DavidTO...you still alive? - Apple Boot Camp - Windows

bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
edited April 7, 2006 in The Big Picture
i thought i heard a scream and a big thud from california earlier today....

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited April 5, 2006
    Damnit. Now I don't have a bona fide excuse to upgrade my GPS to one that doesn't require constant map updates via a windows PC.
    umph.gif


    but on the other hand... it's an excuse to upgrade the computer! clap.gif
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  • peestandinguppeestandingup Registered Users Posts: 489 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    New Apple software lets Macs boot Windows!!!
    Boot Camp
  • bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited April 5, 2006
    peestandingup wrote:
    Boot Camp

    you're late

    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=31366
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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    i thought i heard a scream and a big thud from california earlier today....

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/


    It wasn't me. I could care less. I know that for some people this is important. And all it can do is spead Apple's footprint that much farther...
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited April 5, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    And all it can do is spead Apple's footprint that much farther...
    All I can picture is Mr Burns rubbing his grubby little hands together right now.... eeeexcellent!
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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    All I can picture is Mr Burns rubbing his grubby little hands together right now.... eeeexcellent!



    eeeeexxxxxxxxaaaaccccttttlllyyy!


    Really. Seemed pretty inevitable to me from the moment they announced the chip switch.

    BWG, make sure you watch the keynote when Jobs introduces Leopard. It'll be a sight to see, for sure.
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    apple wrote:
    Word to the Wise

    Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes.

    Calling a spade a spade. Love it.
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  • peestandinguppeestandingup Registered Users Posts: 489 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    you're late

    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=31366
    Ooo, just barely. :D
  • NHBubbaNHBubba Registered Users Posts: 342 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Yah know, this could be a sign that Apple intends to transition from a HW/SW company into a pure HW maker/distributer. It's been widely reported that Jobs has insisted that Apple will remain a HW company and not become a SW company under any circumstances. Also M$ has a stake in Apple these days. Wasn't there an article a while back suggesting Apple might one day axe OSX and ship w/ Windows? That still seems within the realm of imagination. I'm not saying I like it (I don't), but this is a real posibility.

    Although the scenario I like even better is this: Apple spins the OS group off on it's own or sells/transfers it directly to M$. Either way M$ ends up sticking it's brand on some future version of OSX and dropping Windows and its variants. Apple becomes a high-end clone maker, sort of a premium Dell. M$ has their hand in both honey-pots.

    Upside: Bye-bye DOS based Windows, hello OSX variant for the masses.
    Downside: Bye-bye competition..
  • marlofmarlof Registered Users Posts: 1,833 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    On Calling A Spade A Spade: Yeah, happily, things like that are never neccessary on Mac OS X. headscratch.gif But this Boot Camp to me is good news. Finally I can have the excellent industrial design of Apple, and still be fully productive. And before I get shot at: I know you can do anything with a Mac. But when you're working in a Windows only environment, you sometimes need Windows only applications. Like Asksam, the full text retrieval database we use.
    enjoy being here while getting there
  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Apple Introduces Boot Camp, dual boot to XP
    Apple Introduces Boot Camp

    WOW! I cannot say I would have thought they would release this software. Now I want to know if it will run the GPS software via XP. ear.gif
    Apple® today introduced Boot Camp, public beta software that enables Intel-based Macs to run Windows XP. Available as a download beginning today, Boot Camp allows users with a Microsoft Windows XP installation disc to install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac®, and once installation is complete, users can restart their computer to run either Mac OS® X or Windows XP. Boot Camp will be a feature in “Leopard,” Apple’s next major release of Mac OS X, that will be previewed at Apple’s Worldwide Developer Conference in August.
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    Apple Introduces Boot Camp

    WOW! I cannot say I would have thought they would release this software. Now I want to know if it will run the GPS software via XP. ear.gif


    Patch, would you like me to stow your LAGGAGE?

    lol3.gif
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited April 5, 2006
    it would have to, wouldn't it? it's not just an emulator, it's actually running the hardware through windows... right?
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  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Patch, would you like me to stow your LAGGAGE?

    lol3.gif

    11doh.gif It helps that the thread title was changed.

    I still think it is cool. Apple can sell macs and you can do what you want. I want to work on a Mac, but there are a few things I cannot do without XP, mostly GPS stuff and a few small programs. Stuff I have lived without, but for the price of XP I can now run those programs. Oh yeah, I guess I have to buy an Intel Based mac. I like the new imac, but my powerbook is getting old, so by the time I can save up the money they should have the bugs worked out and maybe 10.5 released. deal.gif
  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Damnit. Now I don't have a bona fide excuse to upgrade my GPS to one that doesn't require constant map updates via a windows PC.
    umph.gif


    but on the other hand... it's an excuse to upgrade the computer! clap.gif

    So I would guess after all these years Garmin will announce tomorrow an OSX native solution is finished, now that we could run XP. :bash I guess I would still prefer to run in under OSX. If I had XP I would want to limit its use to only what I have to run in XP.
  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Why could Apple not release this on April 1st. That would have been great, nobody would have know what to believe. lol3.gif
  • peestandinguppeestandingup Registered Users Posts: 489 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Well, I guess this is the end of Virtual PC for Mac. Who would buy that now??

    And dont get this twisted, while Apple is very big into hardware, they are still all about OS X and the rest of their software. Steve Jobs has said it time & time again that Apple is about the OS as well as hardware. They have built the best OS and invested allot of blood sweat & tears into it. This is just a way to acquire more market & silence the old "what if I need to run a Windows app or play my pc games" argument.

    I believe this is a win for everyone, but consumers will win the most. I would have loved to seen the look on Michael Dell's face when they told him the news this morning. It would be like:

    noooo.jpg
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Quote:
    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by apple
    Word to the Wise

    Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes.


    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    Calling a spade a spade. Love it.

    And the unstability and crashes also.......Hmmmmmmm would you really want that..........................................
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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    NHBubba wrote:
    Yah know, this could be a sign that Apple intends to transition from a HW/SW company into a pure HW maker/distributer. It's been widely reported that Jobs has insisted that Apple will remain a HW company and not become a SW company under any circumstances. Also M$ has a stake in Apple these days. Wasn't there an article a while back suggesting Apple might one day axe OSX and ship w/ Windows? That still seems within the realm of imagination. I'm not saying I like it (I don't), but this is a real posibility.

    Although the scenario I like even better is this: Apple spins the OS group off on it's own or sells/transfers it directly to M$. Either way M$ ends up sticking it's brand on some future version of OSX and dropping Windows and its variants. Apple becomes a high-end clone maker, sort of a premium Dell. M$ has their hand in both honey-pots.

    Upside: Bye-bye DOS based Windows, hello OSX variant for the masses.
    Downside: Bye-bye competition..


    Bubba, what are you on?
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  • JamesJWegJamesJWeg Registered Users Posts: 795 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    eeeeexxxxxxxxaaaaccccttttlllyyy!


    Really. Seemed pretty inevitable to me from the moment they announced the chip switch.

    BWG, make sure you watch the keynote when Jobs introduces Leopard. It'll be a sight to see, for sure.

    But will winblows crash when he tries to boot it? Seriously as a network admin the idea of dual booting os x and winblows is very appealing, I could then cut the number of laptops I use to two.

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  • peestandinguppeestandingup Registered Users Posts: 489 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    JamesJWeg wrote:
    But will winblows crash when he tries to boot it?
    Wouldnt that be funny. I bet by the time leopard is introduced, they will allow for fast-user-switching, so that you wont have to restart. You could just run both OSs at the same time & switch between them, just like you can switch between users now while keeping both users logged in. You watch.
  • NHBubbaNHBubba Registered Users Posts: 342 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    Fast OS switching like that would be very difficult to implement.. especially if you were to try to do it entirely in software. Unless of course you got M$ down w/ that and involved.

    Of course a move like that would further support my little conspiracy theory.
    DavidTO wrote:
    Bubba, what are you on?
    Okay.. you don't agree, that's cool. I still think it's possible. Like I said, I'm not for it by any means, but it's possible.

    I wonder if you would have asked me the same thing if I suggested a year/year and a half ago that Mac would go Intel..
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    NHBubba wrote:
    I wonder if you would have asked me the same thing if I suggested a year/year and a half ago that Mac would go Intel..


    Heheh. Maybe. But even then the processor problems Apple was facing means that it would have made more sense.

    Things sure are changing fast, that's for sure.
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  • bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited April 5, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    Heheh. Maybe. But even then the processor problems Apple was facing means that it would have made more sense.

    Things sure are changing fast, that's for sure.

    but some things stay the same.

    http://www.eng.bu.edu/~anc/macosx_bluescreen/blue2.jpg
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  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    NHBubba wrote:
    Fast OS switching like that would be very difficult to implement.. especially if you were to try to do it entirely in software. Unless of course you got M$ down w/ that and involved.

    Of course a move like that would further support my little conspiracy theory.
    Okay.. you don't agree, that's cool. I still think it's possible. Like I said, I'm not for it by any means, but it's possible.

    I wonder if you would have asked me the same thing if I suggested a year/year and a half ago that Mac would go Intel..


    I have to admit too, I do not see Apple moving away from software development. They have too many applications that are big winners for the pro video/photo/audio markets, plus their consumer software is geared for what people need and can use easily. I would be more shocked if they moved away from software vs the Intel move. The hardware issue was not in their control. But if any one thing is constant, it would be change. :D
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    But if any one thing is constant, it would be change. :D


    And the BSOD.
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  • JohnRJohnR Registered Users Posts: 732 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2006
    JamesJWeg wrote:
    I could then cut the number of laptops I use to two.
    James.

    Why not to 1 instead of 2? headscratch.gif
  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Registered Users Posts: 2,303 Major grins
    edited April 6, 2006
    "Windows XP on Mac Simultaneously" - interesting, much better option than dual-boot, IMO. (Sorry if it's been mentioned)
  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited April 6, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    i thought i heard a scream and a big thud from california earlier today....

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
    Without trying to sound cynical here...you can buy an apple with an intel chip & load it with windows.

    headscratch.gif Wouldnt it just be a whole lot easier simply to buy a PC in the first instance ne_nau.gif
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited April 6, 2006
    DJ-S1 wrote:
    "Windows XP on Mac Simultaneously" - interesting, much better option than dual-boot, IMO.
    Why do you think it's better? I guess I'm just coming from the Mac-user GPS camp. To date, virtualPC has been useless for just that reason - it's virtual, not a true OS. As in, it didn't communicate with the hardware, so even though it could run the PC-only GPS mapping software, it wouldn't communicate via USB to the GPS unit for data transfer.
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