Your thoughts on Critique Style & Loupe?

Andy

Hi everyone,

Last week we added a new viewing style, "critique" - which adds a couple new features: exif on the page, and a loupe tool, to get a closer look at the photos.

http://www.smugmug.com/help/smugloupe

Here's a gallery with some high res originals in it, just in case...
http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/1210943

And some lower-weight files here:
http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/734406

Here was one post from jfriend that I saw:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=250279#post250279

Anyone tried it? Like it? Love it? Hate it?

:ear

dmc

Critique view to replace "single image view"
I like the exif data already displayed, I like the Loupe. It would be cool if the loupe worked using the Original as the source even if the originals were turned off.

I normally limit my galleries to the Journal Style. When a user clicks on a photo, they get the "single image view" (I don't know what to call it).... It would be great if they got the Critique view instead so they could see the exif (without clicking on the link), and they can view the pic with the loupe, etc. Does "single image view" have anything that Critique view doesn't?

Andy

dmc wrote:

I like the exif data already displayed, I like the Loupe. It would be cool if the loupe worked using the Original as the source even if the originals were turned off.

Ahh there's the rub though. You're a "cake and eat it too, type of guy, eh?

winnjewett

Have a look at this photo:
http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/1210943/1/56645070/Original
Since the original is cropped to a small width, and the scroll bar is at the bottom of the image, not the browser, it is difficult to pan across the image. The user is forced to scroll down to the bottom, scroll across, and then back up.

This is not very elegant.
-winn

Andy

winnjewett wrote:

This is not very elegant.
-winn

Said the patient with the sore arm: "Doc, it hurts when I do this..." Doctor: "Well, don't do that!"



Winn, *that* page, http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/1210943/1/56645070/Original has *nothing* to do with Critique Style, or Loupe. That page is single image view, with originals allowed, on a 12megapixel Canon 5D image. We've recently changed that Os go on the page like that. ONE MORE click and you get the O in Lightbox. BTW, the original is *not* cropped at all, winn - it's 4368px x 2912px.

Guess what - with SmugMug you can have it your way, too. If you have not-so-gigundo originals, you can lay 'em flat out on the page, with no scroll-bars at all:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=28192

Now, how do you feel about critique style, and smugloupe, winn?

flyingdutchie

Andy wrote:

Said the patient with the sore arm: "Doc, it hurts when I do this..." Doctor: "Well, don't do that!"



Winn, *that* page, http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/1210943/1/56645070/Original has *nothing* to do with Critique Style, or Loupe. That page is single image view, with originals allowed, on a 12megapixel Canon 5D image. We've recently changed that Os go on the page like that. ONE MORE click and you get the O in Lightbox. BTW, the original is *not* cropped at all, winn - it's 4368px x 2912px.

Guess what - with SmugMug you can have it your way, too. If you have not-so-gigundo originals, you can lay 'em flat out on the page, with no scroll-bars at all:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=28192

Now, how do you feel about critique style, and smugloupe, winn?

The doctor bent over the victim who was laying on the asphalt.
"Does it hurt, son?" the doctor asked.
Victim: "Only if i laugh, doctor...."
Doctor: "Really! That reminds me: Do you know this joke about......
etc. etc. etc.

I like the critique style! It would be nice if every EXIF-setting has it own DIV with class or ID so that you can hide some of them.

Andy

flyingdutchie wrote:

It would be nice if every EXIF-setting has it own DIV with class or ID so that you can hide some of them.

Can we see a picture of

1) Anton's sock drawer
2) Anton's spice cabinet

I have a sneaking suspicion......

{JT}

flyingdutchie wrote:

It would be nice if every EXIF-setting has it own DIV with class or ID so that you can hide some of them.

You must not have looked at the page with your webdev tools on - 'cause they are already there

Mike Lane

I would like to second the notion that critique should replace the single image view. Perhaps the single image original could have its own page. Frankly, the critique seems to overlap the single image view IMHO. I think critique shouldn't be in the style dropdown.

I like the smugloupe from what I've seen. But I haven't used it all that much to be honest.

*plink plink*

bwg

The first time i saw critique, my geek sense got all tingly...but to be honest i havent used it since then. It's cool in a "hey this is kinda neat" way, but it's gimmicky and i just cant see what anyone would really use it for. Anyone that really cares about pixel peeping their photos has already done so before uploading.

i'm usually a pretty early adopter of things, and i'll force myself to break habits to try new things out....but i just dont have a use for critique (or filmstrip for that matter) in my everyday use of the site. I'd say that 90% of the time i'm in smugmug small with the rest split 7-8% traditional/allthumbs (and one of those could probably disappear too IMHO) and 2-3% slideshow.

rainforest1155

The best thing about critique is definately the inline EXIF-display. Looking forward to have this in other styles, too. Don't forget the journal view though. Now that we can have large pictures in journal I really would like to be able to display EXIF-data as I wish. Comments are missing there too! Make them inline and only be displayed when the visitor clicks on the number of comments.

Sorry for the offtopic thoughts, but those popped to my mind just now.
Ok, about smugloupe - the only reason I would see in having it is to view details of photos for what I'm not allowed to see the full original. I see that's not possible, because technically the loupe is just downloading the whole original to the browsers cache.
But if I could choose between viewing the full original and fiddeling around with smugloupe I would pass the loupe and just get the full original. It's even faster, becasue I can look at it while it's downloading.
Don't get me wrong - using the loupe is relatively easy after you know how it works, but it's just a gimmick that I've played around with a bit until it got boring.

Still - keep the good ideas coming!
Sebastian

{JT}

rainforest1155 wrote:

The best thing about critique is definately the inline EXIF-display. Looking forward to have this in other styles, too. Don't forget the journal view though. Now that we can have large pictures in journal I really would like to be able to display EXIF-data as I wish. Comments are missing there too! Make them inline and only be displayed when the visitor clicks on the number of comments.

While you might be able to leave a comment for one image in journal - you won't be able to see the individual comments for that one image unless you click and follow it to single image view.

dmc

bigwebguy wrote:

... in my everyday use of the site. I'd say that 90% of the time i'm in smugmug small with the rest split 7-8% traditional/allthumbs (and one of those could probably disappear too IMHO) and 2-3% slideshow.

interesting... I use the custom Journal (Large) 98% and I'm in the process of restricting most of my galleries to Journal style.

But I don't have smugmug for ME to look at MY pictures (even though I do). I wish I could just set my galleries to a default style instead of restricting the gallery to a single style.

When I give out url's to my pics, I can't assume that "casual clickers" will spend the time trying out the different styles... Journal is by far the easiest way to view pictures... just scroll away...

Laguna Beach CA

journal style does have access to the slideshow, so my viewers get that option as well

sorry, a little off topic, but to bring the topic back, I like the Critique style such that it would be nice to have the option to have it replace the single image view

DavidTO

dmc wrote:

But I don't have smugmug for ME to look at MY pictures (even though I do). I wish I could just set my galleries to a default style instead of restricting the gallery to a single style.

There's a way to do that via URL, you'll need to search dgrin to find it, as I forget how to do it, but you can force the INITIAL view of a gallery in the URL you give for that gallery.

dmc

DavidTO wrote:

There's a way to do that via URL, you'll need to search dgrin to find it, as I forget how to do it, but you can force the INITIAL view of a gallery in the URL you give for that gallery.

I have seen that... too clunky though....

Andy

Thanks for the input, guys.

SamirD

bigwebguy wrote:

The first time i saw critique, my geek sense got all tingly...but to be honest i havent used it since then. It's cool in a "hey this is kinda neat" way, but it's gimmicky and i just cant see what anyone would really use it for. Anyone that really cares about pixel peeping their photos has already done so before uploading.

I miss smugloupe and the cititque style. I care about pixel peeping, but my workflow process centers around Smugmug and Bay Photo due to my volume. I upload first, eliminate those that just don't make the cut, and let Bay Photo handle any retouching needed for the final prints. My customers are very happy with the results, and they even stun me.

But because my process involves reviewing on Smugmug after uploading, having a tool like the smugloupe helps a lot. I needed it today for the first time in a while and really missed it. :cry

Ann McRae

Hi Samir

You can still use the loupe.

Set your gallery style to Critique - you have to do so in the gallery settings.

Then above the photo you will find a check box for the loupe.

Hope that helps,

ann

SamirD

Ann McRae wrote:

You can still use the loupe.

Set your gallery style to Critique - you have to do so in the gallery settings.

Yay! This is good news.

I tried it, but couldn't find the checkbox for the loupe.

SamirD

SamirD wrote:

I tried it, but couldn't find the checkbox for the loupe.

I still can't find the checkbox for the loupe. Something tells me I have some JS customization that may be blocking it, but I have no which customization it could be. Any assistance?

Andy

SamirD wrote:

I still can't find the checkbox for the loupe. Something tells me I have some JS customization that may be blocking it, but I have no which customization it could be. Any assistance?

Gallery link?

mcshane

Am I missing something?
Critique is not listed as a viewing style for me in the gallery settings.

mcshane

oh nevermind...

mcshane wrote:

Critique is not listed as a viewing style for me in the gallery settings.

there it is...

SamirD

Andy wrote:

Gallery link?

Oops! Sorry Andy! Here's one:
http://newpics.huntsvillecarscene.com/gallery/10322411_h6GVh

SamirD

Interesting...the loupe checkbox appeared once I changed the largest size image in the gallery to 3x. Will a loupe not work on medium or a smaller size like that.

Andy

SamirD wrote:

Interesting...the loupe checkbox appeared once I changed the largest size image in the gallery to 3x. Will a loupe not work on medium or a smaller size like that.

Loupe will only work on large or larger.

SamirD

Andy wrote:

Loupe will only work on large or larger.

Thank you Andy! Answers my question and explains why I couldn't find the loupe.