Total number of shutter releases for camera - permanency of EXIF info

DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
edited March 9, 2007 in Cameras
I figured it would be a good idea to find out how many actuations are on the D2H I'm selling. I googled the topic and was directed to a useful thread on Sportsshooter, which in turn lead me to downloading the Opanda Exif viewer (PC only, bummer, had to do it at work).

Installed the freeware and opened up an untouched jpg taken with the D2H this morning. In the exif field entitled "total number of shutter releases for camera" it said only 3518.

:scratch

I'm the second owner of this camera, and my own file numbering (which I reset soon after I got the camera) is at 2973. It took me about a week before learning enough to be able to do this, so the 3518 jives perfectly with the number of images I've taken while owning it. I believe the exif viewer because several sportsshooters on that thread reported reading numbers in the tens of thousands from their respective Nikons.

My question is: would a full Nikon factory service zero out the exif? The previous owner had it serviced before sending it to me.
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 19, 2006
    So no one knows what a factory service entails? ear.gif
    Erik
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  • MalteMalte Registered Users Posts: 1,181 Major grins
    edited July 19, 2006
    Nope, not me. I would guess that they would reset it, but only if they replaced the shutter with a fresh one as part of the service.

    Malte
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 19, 2006
    replaced shutter would make sense - i don't think this one was, however. ne_nau.gif

    motivation behind this is curiosity anyway. EXIF is a pretty dark art as far as I'm concerned. There's all these fields that some cameras read, some programs read, some programs write, some fields that glow in the dark, some that only come out on the second friday of each month... you get the idea.
    :D
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  • claudermilkclaudermilk Registered Users Posts: 2,756 Major grins
    edited July 19, 2006
    If you want to see everything in the EXIF, take a look at Exiftool. It does the best job of extracting what's hidden in there that I've seen.
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  • VichVich Registered Users Posts: 78 Big grins
    edited July 19, 2006
    I had my 20D in service twice (both just for cleaning, calibration). Both times they updated the firmware level. Both times the counter got reset.
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  • MitchellMitchell Registered Users Posts: 3,503 Major grins
    edited July 19, 2006
    Erik,
    My understanding (from Nikon) is that they reset the number only after replacing the shutter. Any idea what service was performed prior to your purchase? Perhaps the shutter was replaced.ne_nau.gif
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 19, 2006
    Mitchell wrote:
    Erik,
    My understanding (from Nikon) is that they reset the number only after replacing the shutter. Any idea what service was performed prior to your purchase? Perhaps the shutter was replaced.ne_nau.gif
    That sounds right, but unfortunately, I don't know exactly what was done. The only question I really asked the seller at the time was "did it have the meter fix?" (known D2H issue). Besides that, i was just happy to get a good deal on a D2H that had any sort of servicing by Nikon before it was coming to me.

    but like I said, my real question here was how permanent the exif data actually is. Clearly the answer is - not that permanent.
    Erik
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  • erich6erich6 Registered Users Posts: 1,638 Major grins
    edited July 20, 2006
    Which field gives you the shutter actuation info? I've got the Canon 20D.

    Erich
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 20, 2006
    erich6 wrote:
    Which field gives you the shutter actuation info? I've got the Canon 20D.

    Erich
    If you downloaded the Opanda viewer from my first post, there should be a "total number of shutter release for camera" field. Although, maybe its different in Canon? Definitely need a good exif viewer, I've never seen this come up even in Adobe Bridge.
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  • hgernhardtjrhgernhardtjr Registered Users Posts: 417 Major grins
    edited July 20, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    If you downloaded the Opanda viewer from my first post, there should be a "total number of shutter release for camera" field. Although, maybe its different in Canon? Definitely need a good exif viewer, I've never seen this come up even in Adobe Bridge.

    Opanda does NOT give the actuation count of the Canon 20D or 30D. I have not been able to discover an actuation count with these two cameras using any software I have access to, although I am sure Canon Service has a way. Perhaps some programmer will figure out a method to display the 20D and 30D actuations if it is at all possible. Currently Canon actuation count is only available with the 1D series, and MAYBE for the 5D. Opanda will read and display the 1D actuations.
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  • erich6erich6 Registered Users Posts: 1,638 Major grins
    edited July 21, 2006
    hgernhardtjr wrote:
    Opanda does NOT give the actuation count of the Canon 20D or 30D. I have not been able to discover an actuation count with these two cameras using any software I have access to, although I am sure Canon Service has a way. Perhaps some programmer will figure out a method to display the 20D and 30D actuations if it is at all possible. Currently Canon actuation count is only available with the 1D series, and MAYBE for the 5D. Opanda will read and display the 1D actuations.

    Yeah, I downloaded the Opanda viewer and couldn't get the record tag for actuations. There are a few unlabeled records with tons of numbers. I googled this and basically nobody's been able to figure it out. What makes this more complicated is that some of the numbers are 8-bit some are 16-bit and you have to combine them in some MOD operation to even get a physically meaningful value. ne_nau.gif

    Eventually everyone gives up and says oh well...if/when the shutter gives out I'll worry about it then. I agree, but it would be useful to know if buying/selling a used camera.

    Erich

    P.S. The only thing I've been able to use is the continuous file numbering scheme with my 20D. I think it works like this: folder labels starts at 100 and each folder can hold 100 images so if you are at folder 248 with 66 images then the # of actuations should be 148*100+66 or 14,866.
  • JeffroJeffro Registered Users Posts: 1,941 Major grins
    edited July 21, 2006
    I have no idea how to count the total number of shutter activations on my 20D, or my Digital Rebel. For that matter I have no idea how to count the number of shutter activations on my Canon AE-1 program or Rebel XS either....uh oh! What will I do?ne_nau.gif
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  • claudermilkclaudermilk Registered Users Posts: 2,756 Major grins
    edited July 22, 2006
    rolleyes1.gifI don't get the shutter count fixation. Shoot until it breaks, that's what it's for.
    Chris
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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,962 moderator
    edited July 22, 2006
    claudermilk wrote:
    rolleyes1.gifI don't get the shutter count fixation. Shoot until it breaks, that's what it's for.

    If you are buying a second hand camera, it is nice to know the mileage. Same thing if you are selling one, as people will reasonably want to know.
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  • claudermilkclaudermilk Registered Users Posts: 2,756 Major grins
    edited July 23, 2006
    I can understand that, though you know that at best unless it's a 1-series it's a guess. What I don't get is people not intending to buy or sell getting fixated on it, which seems to be the majority asking.
    Chris
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  • aurhyneaurhyne Registered Users Posts: 2 Beginner grinner
    edited March 8, 2007
    How to use Opanda for Canon 1D Mark II actuations
    hgernhardtjr wrote:
    Currently Canon actuation count is only available with the 1D series, and MAYBE for the 5D. Opanda will read and display the 1D actuations.

    How do you use Opanda to read the shutter actuations for the Canon 1D Mark II? Any help is appreciated.
  • aurhyneaurhyne Registered Users Posts: 2 Beginner grinner
    edited March 9, 2007
    aurhyne wrote:
    How do you use Opanda to read the shutter actuations for the Canon 1D Mark II? Any help is appreciated.

    I got an e-mail from Opanda that states their product cannot determine shutter actuations for the Canon 1D series. The e-mail is below.

    Original Message
    From: Admin Opanda /COLOR][EMAIL="opandasoft@hotmail.com"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]mailto:opandasoft@hotmail.com[/COLOR][/U][/EMAIL][COLOR=#0000ff
    Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:15 PM
    To: AURHYNE
    Subject: RE: Canon 1D Mark II actuations
    Importance: High

    Canon don't put the actuation data into photo as a part of Exif information.
    So opanda can't read it out from Exif data. But some model of Nikon DSLR can.
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