Improving???

raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
edited June 17, 2006 in Wildlife
Am I getting any better at this?

The birds are cooperating a bit more out at my feeder and are letting me get much closer to them. I am also aiming to focus on their heads more. They are so flitty at times, it's hard.

The first two were done with my Nikon D50, Sigma 70-200 f2.8 lens. Shot at 200mm f2.8, 1/400, ISO 200 WB set for "shade" mode.

Nothing done to them except crop and resize to post them here.

Carolina Chickadee....
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This last shot is done at 200mm, f3.5, 1/160, ISO200

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  • jeff lapointjeff lapoint Registered Users Posts: 1,228 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Absolutely!
    raian wrote:
    Am I getting any better at this?

    Yes! These look very nice! You have also chosen a difficult subjectthumb.gifBirds are hard enough, but little onesrolleyes1.gif Nice work getting the focus more on the eye. One the first shot there is even a bit of catch light on the eye...good job. There are some things you could do in post to make the pics even better, but there are many others here far more suited to help you with that.

    Are you using the histogram on the D50? This may help alot and I know without it I would be lost!

    -j
  • bfjrbfjr Registered Users Posts: 10,980 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    This is your best birdie post to date !! thumb.gif

    you choose well .... your exp the light you shot in and your focus show a marked improvement!!

    I personally like the last one best, man you even got "Bokah" Baby !! :Dclap.gif
  • Osprey WhispererOsprey Whisperer Registered Users Posts: 3,803 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Nice series of shots you have here. thumb.gif Bokeh baby!!! Gotta love it. Nice tones and soft background quality to these. Shoot..shoot..and shoot some more. :D
    Mike McCarthy

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  • raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Thanks everyone. Yeah, gotta love the Bokeh!!

    I am shooting and shooting and shooting... and thinking about our Ginger wearing our her camera shutter. I hope mine lasts a while yet :D

    Forgot to add. I am shooting in Manual focus as well. I just seem to do it a bit better than the camera is doing.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Absolutely the best pics I've seen from you so far. clap.gif Can't wait for your next pics.
    Harry
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  • raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Thanks Harry. Overall I like them. I don't really care for the yellowish hue, but I think that's due to shooting in heavy shade with no flash. But, the bird is looking better than previous posts :D
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    raian wrote:
    Thanks Harry. Overall I like them. I don't really care for the yellowish hue, but I think that's due to shooting in heavy shade with no flash. But, the bird is looking better than previous posts :D

    The birds looks great, sharp and with excellent details. What was your WB on the shot?
    Harry
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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    It's hard to get a decent shot of a small bird at 200mm. So...I say, well done.
    I think all of the shots could be a little cooler (not so yellow), but that's a matter of taste and doesn't detract from these good shots.:D
  • raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    The birds looks great, sharp and with excellent details. What was your WB on the shot?

    Harry, I had the WB set on "shade". With that setting on it does yellow up the shots. I don't have a lot of WB to play with ... off the top of my head I think the settings are "shade" "direct sunlite" "cloudy" "incandesant" ... I think there's one more on there... and Auto.

    The area where I've been shooting these birds is heavily shaded in my backyard.
  • raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Thanks Ric. Appreciate your comments and encouragement.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    raian wrote:
    The birds looks great, sharp and with excellent details. What was your WB on the shot?

    Harry, I had the WB set on "shade". With that setting on it does yellow up the shots. I don't have a lot of WB to play with ... off the top of my head I think the settings are "shade" "direct sunlite" "cloudy" "incandesant" ... I think there's one more on there... and Auto.

    The area where I've been shooting these birds is heavily shaded in my backyard.


    You probably should have gone with the cloudy setting. I have always found Nikon's 'Shade" WB to be way too strong. The next time you shoot, do me a favor. Take 2-3 shots in RAW. If you had shot in RAW you could have adjusted your WB settings during the RAW conversion.
    Harry
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  • raianraian Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Okay Harry. I will shoot some in RAW as well.

    I have shot in RAW. Got some shots of deer laying in the underbrush behind my barn but when I processed them I was not happy at all with the results. I am using the Nikon Picture Project to convert (it came with the camera). Someone suggested a freebie RAW converter and I tried downloading it, but I'm on dial-up and it took too long and kept dropping....

    I'm sure the RAW conversions I wasn't happy with are my fault as I really don't know what all I'm doing yet...

    And histograms kinda scare me at this point... I'm really not sure what I'm looking at or why.

    I am pathetically un-technical.. but trying :D
  • raptorcaptorraptorcaptor Registered Users Posts: 3,968 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Nice work Raian! clap.gif
    Glenn

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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Harryb wrote:
    You probably should have gone with the cloudy setting. I have always found Nikon's 'Shade" WB to be way too strong. The next time you shoot, do me a favor. Take 2-3 shots in RAW. If you had shot in RAW you could have adjusted your WB settings during the RAW conversion.

    Harry,

    You don't need to shoot raw to adjust WB in post. I can do it on JPEG's with DXO Optics Pro or use iCorrect Pro plugin with my image editor. That's why I seldom worry about WB while shooting. With one click I can adjust this shot to proper WB just by clicking a known white or neutral area such as the Chickadees throat feathers.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Ric Grupe wrote:
    Harry,

    You don't need to shoot raw to adjust WB in post. I can do it on JPEG's with DXO Optics Pro or use iCorrect Pro plugin with my image editor. That's why I seldom worry about WB while shooting. With one click I can adjust this shot to proper WB just by clicking a known white or neutral area such as the Chickadees throat feathers.

    Its time for me to get on my :soapbox

    I've used DXO and other plug-ins on jpegs and they do ok but its much easier and effective in RAW. I am always careful about my WB when shooting. If you blow out a color channel the shot will be screwed no matter what you do later on. If you don't believe me set your WB to flash or tungsten lighting and shoot a bunch of wildlife shots in natural light. :eek1

    PS and all the varied software programs out there are fantastic and I love them all and own many of them also. They can improve a well exposed shot with the correct WB. They can't save a shot that was poorly composed or where the settings were screwed up. The results you get are so much better if use the proper settings than when you are trying to recover from poor exposure or inaccurate settings.

    End of sermon and we will return you to your regular programming.
    Harry
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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Harryb wrote:
    Its time for me to get on my :soapbox

    I've used DXO and other plug-ins on jpegs and they do ok but its much easier and effective in RAW. I am always careful about my WB when shooting. If you blow out a color channel the shot will be screwed no matter what you do later on. If you don't believe me set your WB to flash or tungsten lighting and shoot a bunch of wildlife shots in natural light. :eek1

    PS and all the varied software programs out there are fantastic and I love them all and own many of them also. They can improve a well exposed shot with the correct WB. They can't save a shot that was poorly composed or where the settings were screwed up. The results you get are so much better if use the proper settings than when you are trying to recover from poor exposure or inaccurate settings.

    End of sermon and we will return you to your regular programming.

    Oh..I don't doubt you one bit.

    I always use AWB and these tools have done the trick for me. I am not a big fan of raw and think it's benefits are exaggerated.

    Now don't get me wrong raw does has it's advantages....but it has downsides too. Longer workflow...more storage...fewer shots in the field.....
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Ric Grupe wrote:
    Oh..I don't doubt you one bit.

    I always use AWB and these tools have done the trick for me. I am not a big fan of raw and think it's benefits are exaggerated.

    Now don't get me wrong raw does has it's advantages....but it has downsides too. Longer workflow...more storage...fewer shots in the field.....

    AWB depends on the camera. I wasn't crazy about it on my D2H or my D100 but I use it most of the time on my D2X. Right now I'm experimenting with setting the Kelvin temp myself and I will probably start doing that regularly soon.

    Of course the benefits of RAW are exaggerated but so are its downsides. I find that its actually faster than when I shot jpegs. I use Nikon Capture which lets me save pre-sets. I have a preset for different ISO ranges which also applies basic sharpening and a curve to the pic with one click of the mouse. I then adjust the exposure and enhance the color which is two mouse clicks. I then open the shot in PS and finish my post work.

    If i was a pro shooting weddings for a living I would shoot in jpeg and batch process them. Fortunately I don't have those time pressues, you might have heard that I'm retired. rolleyes1.gif
    Harry
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  • saurorasaurora Registered Users Posts: 4,320 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Hi Raian! I think you have just taken one of those giant steps in your skills as a photographer. These are very nice. Yes, they are not perfect, but you definitely have made some big advances. I love the poses from below. Very cute expressions on that little guys face as he watches you! The 3rd shot is my fav! Keep it up! You'll be catching up to the rest of 'em before you know it! thumb.gif
  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited June 16, 2006
    Harryb wrote:
    AWB depends on the camera. I wasn't crazy about it on my D2H or my D100 but I use it most of the time on my D2X. Right now I'm experimenting with setting the Kelvin temp myself and I will probably start doing that regularly soon.

    Of course the benefits of RAW are exaggerated but so are its downsides. I find that its actually faster than when I shot jpegs. I use Nikon Capture which lets me save pre-sets. I have a preset for different ISO ranges which also applies basic sharpening and a curve to the pic with one click of the mouse. I then adjust the exposure and enhance the color which is two mouse clicks. I then open the shot in PS and finish my post work.

    If i was a pro shooting weddings for a living I would shoot in jpeg and batch process them. Fortunately I don't have those time pressues, you might have heard that I'm retired. rolleyes1.gif

    Harry, there are so many ways to skin a cat! If something works for you...do it. I am always willing to look at new ways.....it's just that I've wasted money in the past by jumping on this bandwagon or that. I finally have the tools I'm comfortable with.....and I don't always skin that cat the same way every time myself. mwink.gif
  • jwearjwear Registered Users Posts: 8,013 Major grins
    edited June 17, 2006
    Harryb wrote:
    Its time for me to get on my :soapbox

    I've used DXO and other plug-ins on jpegs and they do ok but its much easier and effective in RAW. I am always careful about my WB when shooting. If you blow out a color channel the shot will be screwed no matter what you do later on. If you don't believe me set your WB to flash or tungsten lighting and shoot a bunch of wildlife shots in natural light. :eek1

    PS and all the varied software programs out there are fantastic and I love them all and own many of them also. They can improve a well exposed shot with the correct WB. They can't save a shot that was poorly composed or where the settings were screwed up. The results you get are so much better if use the proper settings than when you are trying to recover from poor exposure or inaccurate settings.

    End of sermon and we will return you to your regular programming.
    ok just a little something doing lots of work after the fact is time consuming and for really sharp clean imaging as close to perfect you get in camera the less work and the better the shot or is that what you said Harry :D very nice little one shots -they are good subjects and make you work for exposers
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  • ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited June 17, 2006
    raian wrote:
    The birds looks great, sharp and with excellent details. What was your WB on the shot?

    Harry, I had the WB set on "shade". With that setting on it does yellow up the shots. I don't have a lot of WB to play with ... off the top of my head I think the settings are "shade" "direct sunlite" "cloudy" "incandesant" ... I think there's one more on there... and Auto.

    The area where I've been shooting these birds is heavily shaded in my backyard.

    Raian, what kind of photoshop are you working with?

    There are ways to warm up, or cool down photos with photoshop. I Have CS2, but there are other ways, I am certain. Just the hue slider in saturation should be on most programs. If you don't like what is happening, just click on cancel.

    ginger (Yeah, right on! Little birds are hard IMO. The absolute worst and hardest to shoot!) You did very good!

    Oh, I was on those main garden lakes with the white bridges over them. In fact I sat on the back bridge for a long time to let the bird get used to me..

    That is one thing I have no control over: what birds are in that area. I have seen Gr White Egrets before, but later on, and they always fly away.
    I feel quite fortunate when I see any bird I can photograph in either of those areas. Last time, a year or so ago, it was a Little Blue Heron. A Great White Egret is better............and especially the way things played out. I had to keep my ISO fairly high. I hope I got a clear shot of him with a fish. I know I have a shot, just don't know if it is clear.
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • Dick on ArubaDick on Aruba Registered Users Posts: 3,484 Major grins
    edited June 17, 2006
    Well Raian, all I can say is: More!...More!...More!

    Thanks for sharing.

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