotography.com

    All my family stuff is in private galleries. And I use sharegroups, and Vanity URLS (search Dgrin for "vanity" you'll find a great post by jfriend).
    You have it setup almost exactly like I want it! Pretty much I need it so that I can give 1 URL to people interested in Sports photos, and make it so they don't have access to my personal pics. Then I can give another URL (something easy) for my friends/family to be able to access my personal pictures *With Keyword Support*

    Currently, even with vanity URLs, I can give someone a direct link to my sports photos, but I cannot stop them from backing up and accessing my personal photos...it looks like you got around this. When I click on Andy on your site, it just brings me to the same mainpage, not a normal Smugmug main page where ALL of your public galleries can be accessed.

    While it looks like you have what I want, I do not think I can set anything up like this without paying for another domain as you have with moonriverphotography. If I set my site up like yours, I won't even need vanity URLs. I can give clients the sports domain site I buy and everyone else can keep using the normal Smugmug (possible?). Is there a way to setup the new domain I buy so the structure is kept the same as it is now, or will I have to reorganize everything? I currently have it like this...

    Sport -> Meet -> Event

    Track and Field -> Home Meet -> 200 Meters

    Where can I find a step-by-step guide on how to keep both sites seperate, with (or preferably without) a new domain, while keeping keyword support for my personal pictures??

    Thanks!
  • flyingdutchieflyingdutchie Registered Users Posts: 1,286 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Hi Dodge,

    This is how I've got my site setup www.moonriverphotography.com

    All my family stuff is in private galleries. And I use sharegroups, and Vanity URLS (search Dgrin for "vanity" you'll find a great post by jfriend).

    Andy,
    Is it possible to keep the breadcrumbs seperated as well?

    If i would use sharegroups for the "family/friends"-side, the breadcrumbs still will start with "Anton Spaans (Streets of Boston)". So, when they click on this first breadcrumb link, they're suddenly in the "professional"-side.
    I can't grasp the notion of time.

    When I hear the earth will melt into the sun,
    in two billion years,
    all I can think is:
        "Will that be on a Monday?"
    ==========================
    http://www.streetsofboston.com
    http://blog.antonspaans.com
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy,
    Is it possible to keep the breadcrumbs separated as well?

    If i would use sharegroups for the "family/friends"-side, the breadcrumbs still will start with "Anton Spaans (Streets of Boston)". So, when they click on this first breadcrumb link, they're suddenly in the "professional"-side.

    I don't mind if they get to the professional side, my gripe is I lose keywords doing it this way...not to mention it is way too convoluted compared to normal Smugmug browsing (which is great by the way clap.gif)
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy,
    Is it possible to keep the breadcrumbs seperated as well?

    If i would use sharegroups for the "family/friends"-side, the breadcrumbs still will start with "Anton Spaans (Streets of Boston)". So, when they click on this first breadcrumb link, they're suddenly in the "professional"-side.

    And, what's wrong with that? ne_nau.gif
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    I don't mind if they get to the professional side, my gripe is I lose keywords doing it this way...not to mention it is way too convoluted compared to normal Smugmug browsing (which is great by the way clap.gif)

    So then, mutliple accounts would be the answer...for you... give the gift of SmugMug to yourself?
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    And, what's wrong with that? ne_nau.gif

    Aww :( I was hoping Andy was preparing a super-duper 3 page guide for me to follow...

    :cry Stop taking up Andy's time flyingdutchie! lol j/k
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    So then, mutliple accounts would be the answer...for you... give the gift of SmugMug to yourself?

    Do you have multiple accounts for your site? I want to set mine up like yours!
  • flyingdutchieflyingdutchie Registered Users Posts: 1,286 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    And, what's wrong with that? ne_nau.gif

    I don't think anything is wrong with that :D
    But if you really want to keep these two side separated....
    I can't grasp the notion of time.

    When I hear the earth will melt into the sun,
    in two billion years,
    all I can think is:
        "Will that be on a Monday?"
    ==========================
    http://www.streetsofboston.com
    http://blog.antonspaans.com
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    Do you have multiple accounts for your site? I want to set mine up like yours!

    :nah I have one site. www.moonriverphotography.com
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    :nah I have one site. www.moonriverphotography.com

    Currently, even with vanity URLs, I can give someone a direct link to my sports photos, but I cannot stop them from backing up and accessing my personal photos...it looks like you got around this. When I click on Andy on your site, it just brings me to the same mainpage, not a normal Smugmug main page where ALL of your public galleries can be accessed.

    How did you do this?

    Can I have it so my friends can continue using my normal smugmug link, and all of my sports clients can use the new domain name that I buy, that can only access a limited portion of my site (as Moonriverphotography.com does for you)? Without using sharegroups?

    Is there a way to setup the new domain I buy so the structure is kept the same as it is now with 3 teirs?

    Sport -> Meet -> Event

    Track and Field -> Home Meet -> 200 Meters

    If so, where can I find a step-by-step guide on how to keep both sites seperate like this with the new domain name?
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    Currently, even with vanity URLs, I can give someone a direct link to my sports photos, but I cannot stop them from backing up and accessing my personal photos...it looks like you got around this. When I click on Andy on your site, it just brings me to the same mainpage, not a normal Smugmug main page where ALL of your public galleries can be accessed.

    The only thing public on my site is what you see in the link "Galleries"
    Everything else is private, and shared via sharegroups and vanity urls
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    The only thing public on my site is what you see in the link "Galleries"
    Everything else is private, and shared via sharegroups and vanity urls

    I meant to add, I have an extensive family collection.. 2000+ photos over 100 years of family archives, plus all the current stuff. This works, for me.
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    The only thing public on my site is what you see in the link "Galleries"
    Everything else is private, and shared via sharegroups and vanity urls

    But if you DID make a gallery public, it wouldn't be visible anywhere from moonriverphotography.com How did you get rid of the breadcrumb? How did you customize it out?

    I'll just get right to the point. This is what I want to do, can AnyOne tell me if this is possible, keeping in mind the structure

    Track and Field -> Home Meet -> 200

    Lets say I currently have cookie.smugmug.com and I buy www.cookiesarefun.com... In www.cookiesarefun.com I have a link to the Track and Field category. This link will bring me to exactly what I see in cookie.smugmug.com/TrackandField *but without any breadcrumbs* From there I can access all subcategories in Track and Field, but nothing more.

    If I want to I can also add a link for VolleyBall, which will point me to the VolleyBall category, and nothing more...etc

    For my friends, they can continue going to cookie.smugmug.com and nothing is different for them. I can continue using keywords without clients seeing them.

    POSSIBLE?
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    But if you DID make a gallery public, it wouldn't be visible anywhere from moonriverphotography.com How did you get rid of the breadcrumb? How did you customize it out?

    I'll just get right to the point. This is what I want to do, can AnyOne tell me if this is possible, keeping in mind the structure

    Track and Field -> Home Meet -> 200

    Lets say I currently have cookie.smugmug.com and I buy www.cookiesarefun.com... In www.cookiesarefun.com I have a link to the Track and Field category. This link will bring me to exactly what I see in cookie.smugmug.com/TrackandField *but without any breadcrumbs* From there I can access all subcategories in Track and Field, but nothing more.

    If I want to I can also add a link for VolleyBall, which will point me to the VolleyBall category, and nothing more...etc

    For my friends, they can continue going to cookie.smugmug.com and nothing is different for them. I can continue using keywords without clients seeing them.

    POSSIBLE?

    Maybe this thread should be moved to Customization?
  • SamirDSamirD Registered Users Posts: 3,474 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    Maybe this thread should be moved to Customization?
    This is definitely customization at this point. :D

    I believe the answer to your question about the breadcrumbs is yes.

    I haven't messed with sub-categories yet as I am fairly new to SM too, but I don't think there's a breadcrumb in there. And if there is, I'm sure there's a piece of javascript code that can get rid of it.

    I was in a similar situation as you. My main site, Huntsville Car Scene.com is where I want my users to go to. I don't want them to really even know that they're on smugmug. With the tremendous customization ability and assistance from all the wonderful people that helped me on here, I have been able to make this:
    http://newpics.huntsvillecarscene.com/gallery/1147319
    Which is a page they will hit from this:
    http://www.huntsvillecarscene.com/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=641&day=2006-1-22&c=1

    As you can see there is absolutely no breadcrumb whatsoever. But I believe there were ways to keep some of it in there if I wanted. I hope this helps.
    Pictures and Videos of the Huntsville Car Scene: www.huntsvillecarscene.com
    Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2006
    SamirD wrote:
    This is definitely customization at this point. :D

    I believe the answer to your question about the breadcrumbs is yes.

    I haven't messed with sub-categories yet as I am fairly new to SM too, but I don't think there's a breadcrumb in there. And if there is, I'm sure there's a piece of javascript code that can get rid of it.

    I was in a similar situation as you. My main site, Huntsville Car Scene.com is where I want my users to go to. I don't want them to really even know that they're on smugmug. With the tremendous customization ability and assistance from all the wonderful people that helped me on here, I have been able to make this:
    http://newpics.huntsvillecarscene.com/gallery/1147319
    Which is a page they will hit from this:
    http://www.huntsvillecarscene.com/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=641&day=2006-1-22&c=1

    As you can see there is absolutely no breadcrumb whatsoever. But I believe there were ways to keep some of it in there if I wanted. I hope this helps.

    That works well, but if I go to huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com, I get nothing (if thats really your site), know what I mean? Is there any way to have both huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com viewable AND have that gallery of yours without breadcrumbs?
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    That works well, but if I go to huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com, I get nothing (if thats really your site), know what I mean? Is there any way to have both huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com viewable AND have that gallery of yours without breadcrumbs?

    Simpler solution...

    How do I make it so ALL of my public galleries and categories aren't accessible from the main page? Can I make it so just 3-4 specific categories are visible from the main page? Then I can just direct my friends to cookies.smugmug.com/personal_pics and everything will be normal!

    POSSIBLE!?
  • SamirDSamirD Registered Users Posts: 3,474 Major grins
    edited February 2, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    That works well, but if I go to huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com, I get nothing (if thats really your site), know what I mean? Is there any way to have both huntsvillecarscene.smugmug.com viewable AND have that gallery of yours without breadcrumbs?
    I don't keep any galleries public, so that was why you saw nothing. But if I would have set any galleries (albums) public, they would've been there in their respective categories.
    Pictures and Videos of the Huntsville Car Scene: www.huntsvillecarscene.com
    Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
  • SamirDSamirD Registered Users Posts: 3,474 Major grins
    edited February 2, 2006
    DodgeV83 wrote:
    Simpler solution...

    How do I make it so ALL of my public galleries and categories aren't accessible from the main page? Can I make it so just 3-4 specific categories are visible from the main page? Then I can just direct my friends to cookies.smugmug.com/personal_pics and everything will be normal!

    POSSIBLE!?
    This can be easily done using private albums and share groups. I'm not sure about the details on how this is done (I'm new too), but I know it is possible.
    Pictures and Videos of the Huntsville Car Scene: www.huntsvillecarscene.com
    Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
  • DodgeV83DodgeV83 Registered Users Posts: 379 Major grins
    edited February 2, 2006
    SamirD wrote:
    This can be easily done using private albums and share groups. I'm not sure about the details on how this is done (I'm new too), but I know it is possible.

    Not with Keyword support.

    Its been solved in the customization thread right around this post.

    http://dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=240292&postcount=39
  • SamirDSamirD Registered Users Posts: 3,474 Major grins
    edited February 2, 2006
    Excellent. I can see the site pros have helped you too. thumb.gif
    Pictures and Videos of the Huntsville Car Scene: www.huntsvillecarscene.com
    Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
  • SystemSystem Registered Users Posts: 8,186 moderator
    edited February 4, 2006
    Move gallaries to separate acount
    Andy wrote:
    So then, mutliple accounts would be the answer...for you... give the gift of SmugMug to yourself?
    I would like to open a separate account. Is there a way to move gallaries from my current account site to my new site? I love smugmug!!

    Eugene

    http://www.eworley.smugmug.com/
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