Florida Shoot. Disaster?
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Hey folks. Got back from the Florida shoot with a few gigs of image files. I was working up some and noticed I have a series problem. I have many images that turned "funky" on me.
Not sure what the problem is ? :dunno :scratch I'm leaning towards a new portable hard drive unit I copied my flash card files onto. I have never seen such a "thing" before. Some (lucky not all) of my images turned "funky" on me. Looks like I messed with the saturation and hue in photoshop....but I didn't. I just converted from the Raw file to Jpeg for posting.
I'll need to sit down and type up a detailed post with all informatin in hopes of getting to the bottom of this situation. I wish I knew if this was a camera, portable hard drive or PC/software issue.
I'm worried I've lost some decent shots...unfortunately. I'm hoping something can be done to salvage them...but get the feeling they are lost for good. I also need to figure out what caused this.....and if it's the new portable hard drive unit..RETURN IT. Anyway...Grrrrr this sucks. I'll get the details worked out and get back with the details.
Here are a few of the "funky images" from the shoot. :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
So....any ideas what happened with these shots? Good news is that MOST of the shots I took ..were not damaged. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Not sure what the problem is ? :dunno :scratch I'm leaning towards a new portable hard drive unit I copied my flash card files onto. I have never seen such a "thing" before. Some (lucky not all) of my images turned "funky" on me. Looks like I messed with the saturation and hue in photoshop....but I didn't. I just converted from the Raw file to Jpeg for posting.
I'll need to sit down and type up a detailed post with all informatin in hopes of getting to the bottom of this situation. I wish I knew if this was a camera, portable hard drive or PC/software issue.
I'm worried I've lost some decent shots...unfortunately. I'm hoping something can be done to salvage them...but get the feeling they are lost for good. I also need to figure out what caused this.....and if it's the new portable hard drive unit..RETURN IT. Anyway...Grrrrr this sucks. I'll get the details worked out and get back with the details.
Here are a few of the "funky images" from the shoot. :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
So....any ideas what happened with these shots? Good news is that MOST of the shots I took ..were not damaged. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Do you have any left on your CF? Any that were screwed up in the portable HD? How are they on the CF?
Can you reproduce by shooting some, copying to the portable HD?
Andy is right, if you shot jpeg+raw that would be a clue, especially if both are screwed up in the same way. (If not, you may be able to save the images.)
I'd guess that it would be very unlikely (but not impossible) for your portable HD to screw up these images in just this way consistently. More likely that it would turn them into invalid jpegs or raws or whatever. What is the make of the portable HD?
Seriously though, I don't know what could cause that, but at least in only happened to a few shots
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Some background on the equipment used:
Camera is a Canon 20D (no battery grip or anything else like that <electrical/power source> I shot in RAW....and only RAW. (No additional jpg). I shot in both aperture and shutter priority modes depending on shot. (No program modes/auto used). I did not have any special effects turned on or anything. I had the camera set for "burst" mode and NEVER used single shot mode (I’ve got a delicate trigger finger :-) ).
I used two Sandisk Ultra II 1 gig compact flash cards. They are both a few months old. Both were purchased at different times so I guess there is an "old" card and a fairly "new" card. I have never had an issue with EITHER card. I’ve shot thousands of images with these cards and they have always performed flawlessly. My general routine (before the new HD device) was to come home and view the images with a Sandisk card reader using the Canon EOS Viewer software. I would also save the images/files A) onto my PC hard drive and onto an Iomega 120G external HD. Then I’d burn a couple CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. After this I would DELETE the files from the card while using the Sandisk card reader. I changed my routine in the field for this Florida shoot. (I’ll go into detail later in this text).
I’m using a cheapo Dell Dimensions something or other with Windows XP home addition . It’s been <cough cough> relatively reliable. The usual hang ups/frozen screen and reboot issues so famous of Windblows. I’m running a 2gig (iirc) pentium 4 processor and 750mb ram..and punny 60gig HD.
The NEW PORTABLE HARD DRIVE UNIT is a JOBO GIGA ONE. The unit is a 40gig portable HDD device. I just purchased it a few days ago (for the Florida shoot). I purchased it through Adorama...since they had the best deal on the device. It was pretty cheap considering it’s size, storage amount etc. It runs on it’s internal battery and also has a power adapter. Runs USB 2.0.
I’m hoping this covers the equipment involved that might cause a problem. Oh yeah...one more thing. I’m on Comcast HS cable internet service. I’m running through a cable modem and then a net gear router. I’ve also got Norton/Semantec internet security suite running. These have NEVER caused issues in the past with my images. The thought of a virus did cross my mind after reading some recent virus warnings. Didn’t think they attacked image files..though?
Houston we have a problem. The story with as much information as my fried brain can present. (No beers, hard liquor or recreational drugs were called on YET). :-D Ok... I went to the Florida shoot and was having a great time. I would shoot a 1gig card of shots and put the flash card in the Giga One and copy the files (so I thought ). Then I would use the other compact flash card to continue shooting. I would swap the two cards throughout the shoot. Copy files from one ..while shooting with the other. I’m afraid I don’t remember what shots were taken with what card. There may have been a pattern here.....that might have suggested a corrupt card? I don’t think this is the case for a few reasons.
The images that came out funky had no rhyme or reason. There were some folders that contained all undamaged files. There were some folders that contained a single damaged file and others that had several. There was NO PATTERN to the corruption. Sometimes it would be consecutively..and other times it would be scattered throughout the card/files. Like I mentioned previously....there were also times only a SINGLE file was damaged in the folder (when I refer to folder I’m talking about the folders <I’m assuming ..camera wrote to cards).that are titled like 156 Canon, 157 Canon 158 Canon and so on. So each full shot 1gig compact flash card usually contained 3 of these so titled files. I could NOT see a pattern to the damaged files. I wish I knew if all damaged files occurred on the same card...but I highly doubt this because I kind of remember using the same card to copy to the portable HDD and then using it directly after ...instead of swapping cards. This would have happened at least once at the end of the day. I remember the last card shot was copied....reformated and put back in the camera. This leads me to believe that there probably is no pattern to a single card producing the corrupt files.
<losing train of thought>
Ok.. Let’s see. I should mention that when I arrived home I took the portable hard drive unit with all shoot images and hooked it up to my PC via it’s USB cord. I copied ALL files onto my IOMEGA 120GB external hard drive (PC’s HD is about full). I did NOT burn backup DVDs yet. I then went to look at my images. I opened Canon EOS viewer to view images. The first several images appeared normal and I was getting excited that I had a bunch of "keepers". I thought too soon. I started noticing these "funky images" This was not good I thought. Like I mentioned previously....there were NO PATTERN TO WHERE AND WHEN the images appeared. They were scattered throughout the files. Some files/full 1gig card files DID NOT produce ANY corrupt images. Other files had ONLY A SINGLE corrupt file. While still more had several corrupt files. Some consecutively and others just scattered about.
I did not reformat the last two 1gig compact flash cards I shot. The images were still on the cards. I DID HOWEVER COPY THESE IMAGES TO THE PORTABLE HARD DRIVE DEVICE (HDD from now on if I remember). The RAW files on both cards were viewed in my previous/normal viewing/saving routine. I put the cards in the Sandisk card reader and viewed in EOS viewer. One cared HAD NO CORRUPT FILES. The other card had a single corrupt file. This corrupt file just happened to be the first shot in the file (as many others also had..but no true
pattern.).I had opened this corrupt image in photoshop CS2 with ACR. I saved the "funky file" for posting here. The flash card’s corrupt file looked the same as the image I save. The weird thing kicks in now. When I opened the file and was proceeding to convert from RAW. This image FIRST APPEARED corrupt ....just like the HDD image. WITHIN A COUPLE SECONDS THIS IMAGE CHANGED APPEARANCE. Yes..it went from the funky file look to NORMAL. (Please see the images of flying wood stork below). I was really confused at this point. I went back and pulled up some of the corrupt files off of the external HDD and my Portable HDD . I waited a while before converting these RAW images in hopes that they would automatically correct themselves ...like I just witnessed with the stork image. No such luck. These corrupt images remained "funky" as before.
Along with the "funky looking " images that I viewed in EOS viewer, I noticed some completely black thumbnail images. I tried to open one of these and the computer just hung up. It never opened. It also froze up my photoshop session and I had to shut down the computer. I also had some strange things happen when trying to open other corrupt files or when working on some to resize in photoshop.
One time I received a "notice window" that popped up while trying to open an image file in PSCS2. The message read:
could not completer your request because the file format module cannot parse the file.
O.K....what the heck was this now? Not sure what this was about....as it never appeared again, despite opening up more corrupt files. I also once had the dreaded "blue screen" appear with text. It was shutting down windows to protect it? This was the message:
KERNEL_STACK_IN PAGE_ERROR.
I’m not much of a technocomputer geek and have no clue what this was about. At this point I started wondering about a virus or issues with my computer or software (compatibility/drivers etc). I still suspected the new hard drive, but was now also questioning other things like PC, software and camera & flash cards. I will shoot some more images today and convert the "old usually way" that I did prior to the new HDD and problems. The only common thread of all this is that the compact flash cards ALL came in contact with the new HDD and were COPIED onto it. I’m going to try and rule out the camera and flash cards today and I’ll report back if I have the same issues. I kind of feel like I won’t since I’ve shot and transferred images just before I left for the shoot and had no issues. I also used the new HDD BEFORE I left for the shoot to make sure it was working correctly and to get familiar with it. I thought it was working correctly as I did get the images saved and transferred without issue. I also worked these images up in PSCS 2 and things seemed fine. I was excited to have the backup unit for the shoot and it seemed to work nicely. It wasn’t super fast..but it was compact and easy to operate.
I feel like I’m rambling and lost track of where I was going. So to recap. I shot all images in RAW using the same two compact flash cards for the whole shoot. Some files were corrupt and some WERE NOT. No pattern to the corrupted files. I he corruption appeared in the RAW files while viewing in Canon EOS viewer PRIOR to conversion to Jpeg. The converted files also showed the corruption. I’m pretty lost at this point. I’m wondering if the Giga One is the problem...as it’s the only consistent link among all the files. Well..that and the camera and flash cards. I think if the camera was the problem I would have been getting error signs and wouldn’t have gotten any shots? If the cards were defective I think I might not have had any saved images or some sort of pattern to the same corresponding frame/images being corrupt in ALL files. They were not. Very random to when and where the corruption took place.
Thanks again for looking and reading through this long mess of rambling nonsense.
Regards,
Mike
Here is the sole image that appeared "funky" on the EOS viewer...and originally in ACR and then corrected itself automatically ? Not sure why? Hope there is some way to save the other images ?
The originally posted stork images were consecutive images in the same file. Here are a couple random files that got "funky". <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/headscratch.gif" border="0" alt="" > Different days and files on these.
Figures they would be the "eagle" shots. :cry Not that I was really close enough for a decent capture. <needing longer glass>
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Thanks for looking, Andy. YES..all files shot in RAW. Corruption noticed on the RAW originals....both on the portable hard drive device..and flash card.
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This could very well be...but I could not find a pattern to the corruption. It seems to happen on either or both cards at different tmes, but not all the time. The corrupted images sometimes appeared consecutively and other times randomly in their appearance. Some times there were NO CORRUPT images on the files..and once in a while there was only a single corrupt images. Did have on folder with a good long (approx. 5-8 images in a row) run of corrupt images. I have not ruled this out...but I would have thought that the corruption would have been more unified / consistent. ? I'm planning on shooting some images today to test out my theories.
Thanks.
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No pattern at all. Very random corruption. Sometimes there were no corrupt images on a card. No relationship to days I shot..either.
Yes..I have two flash cards I didn't erase (but DID transfer to portable HDD). One flash card had the matching corrupted files as on the portable HDD.
{quote?Can you reproduce by shooting some, copying to the portable HD?[/quote]
I'm not sure yet. I'm planning on trying to rule out some things today. I'll reshoot some images with the same cards, camera and transfer some to the new HDD and just transfer some to the PC with my usual method.
No jpeg shooting. All images were shot in RAW. yES..RAW files do show the corruptions.
The HDD claimed to save RAW files. These are the only type I saved onto the unit. There is very little pattern to the corruption ....but the only common source to all....is the camera, flash cards and portable hard drive device. I am pretty sure the camera and cards can be ruled out. I'll try to do that today.
Thanks for looking rutt.
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Hey Steve....I can find out where you live. No funky stuff on my part in photoshop. There would be some humorous or smartass overtones to the funkyness.
Yes..I'm lucky it wasn't ALL the images. Unfortunately it was some of them...and some of my favorites. I guess it's not the end of the world..but it is frusterating. I'd like to figure this out and avoid it in the future.
I was also lucky I didn't fly half way across the world to come ..or shoot something that doesnt live in my backyard. I guess I need to figure out if it's the new hard drive unit..so I can return the thing. If it's something else..I need to fix that also.
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I suppose anything is possible. All shoots were around water. I didn't go swimming with the camera. I also know many others used the same camera and I've not heard of anyone having similar issues? If it was a water problem...would it be varied in it's corruption? Though we shot around water...I was never really any closer than say 15' from it ?
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I ran a virus scan for curiosity's sake. I did come up with a possible problem.
The virus scan detected a single possible threat. It looks to be hard drive related (also spyware) ? I don't remember uploading/downloading anything from the internet lately. I regulary run various spyware programs and my virus scan. Not to mention I'm on a router with firewalls (2).
Item found:
File Name: HD plug in 1019 .dll
Threat Name: adware gain
Action: adware found
Status: at risk
File: c\WINDOWS\down loaded program files\HD plugin 1019.dll
uh ohhhhhhh What's this mean?
Didn't load any software with the new HDD. It's plug 'n' play.
Thanks again folks.
One more thing crossed my mind..and can't remember if I mentioned it. I used both the battery source and adapter for the portable HDD. I can't be sure which files were copied with what method..but most were done with the battery. I do know that some of the corrupted files were from the first day and were also copied with the AC adapter used. Don't know if it could be an electrical thing/power source thing?
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Is there any way that you could post a couple of links to say a good RAW raw file, and then one of the corrupt files that may have been shot right after the good one? I'd like to try opening them up and see what happens on a diff. computer.
Hope you get this figured out!
Oh, and if you don't remember, this is Wendell!
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Thanks for looking. YES...I remember you. Do you remember I was teh 3rd YOUNGEST shooter there? I'm not old like the rest..or forgetful.
I could email you some files...but they are 8.3 megpixel images. (large files). I could reduce size...but not sure this will effect anything for what you are looking for. PM me your email, please (or anyone else that wants a crack at the "original" files. (as copied by the portable hard drive or the flash cards ).
I shouldnt complain. My mom went on a mini vacation also, to visit a lady friend. While there..her friend's husband had a massive heart attack. It puts this situation in perspective. I hope to figure this out. I am lucky though..that I still have a few months of PP the "good" shots.
Cheers
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You should download a card directly from your camera to computer. Don't erase the card. Then download the card to your portable hard disk and look at it there. If you find a corrupt file on the portable disk look at the file from your direct download. If that one is corrupt as well it suggests either the camera or CF card. If it is not, then the problem is likely with your portable drive. If something is intermittent in the CF card, that could confuse the results, so you should repeat the test a number of times to be sure.
Couple other thoughts/observations. It seems all the damaged area of the image is on the bottome half of the frame. Not sure how the camera writes to the card (left to right...right to left..top to bottom etc.). Does this lead to any thoughts?
I was also thinking about the above single wood stork flight shot. The imagee that had two versions. (corrupted and not). It was opened in ACR and while I was looking at it....it changed. Corrected itself so to speak. I'm wondering if this leads to any thoughts? If I let the image stay open in ACR for a good bit of time....wonder if it will eventually correct itself? What about a write issue. Perhaps some sort of difficulty by Adobe's photoshop CSR2 to translate/read the images from the portable hard drive? (wouldn't explain the flash card with corrupted image). I didn't have trouble with my initial copy/trnasfer with the portable HDD. Very random issues ...indeed.
Just for the record...I believe I was using freshly charged (and fully charged) batteries on the camera..and portable HDD. I was swapping out batteries also...Never left a low battery in the camera. The battery charge indicator on the HDD still shows a "full" charge. I only coppied 4 or 5 cards (1gig size).
Thanks again, all.
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As if you didn't have enough permutations to consider already, let me suggest that the cables you use to connect the devices may also be the source of intermittent problems. They frequently are.
Good luck and keep us posted on your experiments.
Cheers,
I can't remember which source I was viewing the image in ACR ..when this mircacle correction took place. I'm thinking it was my "backup " Iomega HD. (not the portable Giga one). (pretty sure of this also)..as I've disconnected the portable Giga One from the machine...and have been working up images from the Iomega back up HDD.
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Do not erase your cards...
Do you have a friend with a computer? Try copying the images from your card to their machine. Leave the images on the card also.
See if that makes any difference. Try to use a different card reader/fresh software.
If that doesn't work -- any friends with the same camera? Put the cards in their cam and offload (leaving copy on cards). See if that works.
If all fails, it looks like it might be the cards then. Or your camera... try a different card in your camera and see if you have the same problem. That would let you know if it's the camera and not the cards.
I used to see this problem with my Mavica using floppies. I surmised it was a read error...
If after you salvage your photos (also try a recovery program -- there should be a demo download on the internet) to see if that helps, I'd try reformatting the cards and see if that solves the problem.
I hope you manage to save your photos.
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Unfortunately the two cards I didn't reformat/delete ..only have a single corrupted image on them. The majority of the currupted images came from previous card captures...and had been copied to the portable HDD..and then the cards WERE REFORMATED AFTER EACH TIME/transfer.
I don't know too many folks with a computer down here. . Old folks and all. The friends I do have live out of town...and I won't see them for days..most likely. I don't know anyone locally that owns the same camera. I might be able to hit the local photog store ?
Lots of stuff to test out.and I'll keep this situation...updated.
Thanks again to everyone.
(side note) the portable HDD also doubles as a multi card reader...so I suppose "technicallY" I've received corrupted images using two different readers ? I'll see what I can come up with for alternative testing of your theory.
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Hello folks. I think I've figured out what caused the "funky" images. I believe IT IS THE NEW PORTABLE HARD DRIVE. I ran a few tests yesterday and this morning. I shot some photos trying to recreate the shooting conditions as closely as possible to match those of the "Florida Shoot". I did not get to using the original Sandisk Card with the damaged files on it....as I was saving that to run a few more tests with the images.
I did however shoot with a different flash card than I used at the "Florida shoot". I went out in the yard and snapped some bird shots (imagine that). I used my "usual" techniques for shooting and after filling a Viking 256mb card (yeah....don't ask) I went in and put the card in the Sandisk card reader and loaded the images to my PC's HD and my external IOMEGA HDD. I again viewed the images in Canon's EOS viewer software. ALL IMAGES LOOKED FINE/NORMAL. I even opened some in photoshop CS 2 and played with them. No problems.
I then copied these images that had no signs of corruption onto the new GIGA ONE portable hard drive. I then opened the images in EOS viewer...and wham bammmmm. THERE WERE THE CURRUPTED FUNKY FILES. This time I had plenty of the wildly colored images. Most of the shots went "funky" on me. Roughly 75% of the shots were corrupted. I'm thinking the unit is faulty perhaps or there is some setting that needs to be changed for US use? I didn't see any such information in the owners manual. It's a pretty simple device. You plug your compact flash card directly into the GIGA ONE and then turn the maching "on". Then you press the "copy" button and watch the files load. THat's it.
I will still run some additional tests to double check my hypothesis and to rule out those Sandisk cards as defective. Man...this sucks. Guess I better find that receipt. I'm still very curious as to why only some images became corrupt..and other didn't. Why did some full cards of images not show any corruption and others showed varying amounts of corrupted files. Figures some of the corrupted ones were shots I liked. Why couldn't they have been the "ugly" shots?
I'd also like to thank everyone that lent a helping hand.
Cheers
Mike
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Glad you figured it out, and it wasn't your camera or CF cards.
What a bummer though! It's probably a sporadic error or problem, but not sporadic enough to reproduce -- that's the important thing.
I've heard more than one person compain about similar devices so it's worth it to check them out carefully before taking really important photos.
Sorry it had to happen though.
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I'm now wondering what type of device I should get to replace this unit. I liked it. It was very small and simple to use. Nice fancy aluminum case and all. Nice looking unit. Too bad it didn't do what it was suppose to. I don't think I'll take a chance with a replacement. I think I"ll get a unit with a monitor screen this time.
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I've also found someone else on another forum who's had the same problem - http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FbkI&tag=
I've now decided to write to Jobo and advise them that they have a faulty batch of these devices and that they should withdraw them from sale.
Sorry to hear that. It's very frustrating losing images like this. I really liked the unit (size, built quality, ease of use etc). After this experience I doubt I'd ever give them a second chance for my business (or my photos). I'm not sure what I'm going to do in the future. For a stop gap I purchased a couple 2gig Sandisk Extreme III cards (under $100 at the time). I still want some 40-80gig portable storage device, but am not sure which one I'll try next. I'll probably pay the extra to get a monitor screen so I can see if the images are "there" before whipping the flash card clean.
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Mike,
I bought the Hyperdrive (http://hyperdrive.com/shop/index.php) at Christmas time and have been very happy with it. It's a lot cheaper (<$200 for 40GB) than the models without screens, can get up to 100GB of memory.
Disadvantage is the lack of the screen for preview, but I haven't regretted my decision so far.
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Thanks Steve, I saw the previous post on these "toys" and your comments on this model. I did look into this PHDD, but the Giga One seemed to have pretty much the same features, but a tad bit slower and it was less money <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/umph.gif" border="0" alt="" > I think I'll spend the extra next time and get a model with the monitor and maybe even more memory. I usually am not without a computer, but don't have a lap top as of yet. Well....I don't have one worth carrying around. I've got as much memory with my CFCards. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/eek7.gif" border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif" border="0" alt="" >
I was pretty pissed off about losing all the images from the Florida shoot. Then again...I've still not finished processing 25% of the shots I DO HAVE. I think this might take until next years shoot to complete. I have several dozen egret shots I should work up for "egret fest". How 'bout I send you a few hundred and you can work them up..eh?
Cheers
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