Poor Shay, trying to stay on topic and everyone wants to argue about Windows and OSX.
He makes an excellent point. The fact that people would rather argue about what OS sucks and what one kicks ass does back his point up in that people would rather have something secured for them out of the box rather than taking any responsibility for themself.
It's like expecting your house to lock itself and zap any intruders that may try to break in without you doing anything.
Poor Shay, trying to stay on topic and everyone wants to argue about Windows and OSX.
The thing is, it started out sounding like an OS flame, simply because it's addressed to "nutjobs who think they're immune to viruses". Seriously, no Windows user would ever think that--viruses are a fact of life for them. Plus, it linked to a an article about a Mac. It sounded to me like he was calling Mac users nutjobs because we think our computers are immune.
Well, I didn't take offense or anything, but I *did* answer the question from an OS perspective. Yeah, he said over and over that it's not about the OS, but by that point, really, I wasn't listening .
He makes an excellent point. The fact that people would rather argue about what OS sucks and what one kicks ass does back his point up in that people would rather have something secured for them out of the box rather than taking any responsibility for themself.
Be honest with yourself. How many computer users really know how to set their OS up to be secure?
It's like expecting your house to lock itself and zap any intruders that may try to break in without you doing anything.
Wrong analogy. Once I own my house I am free to open whatever doors I want to, when to lock them, when to leave them open. But when I purchase that house I want it all locked down. In other words, LET ME DECIDE HOW OPEN MY COMPUTER SHOULD BE, RATHER THAN LET MICROSOFT DECIDE IT SHOULD BE WIDE OPEN.
Be honest with yourself. How many computer users really know how to set their OS up to be secure?
That's the rub.
It's like the idiotic glorified walkie talkie (read cell phone) craze that has made everyone feel they need one because their life isn't complete without one.
The PC was an expensive (add monitor, add printer, add speakers, add scanner, buy software, ect,) buy that people did because they felt they had to. We are talking about a large number of people that didn't know squat about the PC, what they would really use it for or how to use it, yet they were willing to spend a lot of money buying one. That's some great marketing.
They tried selling internet only machines, but that failed. It would of been nice to have an appliance set to be secure to surf the web only, but it never took off.
The minute you start to idiot proof something is the minute you hear IT guys groaning in disapproval. SP2 for XP crippled any client remote administrative capablites and was a pain in the ass to correct.
Things shouldn't have to be idiot proof. People should be forced to not be idiots. We protect stupidity and we shouldn't.
Now, much to Shay's chagrin, I'll go off on the damn perception apple's OS is the shiznit.
1. I'll admit it has some great things going for it. Driver control and organization is probably the best thing it does. I believe windows needs to be redesigned from the ground up and that the registry, an antiquated bloat, needs to go away.
2. However, apples OS works on apples. It's set for one type of hardware and that's it. It's proprietary. It should work without flaws of any kind. There's no surprises. They approve the hardware and they design the OS to work on it. When apple can create an OS that will run on any x86 architecture allowing for people to create a computer with the best bang for the buck and not have to pay through the nose for an apple product, then I'll be impressed.
3. What large corporation runs an apple network? If apple is so secure, and the greatest thing to use, why aren't they integrated in the business world? Where are the apple domain controllers, email servers, ftp servers, web servers, remotes access servers, or any kind of server? They are a niche, trendy, over priced machine. If that works for you great, just quit trying to justify paying too much money by bad mouthing the competition.
auto-focus should never have been created and ttl metering is an abomination. if they can't handle fully-manual, they shouldn't own a camera. heck, they probably shouldn't even be allowed to look at pictures.
The thing is, it started out sounding like an OS flame, simply because it's addressed to "nutjobs who think they're immune to viruses". Seriously, no Windows user would ever think that--viruses are a fact of life for them. Plus, it linked to a an article about a Mac. It sounded to me like he was calling Mac users nutjobs because we think our computers are immune.
Well, I didn't take offense or anything, but I *did* answer the question from an OS perspective. Yeah, he said over and over that it's not about the OS, but by that point, really, I wasn't listening .
You use Linux and think that your totally safe because viruses only effect Windows.
You use a mac and think you actually are driving a tank with Star Trek shields that make viruses break like water.
You use Windows and run 10 virus scanners, 22 intrusion detection programs, and 1 bitchen firewall that, like, totally keeps you safe.
If you buy into the marketing hype, you are prime feeding pasture for malicious virus/scam/rootkit creators. Act like you are being hunted (regardless of your platform) and you stand a chance of being alert and ready when danger strikes.
If you think you are safe, you will likely be caught napping and make a tasty meal
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auto-focus should never have been created and ttl metering is an abomination. if they can't handle fully-manual, they shouldn't own a camera. heck, they probably shouldn't even be allowed to look at pictures.
There's a reaon camera classes still demand film cameras. Learn the basics and then use the assistance.
Auto focus is nice for those who don't have the sharpest eyesight, it really doesn't have much to do with understanding anything.
Auto aperture and shutter speed sucks. Pure and simple, if you are using them on a dslr, you should of saved the money and bought a point and shoot. I can see setting aperture and using auto shutter if you don't have time to set the shot manually, ie animals, sports, etc., but if you want that perfect exposure and great detail, manual is the only way to go.
And yes, one should learn to use their flash on manual before getting lazy with ttl. It's a bitch, but you'll learn a lot and be better for it.
Take the time, learn, and be better. Too many people are too lazy to do that.
Umm.... Time? Many (if not most) newspapers? Most graphic design and advertising houses?
Are they workstations on a network, or is the actual major part of the infrastrucure at time run and accessed with apples?
My guess they are for graphic production only and a windows, Unix, and possiblly as400, aix, or mainframe is more the major part of their infrastructure.
I backup to dvd's also to outboard hd
I have antivirus running and have a firewall
Not sure if it matters but using windows xp pro
What else can you do ?
Fred
You are doing all the right things, Fred. Keep yourself up to date on patches for all your software and use Firefox instead of IE. You're probably doing that anyway. The last thing is not to worry yourself sick over the threat. The threat is real, but by doing exactly what you are doing you are well protected.
3. What large corporation runs an apple network? If apple is so secure, and the greatest thing to use, why aren't they integrated in the business world? Where are the apple domain controllers, email servers, ftp servers, web servers, remotes access servers, or any kind of server? They are a niche, trendy, over priced machine. If that works for you great, just quit trying to justify paying too much money by bad mouthing the competition.
Google. About 70% of their engineering that's done on laptops is OS X. The rest is Linux.
But then, they're progressive. OS X is really the only UNIX"y" thing that works on portables. Linux on a laptop is a joke -- no business would let its users do that, because if they're techie enough to do it, it's likely they'll spend 50% of their "working" time patching Linux drivers for wireless to get it actually WORKING... time they should spend... doing the work they are paid for ;-)
Solaris is another hardware-proprietary flavor of Unix.
You are hung up on the hardware and the software being so tightly coupled. Yes, Windows PC's are cheaper because things aren't proprietary. But the cost associated with this savings is that things don't quite work as well, as you yourself noted. There is a benefit to the price of closed or partially closed systems.
Part of the problem with open hardware platforms is that some vendors, quite frankly, have no business being in business. And don't think that the free market sorts that out. I'll give you an example from personal experience. Back when I worked at Texas Instruments, way back when they were doing chip sets for PC compatibles, we brought out a new chip set. Turns out there was a popular disk drive controller that had a flaw -- it did not adhere to the published bus specification. As such it did not work with our chip set. WE HAD TO INTENTIONALLY PUT IN A FLAW IN OUR DESIGN IN ORDER TO SELL OUR PRODUCT. Here you had a product that was flawed, that did not adhere to the bus specifications, and yet it goes to market anyway. It gets accepted. And now everyone else has to support that very same flaw. How is that possibly good for the industry? Closed systems, or at least platforms that go through some form of validation, don't let this sort of thing happen.
The PC industry is full of such stories. The conversations I used to have with the BIOS developers back in those days...
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He makes an excellent point. The fact that people would rather argue about what OS sucks and what one kicks ass does back his point up in that people would rather have something secured for them out of the box rather than taking any responsibility for themself.
It's like expecting your house to lock itself and zap any intruders that may try to break in without you doing anything.
The thing is, it started out sounding like an OS flame, simply because it's addressed to "nutjobs who think they're immune to viruses". Seriously, no Windows user would ever think that--viruses are a fact of life for them. Plus, it linked to a an article about a Mac. It sounded to me like he was calling Mac users nutjobs because we think our computers are immune.
Well, I didn't take offense or anything, but I *did* answer the question from an OS perspective. Yeah, he said over and over that it's not about the OS, but by that point, really, I wasn't listening
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Wrong analogy. Once I own my house I am free to open whatever doors I want to, when to lock them, when to leave them open. But when I purchase that house I want it all locked down. In other words, LET ME DECIDE HOW OPEN MY COMPUTER SHOULD BE, RATHER THAN LET MICROSOFT DECIDE IT SHOULD BE WIDE OPEN.
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That's the rub.
It's like the idiotic glorified walkie talkie (read cell phone) craze that has made everyone feel they need one because their life isn't complete without one.
The PC was an expensive (add monitor, add printer, add speakers, add scanner, buy software, ect,) buy that people did because they felt they had to. We are talking about a large number of people that didn't know squat about the PC, what they would really use it for or how to use it, yet they were willing to spend a lot of money buying one. That's some great marketing.
They tried selling internet only machines, but that failed. It would of been nice to have an appliance set to be secure to surf the web only, but it never took off.
The minute you start to idiot proof something is the minute you hear IT guys groaning in disapproval. SP2 for XP crippled any client remote administrative capablites and was a pain in the ass to correct.
Things shouldn't have to be idiot proof. People should be forced to not be idiots. We protect stupidity and we shouldn't.
Now, much to Shay's chagrin, I'll go off on the damn perception apple's OS is the shiznit.
1. I'll admit it has some great things going for it. Driver control and organization is probably the best thing it does. I believe windows needs to be redesigned from the ground up and that the registry, an antiquated bloat, needs to go away.
2. However, apples OS works on apples. It's set for one type of hardware and that's it. It's proprietary. It should work without flaws of any kind. There's no surprises. They approve the hardware and they design the OS to work on it. When apple can create an OS that will run on any x86 architecture allowing for people to create a computer with the best bang for the buck and not have to pay through the nose for an apple product, then I'll be impressed.
3. What large corporation runs an apple network? If apple is so secure, and the greatest thing to use, why aren't they integrated in the business world? Where are the apple domain controllers, email servers, ftp servers, web servers, remotes access servers, or any kind of server? They are a niche, trendy, over priced machine. If that works for you great, just quit trying to justify paying too much money by bad mouthing the competition.
my words, my "pro"pictures, my "fun" pictures, my videos.
You use Linux and think that your totally safe because viruses only effect Windows.
You use a mac and think you actually are driving a tank with Star Trek shields that make viruses break like water.
You use Windows and run 10 virus scanners, 22 intrusion detection programs, and 1 bitchen firewall that, like, totally keeps you safe.
If you buy into the marketing hype, you are prime feeding pasture for malicious virus/scam/rootkit creators. Act like you are being hunted (regardless of your platform) and you stand a chance of being alert and ready when danger strikes.
If you think you are safe, you will likely be caught napping and make a tasty meal
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There's a reaon camera classes still demand film cameras. Learn the basics and then use the assistance.
Auto focus is nice for those who don't have the sharpest eyesight, it really doesn't have much to do with understanding anything.
Auto aperture and shutter speed sucks. Pure and simple, if you are using them on a dslr, you should of saved the money and bought a point and shoot. I can see setting aperture and using auto shutter if you don't have time to set the shot manually, ie animals, sports, etc., but if you want that perfect exposure and great detail, manual is the only way to go.
And yes, one should learn to use their flash on manual before getting lazy with ttl. It's a bitch, but you'll learn a lot and be better for it.
Take the time, learn, and be better. Too many people are too lazy to do that.
Shay, you should write a book with that title...
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I agree with an awful lot of what you say, but this is ridiculous. Or, more accurately, overstatement on a grand scale.
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Are they workstations on a network, or is the actual major part of the infrastrucure at time run and accessed with apples?
My guess they are for graphic production only and a windows, Unix, and possiblly as400, aix, or mainframe is more the major part of their infrastructure.
Netcraft shows Solaris on their Web servers. Apple uses OSX, of course.
So they're using Sun on their e-commerce side. That's not uncommon. Solaris is another hardware-proprietary flavor of Unix.
I have antivirus running and have a firewall
Not sure if it matters but using windows xp pro
What else can you do ?
Fred
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Regards,
Well, unless it's Solaris X86, of course. Which Sun was dropping, in favor of Linux. Which, then, they weren't. Or were they?
Hmmm...
Google. About 70% of their engineering that's done on laptops is OS X. The rest is Linux.
But then, they're progressive. OS X is really the only UNIX"y" thing that works on portables. Linux on a laptop is a joke -- no business would let its users do that, because if they're techie enough to do it, it's likely they'll spend 50% of their "working" time patching Linux drivers for wireless to get it actually WORKING... time they should spend... doing the work they are paid for ;-)
Part of the problem with open hardware platforms is that some vendors, quite frankly, have no business being in business. And don't think that the free market sorts that out. I'll give you an example from personal experience. Back when I worked at Texas Instruments, way back when they were doing chip sets for PC compatibles, we brought out a new chip set. Turns out there was a popular disk drive controller that had a flaw -- it did not adhere to the published bus specification. As such it did not work with our chip set. WE HAD TO INTENTIONALLY PUT IN A FLAW IN OUR DESIGN IN ORDER TO SELL OUR PRODUCT. Here you had a product that was flawed, that did not adhere to the bus specifications, and yet it goes to market anyway. It gets accepted. And now everyone else has to support that very same flaw. How is that possibly good for the industry? Closed systems, or at least platforms that go through some form of validation, don't let this sort of thing happen.
The PC industry is full of such stories. The conversations I used to have with the BIOS developers back in those days...
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