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meltonfammeltonfam Registered Users Posts: 6 Beginner grinner
edited July 6, 2006 in Technique
i currently help as an assistant for a local pro; she has graciously taken me under her wings to help me learn more. my question is this - she asked me to 'pan' some pictures at a local event this weekend - and my response was 'uhhh:huh ' so I did candids.

My question is this - i think of a 'pan' shot as where the subject is in focus but rest is blurred. what is the secret behind creating a shot like this so the subject is not blurred too?

TIA and any help is appreciated!

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  • Shay StephensShay Stephens Registered Users Posts: 3,165 Major grins
    edited July 5, 2006
    A slow shutter speed will blur the background as you pan the camera with the subject. It's simple to do, but hard to master because the subject is a high risk of being blurred too. So this technique needs a lot of practice. Getting the right shutter speed can be a balancing act too. You don't want it too long or too short. I like to start at 1/30 of a second and alter to taste.

    One thing that can help is to use flash at the same time which helps to freeze the subject a little better.
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited July 5, 2006
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    One thing that can help is to use flash at the same time which helps to freeze the subject a little better.
    Shay, did you mean rear-curtain sync? Or it does not matter, really? headscratch.gif
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  • meltonfammeltonfam Registered Users Posts: 6 Beginner grinner
    edited July 5, 2006
    thanks for the help! i had to sneak out and try this before i replied - 1st) i can see where it is a balancing act! 2nd) is it best suited to use a prime lense for this effect?

    I have a Tamron XR Di 28-75 and i set the focus to manual and tried at 28, 50 and 75 range. I had some that were at most a work in progress but can't help thinking a prime would almost be required or a faster zoom?
  • Shay StephensShay Stephens Registered Users Posts: 3,165 Major grins
    edited July 6, 2006
    Nikolai wrote:
    Shay, did you mean rear-curtain sync? Or it does not matter, really? headscratch.gif

    Doesn't matter much, or so I have found. Some may be more picky than me though mwink.gif
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  • Shay StephensShay Stephens Registered Users Posts: 3,165 Major grins
    edited July 6, 2006
    meltonfam wrote:
    thanks for the help! i had to sneak out and try this before i replied - 1st) i can see where it is a balancing act! 2nd) is it best suited to use a prime lense for this effect?
    I think any lens you have on hand will provide as good a result as any so long as you can get the exposure you need.
    I have a Tamron XR Di 28-75 and i set the focus to manual and tried at 28, 50 and 75 range. I had some that were at most a work in progress but can't help thinking a prime would almost be required or a faster zoom?
    Are you not getting the exposure you need? I am not sure what problem you are experiencing. Could you describe what is going wrong?
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  • THE TOUCHTHE TOUCH Registered Users Posts: 535 Major grins
    edited July 6, 2006
    meltonfam wrote:
    thanks for the help! i had to sneak out and try this before i replied - 1st) i can see where it is a balancing act! 2nd) is it best suited to use a prime lense for this effect?

    I have a Tamron XR Di 28-75 and i set the focus to manual and tried at 28, 50 and 75 range. I had some that were at most a work in progress but can't help thinking a prime would almost be required or a faster zoom?

    I'm not sure you understand the actual panning part. How are you photographing your subject?

    Just in case - here's an example -

    Have someone run across your field of view (in front of you), from left to right. Look through your viewfinder and track them with your camera and take a picture while your tracking. Make sense?

    Does anyone have a sample - I don't.
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  • meltonfammeltonfam Registered Users Posts: 6 Beginner grinner
    edited July 6, 2006
    i think I understand the panning part fine just can't seem to get the subject to be close to focused. what i think of panning is a picture i have seen where a person is running and only he is in focus - the rest is blurred.

    here are two of my closest attempts
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1162917/IMG_5268.jpg
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1162917/IMG_5265.jpg

    looking at the exif data on it - i think i had two things against me to start with - 800 iso and my canon should have been set to 13 for 1/30 sec instead of 0"3 - it was too dark apparently to see that correctly.

    both taken at 50mm MF set to infinity. i did not use a very sturdy tripod so i will attempt again with better settings.

    thanks for all your patience and help. i know this is not a easy one to learn but good to start somewhere!
  • Shay StephensShay Stephens Registered Users Posts: 3,165 Major grins
    edited July 6, 2006
    Ahh, try auto focusing. Unless your subject is far away, it will not be in focus using infinity.

    The other thing I noticed is that you do need ambient light to illuminate the rest of the scene. Enough light to add up to a normal exposure (+/- a stop or two) in order for the effect to work. Panning with a moving subject against a black background won't look very dynamic mwink.gif
    meltonfam wrote:
    i think I understand the panning part fine just can't seem to get the subject to be close to focused. what i think of panning is a picture i have seen where a person is running and only he is in focus - the rest is blurred.

    here are two of my closest attempts
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1162917/IMG_5268.jpg
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1162917/IMG_5265.jpg
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  • meltonfammeltonfam Registered Users Posts: 6 Beginner grinner
    edited July 6, 2006
    that makes sense - i was thinking the AF would be more of a hindrance in low light - but will give it a shot again this afternoon. thanks a bunch!!
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