Photo Sizes for Challenge

wholenewlight · March 7, 2006

as a point of clarification:

• Entered photo must not be larger than 800 pixels on its longest side.
• Entered photo must be less than 150KB in size.

This rule doesn't apply if you are linking to an image uploaded to a smugmug gallery. The rule is then: a link to a medium or large smugmug gallery shot for a horizontal picture and large for a vertical shot.

Is this correct?

I'd hate to be disqualified after working hard on a shot so want to understand clearly.

ginger_55 · March 7, 2006

Yes, I have no idea what this kb rule is............ I have never paid attention to the kb (s). I do have a smugmug acct from hence comes all my photos.

hehe, I keep hearing about it from the main judge this week, and I have not had a chance to ask what this is about. I did notice that Andy mentioned it this AM in his announcement on, of course, the FOOD, of course, challenge.

(Are ribs "judged" by kbs?

)

ginger, who has not "searched" thereby is open to the "not having done my homework" admonition.

vangogh · March 7, 2006

wholenewlight wrote:

as a point of clarification:

This rule doesn't apply if you are linking to an image uploaded to a smugmug gallery. The rule is then: a link to a medium or large smugmug gallery shot for a horizontal picture and large for a vertical shot.

Is this correct?

I'd hate to be disqualified after working hard on a shot so want to understand clearly.

I didn't realise you had to use "large" for portrait shots. I've got Large images protected in my options. Can I still link to larges for challenges then? I hope I'm not disqualified just for that.

Andy · March 7, 2006

Guys, it's very very clear:

We have and allow entrants from people who are NOT yet SmugMug account holders. For such entries, 150Kb max, and 800px max on the longest side, it's very simple...

Here it is, nice and simple:

If you use SmugMug - you can link a -L image (Large) and NOT WORRY about how large the file is.

Snappy, I'm sorry for the confusion in the last challenge for you.

If you use an attached image (e.g., you don't have SmugMug or your own other web space) you must keep the image to less than 150KB and 800px max on the longest side.

If you use your own web server, or any other photo hosting service, the file must be 800px max on the longest side and not larger than 150Kb.

Andy · March 7, 2006

vangogh wrote:

I didn't realise you had to use "large" for portrait shots. I've got Large images protected in my options. Can I still link to larges for challenges then? I hope I'm not disqualified just for that.

You won't be DQd, but Large shows up better. You could make a gallery set up only for challenge shots, keep it privage, and allow Larges there. Or not - your choice!

Andy · March 7, 2006

BTW, NO COMMENTS in the challenge thread please

I moved all of this to separate discussion.

Netgarden · March 8, 2006

Andy wrote:

BTW, NO COMMENTS in the challenge thread please

I moved all of this to separate discussion.

Thanks Andy. I discovered that too. If you make a photo around the size of the smugmug size, a hair smaller, it will use its full bytes. If you use a photo larger than smugmug standard large- it will be reduced bytes, so thats the best bet. I've had to remake a few to accomplish that, or reduce the original even more than my standard routine to around 150,000.

Thanks again for allowing the 800px too. Thats fairly decent in size for contests.

snapapple · March 8, 2006

I'm not sure I understand all this. In the current challenge, #59, I linked a L size for my entry. I got a PM from the mod telling me my entry was too large. I've always linked my L size from my Smugmug account and just assumed that L was always a fixed size. This is the first time I was told it was too big. So, I linked the M size. It looks tiny, and I don't think you can see the detail that you could if it filled the screen. I didn't realize that L was not always the same. I'm not sure what I have to do to get it the right size. When I viewed the large version on my site, it said it was 640 x 800. I thought it was OK.

ginger_55 · March 8, 2006

I hate to admit it, but I don't understand it at all. I don't even WANT to understand it. I want to know what to do. How to do it.

Where do I find out what size it is?

Where do I change that size, in PS?

To what? Then I make it into a large? Too? Or just a thing for challenges. I am sounding disconnected here, I don't understand it, though.

I never understood it in the first place, the 800 thing. I just knew to use the large size. Now, I naturally don't understand 801, if I never understood 800.

I know I will get yelled at, and since that is going to happen I would like to request that one of the "born" teachers, such as Pathfinder, come in and explain this.

ginger

Andy · March 8, 2006

Girls and guys -

Here it is, nice and simple:

If you use SmugMug - you can link a -L image (Large) and NOT WORRY about how large the file is.

Snappy, I'm sorry for the confusion in the last challenge for you.

If you use an attached image (e.g., you don't have SmugMug or your own other web space) you must keep the image to less than 150KB and 800px max on the longest side.

If you use your own web server, or any other photo hosting service, the file must be 800px max on the longest side and not larger than 150Kb.

DoctorIt · March 8, 2006

since Andy's wonderful prose still doesn't work for you, Ginger, let me try putting it engineer shorthand cryptic stylee for you, eh?

if yourimagesizeBIG > 800 x (800-n)

then you have smugmug S, M, L, O
where S, M, L are downsized versions at 72dpi
O is original at (whateveryouuploaded)dpi

if yourimagesizeSMALL < 800 x (800-n)

then you have smugmug S, M, L, O
BUT, L = O at (whateveryouuploaded)dpi
only S, M are downsized to 72dpi

therefore

yourimagesizeSMALL [L] > yourimagesizeBIG [L]
because of the resolution

Or in other words, Ginger, don't worry about it, keep doin' what yer doin. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/lol3.gif" border="0" alt="" >

Andy · March 8, 2006

ginger_55 wrote:

I would like to request that one of the "born" teachers, such as Pathfinder, come in and explain this.

ginger

Ginger, I'm CRUSHED!

Dear - don't worry about it. Go out and shoot your birds - and keep posting. You've won many challenges and it's NEVER been a problem

Keep doing what you are doing....

David_S85 · March 8, 2006

Hmmmmmmm. :uhoh

I'll say that again. Hmmmmm. :uhoh

I was operating under the strict 150KB rule (as I interpreted it). If I was wrong, and apparently I was, I apologize to anyone I asked to reduce their file size. My bad.

Stef · March 8, 2006

Thanks for clarifying that. I linked to a smaller pic for this last "rough" challenge, because I though the large would be too big. Bummer. It looked better a little bigger.

Now I know that a link from SmugMug in the large size is OK for the challenge.

Andy · March 8, 2006

David_S85 wrote:

Hmmmmmmm. :uhoh

I'll say that again. Hmmmmm. :uhoh

I was operating under the strict 150KB rule (as I interpreted it). If I was wrong, and apparently I was, I apologize to anyone I asked to reduze their file size. My bad.

Nah you weren't wrong - I Was.
I hope I've clarified things better. Oh and I've updated da challenge rulez, too.

wholenewlight · March 8, 2006

DoctorIt wrote:

since Andy's wonderful prose still doesn't work for you, Ginger, let me try putting it engineer shorthand cryptic stylee for you, eh?

if yourimagesizeBIG > 800 x (800-n)
then you have smugmug S, M, L, O
where S, M, L are downsized versions at 72dpi
O is original at (whateveryouuploaded)dpi
if yourimagesizeSMALL < 800 x (800-n)
then you have smugmug S, M, L, O
BUT, L = O at (whateveryouuploaded)dpi
only S, M are downsized to 72dpi

therefore
yourimagesizeSMALL [L] > yourimagesizeBIG [L]
because of the resolution
Or in other words, Ginger, don't worry about it, keep doin' what yer doin. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/lol3.gif" border="0" alt="" >

Huh . .
even though I'm an intellyckual, I ll go with Andy's more gooder answer.

:

DoctorIt · March 8, 2006

wholenewlight wrote:

Huh . .
even though I'm an intellyckual, I ll go with Andy's more gooder answer. :

i've been writing matlab code all day. can you tell?

at least my code is gooderer than my explanation of photo sizes.

pathfinder · March 8, 2006

I see I'm a little late to the party....

Thanks Ginger, but I was just as confused aobut the 150Kb limit as you are.

I just always linked them from my smuggy account and went with that. I never really thought about what size they were when they were linked from smuggy. Of course, attached files have always been limited in size, but not when linked from smuggy.

But I see that now Andy say L or M from smuggy is fine - don't worry about the Kb.

IF you link from pbase or other foreign photo hosting sites, then 800 pixels on a side and 150 Kb applies. The only way I know to be sure that your image is less than 150Kb would be to save the image from PS on your hard drive and verify its size before uploading to the photo hosting site. I do not know of a way to control the file size after it is uploaded to a hosting site. Maybe Andy knows how to do this

wholenewlight · March 8, 2006

pathfinder wrote:

IF you link from pbase or other foreign photo hosting sites, then 800 pixels on a side and 150 Kb applies. The only way I know to be sure that your image is less than 150Kb would be to save the image from PS on your hard drive and verify its size before uploading to the photo hosting site.

The "save for web" choice in CS2 lets you "apply" changes to the size and quality of an image prior to actually saving the image. In the lower left corner of the frame it gives a file size prior to saving. It's an estimate I've noticed - the actual saved file is often bigger or smaller that number indicates.

Andy · March 8, 2006

wholenewlight wrote:

The "save for web" choice in CS2 lets you "apply" changes to the size and quality of an image prior to actually saving the image. In the lower left corner of the frame it gives a file size prior to saving. It's an estimate I've noticed - the actual saved file is often bigger or smaller that number indicates.

Save For Web = badness
Save As = goodness

Why? SFW kills all the exif.

snapapple · March 8, 2006

Andy wrote:

Save For Web = badness
Save As = goodness

Why? SFW kills all the exif.

Yes, that's what I thought, so I didn't know anything about what size my file was. I just always thought "Smugmug L" was OK. So now you're saying I was right and my image was OK as an L size? and I didn't have to enter that tiny M image? So can I put in the larger image now? I can send it to the mod and have him put it in. Oh well, I guess it's no big deal. I probably won't make the finals anyway. But can you clarify? "Smugmug L" size is OK? Thanks Andy.

Andy · March 8, 2006

snapapple wrote:

But can you clarify? "Smugmug L" size is OK? Thanks Andy.

Clarify?

I've been clarifyinig till I'm blue in the face today

Yes, SmugMug -L is fine.

I had already changed your challenge entry, Snappy.

snapapple · March 8, 2006

Andy wrote:

Clarify? I've been clarifyinig till I'm blue in the face today

Yes, SmugMug -L is fine.

I had already changed your challenge entry, Snappy.

I was just reading your updated rules thread. It's clear as a bell. Sorry. Don't mean to be dense. But, I guess sometimes I can't help it.

Thanks Andy.

Art Scott · March 8, 2006

Andy wrote:

Save For Web = badness
Save As = goodness

Why? SFW kills all the exif.

WOW....Now I know where all my data has went at times....like for my "Rough" entry...could not find it all and now it makes sense.

MesaMan · March 8, 2006

Sorry if someone else has mentioned this, but what if your entry is a few k over? Ie 158k
?

Thanks

Andy · March 8, 2006

MesaMan wrote:

Sorry if someone else has mentioned this, but what if your entry is a few k over? Ie 158k
?

Thanks

We're really not that exact around here

Truth is, we rarely see any problem. Nobody will be dq'd based on such a small error.

Our challenges are about growing and learning, but we have to have some sorts of size rules, eh?

Andy · March 8, 2006

MesaMan wrote:

Sorry if someone else has mentioned this, but what if your entry is a few k over? Ie 158k
?

Thanks

PS thanks for the comments in my gallery

Sam · March 8, 2006

Andy, thanks for clearing that up! Had a little trouble following this, but I got it now. There is a 150K limit, but it’s ok if you go over it, and oh yeah, no more than 800 p things somewhere. If your using L glass you can send a BIG picture, but if your using that other brand you have to stay with a small one because they only have small sensors, and no matter what, Ginger can just keep doing whatever the heck she’s been doing.

Sam

Andy · March 8, 2006

Sam wrote:

and no matter what, Ginger can just keep doing whatever the heck she’s been doing.
Sam

is there any other response than that

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