Avedon portraits of Perry Smith?

ruttrutt Cave canem!Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
edited February 5, 2007 in Technique
Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

I really want to see the Avedon originals. I googled but found nothing. I have some Avedon books: Portraits, Autobiography, and Observations (co-authored with Truman Capote in 1959.) I dug through and could only find one of these pictures, one of Hickock, some of Capote, but none of Smith.

Does anyone know, are these published somewhere? Do I have to go to a museum to see them? Which museum?

(I suspect they may have been published in Life, but I don't even know how to begin finding that.)
If not now, when?

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  • AnneSuAnneSu Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited March 22, 2006
    hey rutt -
    i just googled for the same photos of perry smith taken by avedon. i am very much interested in his work as i am just writing about avedons portraits for uni.
    finally i got some result: search in google for "avedon perry smith center of creative photography".
    you ll find out that there must be a photo in tucson - university of arizona.
    maybe there even exists a catalogue published by this center.

    hope you ll find out more.
    bye, anne
    rutt wrote:
    Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

    I really want to see the Avedon originals. I googled but found nothing. I have some Avedon books: Portraits, Autobiography, and Observations (co-authored with Truman Capote in 1959.) I dug through and could only find one of these pictures, one of Hickock, some of Capote, but none of Smith.

    Does anyone know, are these published somewhere? Do I have to go to a museum to see them? Which museum?

    (I suspect they may have been published in Life, but I don't even know how to begin finding that.)
  • librarianjenlibrarianjen Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited March 22, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

    I really want to see the Avedon originals. I googled but found nothing. I have some Avedon books: Portraits, Autobiography, and Observations (co-authored with Truman Capote in 1959.) I dug through and could only find one of these pictures, one of Hickock, some of Capote, but none of Smith.

    Does anyone know, are these published somewhere? Do I have to go to a museum to see them? Which museum?

    (I suspect they may have been published in Life, but I don't even know how to begin finding that.)

    How about contacting your local librarian?

    Some of the original Avendon photos of Perry and Hickcock were published in the Jan. 7, 1966 Life article "Horror Spawns a Masterpiece," beginning on page 58. It's an extensive article, with several photos. Your library should have access to it.
  • DoctorItDoctorIt vrooom! Administrators Posts: 11,947 moderator
    edited March 22, 2006
    clap.gif Nice work, Jen! Way to show 'em how it's done!
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  • Lee MasseyLee Massey Major grins Registered Users Posts: 274 Major grins
    edited March 22, 2006
    Nice work Jen...

    Here is a picture of the actual magazine and the details:

    http://pages.tias.com/10697/PictPage/1922621983.html

    Thanks,

    Lee
    Some of the original Avendon photos of Perry and Hickcock were published in the Jan. 7, 1966 Life article "Horror Spawns a Masterpiece," beginning on page 58. It's an extensive article, with several photos. Your library should have access to it.
  • AngeloAngelo Turning frowns upsidedown Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited March 22, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

    I really want to see the Avedon originals. I googled but found nothing. I have some Avedon books: Portraits, Autobiography, and Observations (co-authored with Truman Capote in 1959.) I dug through and could only find one of these pictures, one of Hickock, some of Capote, but none of Smith.

    Does anyone know, are these published somewhere? Do I have to go to a museum to see them? Which museum?

    (I suspect they may have been published in Life, but I don't even know how to begin finding that.)

    try emailing: [email protected]
  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter western IndianaSuper Moderators Posts: 14,542 moderator
    edited March 22, 2006
    Wow!! That was quick. A library - folks still use those?? Imagine that:D:D

    Actually, I was impressed with the speed and variety of all the answers.



    So, John, was the movie worth seeeing?? Or just depressing??

    Stories of families captured and destroyed by psycopathic amateur criminals are not fun to see. There was a simliar case locally here a few years ago.

    I wonder if you aren't depressed by the whole experience of it all.
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  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited March 25, 2006
    Thanks, Jen. Thanks, Lee. I'll follow up.

    PF, this is a fine movie, but not particularly uplifting. It's not the same as the story of the book, In Cold Blood, which is a truly scary and depressing book, though IMHO, a masterpiece.

    The movie is a story about an reporter who allows himself to become too close to his subjects, too personally involved with their story. In the end, this destroys him. I believe this really did happen to Truman Capote. I found it fascinating.

    This film isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and neither is In Cold Blood. But I "dug" them both.

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    If not now, when?
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited March 29, 2006
    i have also search desperetly after these pics by avedon..

    i have only found this one of perry smith:


    http://www.ansoniadesign.com/capote/blood.htm

    ps/ does anybody know where i can find pictures of the "black and white ball" held by capote in the sixties..


    edit: i think that richard avedons pics are much protected and that it would be difficult to find any of these on the internet..allthough he did take these pictures for life magazine among with photos of the trial and the clutters home.
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited April 8, 2006
    bump
  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited April 8, 2006
    I bought a back copy of the Life with the photos. There are a handful of amazing shots, but the reproduction is terrible. Not as bad as it could be, but it definitely shows that my visual memories of Life aren't very accurate. I remember very vivid and true colors, and that is very much not true. The Avedon shots are B&W, of course, so color isn't an issue, but they are very grainy, something I suspect was done by Life and not by Avedon in order to make the whole think look more lurid. Also the blacks aren't very deep.

    It was worth $30 (including s/h) to see these, but there is no mistaking them for original prints or even good art books repros.

    If your local library has these, better to view there than to shell out good money. I don't think the magazines are very collectable.
    If not now, when?
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited May 12, 2006
    bump
  • dizzietizziedizzietizzie Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited May 14, 2006
    some of the perry smith ones seem to be available on google now. (though the quality is poor)

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/122305/perrytrumanbest2.jpg
  • xroperxroper Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited May 15, 2006
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited June 22, 2006
    thank you both very much!iloveyou.gif


    it was worth the wait...
  • karmadhyanakarmadhyana Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited July 1, 2006
    Perry Smith mug shots
    Hey, wanted to let you know about a mug shot I found for Perry Smith on the Wikipedia site--I couldn't find the Avedon shots, either, but at least here's a photo of the real life guy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Smith_(murderer)

    Peace.


    rutt wrote:
    Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

    I really want to see the Avedon originals. I googled but found nothing. I have some Avedon books: Portraits, Autobiography, and Observations (co-authored with Truman Capote in 1959.) I dug through and could only find one of these pictures, one of Hickock, some of Capote, but none of Smith.

    Does anyone know, are these published somewhere? Do I have to go to a museum to see them? Which museum?

    (I suspect they may have been published in Life, but I don't even know how to begin finding that.)
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited July 1, 2006
    wave.gif Hi karma, thanks for posting.

    Linkie no worky, tho.
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  • NeantaeusNeantaeus Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited July 29, 2006
    Try This
    rutt wrote:
    Any photographer who has seen Capote will have been struck by the scene of Richard Avedon taking pictures of Perry Smith, Truman Capote, and Richard Hickock. The pictures in the movie are recreations, so the actors will be recognizable in the shots.

    I really want to see the Avedon originals.


    Just found this http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2005/12/millers_crossin.php

    It isn't great but if it'll give you a taste of a couple of contacts.

    Best.
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited November 30, 2006
    Neantaeus wrote:
    Just found this http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2005/12/millers_crossin.php

    It isn't great but if it'll give you a taste of a couple of contacts.

    Best.

    good stuff!thumb.gif
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited February 5, 2007
    :hung
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited February 5, 2007
    :cry
    chinaski wrote:
    :hung
  • chinaskichinaski Beginner grinner Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited February 5, 2007
    unlike other mugshot`s of perry you clearly see his "indian" blood in these pics..
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