Let's always have "Ineligible" co-part of the challenge

Nikolai

[ADDED] here's one: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=33746 [/ADDED]
I liked this idea since my dpreview days. :lust
For uninitiated: with each new challenge I'm suggesting to have a parallel thread, wehre people may post images under exactly the same challenge rules with the following exceptions:

• image is taken outside actual challenge time frame (hence it's by definition "ineligible" for it)
• up to 3 images per person can be added (as opposed to just 1)
• no voting, prizes or anything is awarded

The reason behind having the ineligible thread is to give the other participants an idea what can be done and kinda raise the bar even more:-).

I see people already started posting ineligigble images from time to time, I'd like to see it in a more centralized and organized place.

What do you think?

Andy

It's a nice idea, Nik - but I'm going to veto it, from a formal standpoint. We love the ineligible threads- they are great for inspiration, discussion, enjoying, and learning. But to make a judged/voted on ineligible category, will put a big burden on an already-volunteer staff and system.

DJ-S1

I think you two are in violent agreement - you're saying the same thing, Andy. You love the inelligible threads, and you don't want to vote on them.

DJ-S1

By the way Nik, why the 3 post limit? If they are inelligible and they aren't voted on, there's no need for a limit.

Stan

Andy used to post a few examples at the top of the challenge thread to get the inspiration going, this could be a great way to showcase themed photography of the challenge with out the competition.

Stan

Nikolai

Andy,

Andy wrote:

It's a nice idea, Nik - but I'm going to veto it, from a formal standpoint. We love the ineligible threads- they are great for inspiration, discussion, enjoying, and learning. But to make a judged/voted on ineligible category, will put a big burden on an already-volunteer staff and system.

We're NOT going to judge/vote on them. It's purely for inspiration. I often find myself in a situation when I have just what would be perfect for the challenge - only it was taken 3 years ago in a location 3,000 miles away...

So - no managing burden. Just make an extra sticky thread for the duration of the challenge..

Nikolai

Dj,

DJ-S1 wrote:

By the way Nik, why the 3 post limit? If they are inelligible and they aren't voted on, there's no need for a limit.

We can obviously discuss it, but I always think that the moderation is a virtue.
We want diversity, not dozens of identical shots from the same person.

Nikolai

Stan,

Stan wrote:

Andy used to post a few examples at the top of the challenge thread to get the inspiration going, this could be a great way to showcase themed photography of the challenge with out the competition.

Stan

Andy is an awesome photographer, but.. he's just one. Would you deny Harry, or Shay, or Rutt, or Dee, or many many other talents to share thier work - on the occasion?

Sugarloafur

Sounds like a good idea to me. Even the few challenges that I've seen, I've taken other photos that I'd like to share, and get constructive feedback. I also like to see what others have done and offer suggestions (however useless they might be at this point).

If nothing else, the ineligible challenge thread could be a way to spark ideas for submissions, and share photos related to the topic.

Stan

Nikolai wrote:

Andy is an awesome photographer, but.. he's just one. Would you deny Harry, or Shay, or Rutt, or Dee, or many many other talents to share thier work - on the occasion?

Sorry, if you missed the point, Andy used other photogs links to show what was possible, including his own.

I think other dgrinners showing their work with or without a separate critique thread as with the association thread could be interesting.

It got my vote

Stan

Stan

Wow, looking back, I had forgotten, we even used to vote on the next challenge. We must be nearly post puberty now, we are so grown up.... How this site has changed...

Best wishes to Dgrin
Stan

Nee7x7

I like the idea a lot! I don't really like the idea of competition as much as simply sharing what you've done. Maybe Nik could moderate, if that's really necessary since there's no voting. Wish we could comment on the entries, too, but with this type of format, it's not really possible to do without disrupting the thread...sigh. But a themed thread without voting...um...gets my vote, lol!

davev

Nee7x7 wrote:

I like the idea a lot! I don't really like the idea of competition as much as simply sharing what you've done. Maybe Nik could moderate, if that's really necessary since there's no voting. Wish we could comment on the entries, too, but with this type of format, it's not really possible to do without disrupting the thread...sigh. But a themed thread without voting...um...gets my vote, lol!

This doesn't need to be moderated, all it needs is to have a thread started
and made into a sticky so it stays on top.

It seems like for every challenge, I had a photo for it, but it was
taken a day to early. I guess I don't see the harm in it, but it's really is up to Andy.

With some of the posts we've seen lately, how long will it be before
someone makes the comment "The final 10 suck, we should be voting on
the ineligibles." and that will just make Andy's or the guest mod's job
more of a pain.

I like the idea, but I don't think people will be leave it alone. So I'm voting No.

tsk1979

Agree
Have the sticky thread, no voting, just inspiration!

Nikolai wrote:

We're NOT going to judge/vote on them. It's purely for inspiration. I often find myself in a situation when I have just what would be perfect for the challenge - only it was taken 3 years ago in a location 3,000 miles away...

So - no managing burden. Just make an extra sticky thread for the duration of the challenge..

mr peas

I can see where you guys are going with this..Okay guys I think I have a solution!

How about a weekly 'for fun' photo thing. just a thread a week for any subject. No voting, nothing too serious.

Lets say I suggest, the topic "Sports". One thread only dedicated to photographs dealing with sports. Or.. "Love".. one thread full of photos with affection and etc.

It can also be stretched out to like more than a week, up to a month, you know, just to keep us busy.

You would need someone to keep track of when to unpin the thread and when to make new topics but as long as its not as serious as the normal challenge, it wouldnt be too much of hassle, I dont think.

It is a cool idea, to have several 'projects' occuring. But if it is too much of a hassle for the current mods and admins, then just keep the topic in mind, maybe next time we can do it.

DJ-S1

mr peas wrote:

How about a weekly 'for fun' photo thing.

Isn' that what DGrin is all about every day? It should be, and I think 99% of the time it accomplishes that.

snapapple

I always enjoy seeing the ineligable shots, but having them all together in one thread would make it easier to find them. I think it would also encourage people to share more of them and maybe add some info on how they accomplished the shot so they can be more helpful as inspiration. I mean like the lens they used, the lighting technique or other things pertanent the particular challenge. I was at a loss for ideas and for technique on the "long exposure" challenge and some more ideas would have helped a lot.

mr peas

DJ-S1 wrote:

Isn' that what DGrin is all about every day? It should be, and I think 99% of the time it accomplishes that.

its more like every 2 weeks ;p

something simpler though. all it would take is making a thread then pinning it. the normal challenge is fun and all but it would be interesting to do more than one project a week.

and yeah, one big sticky wont hurt...if not one sticky thread every challenge. it wont have to be moderated.

Awais Yaqub

Yes me to like the idea from my dpreview days :duel

oldbmw

One reason for a limit is to maybe help teach some editing skills. I may have 10 photos that I really like but have to edit them down to the top three, so I start to look at the little things in each photo that may not make it has good as the others.

rutt

Really the thread doesn't even have to be stuck. Just start it. If it's popular enough, it will stay near the top. Maybe use a very attention getting smiley as it's icon. Post a request to the moderators to stick, unstick. If you see something that belongs there but isn't, post a request to the moderators to move it. It might get done. No real overhead for the moderators here at all, really. And no need for a permission.

Nikolai

John

rutt wrote:

Really the thread doesn't even have to be stuck. Just start it. If it's popular enough, it will stay near the top. Maybe use a very attention getting smiley as it's icon. Post a request to the moderators to stick, unstick. If you see something that belongs there but isn't, post a request to the moderators to move it. It might get done. No real overhead for the moderators here at all, really. And no need for a permission.

Thanks, I was actually about to start doing exactly that :-)

Cheers!

rutt

No wonder you wanted to do this so badly, Nik. Nice, no eye popping, redhead you got there.

Nikolai

Thanks, John!

rutt wrote:

No wonder you wanted to do this so badly, Nik. Nice, no eye popping, redhead you got there.

I guess many of us have some aces up our sleeves
It's a crying shame to keep them in hiding :-)

Cheers!

rutt

Here Nik, why not link this in at the top of the Ineligible thread: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=33752

gubbs

There is already confusion with the challenge threads, we frequently have to delete/move posts and answer questions about where to post entries. An
extra "ineligible" thread would just add to this confusion!

xtnomad

I feel Challenged
Where Am I ?
O I am just forum challanged Not Photo challanged!!
Wait did I spell that right.

gus

gubbs wrote:

There is already confusion with the challenge threads, we frequently have to delete/move posts and answer questions about where to post entries. An
extra "ineligible" thread would just add to this confusion!

Exactly