A question of Art

martin-images

Photo to digital manipulation, is this art, would you buy a photo like this at large print size , just interested in your responces before i dive in to this type of work

Martin

AfterImage

Darn right I would and I am sure many other would too.
Have you ever seen some of the stuff they sell as "art" on the boardwalk, fairs, gift shops, or those hacky art stores in trendy shopping villages?

This is better.

Much.

Frog Lady

the colors are rich, the image is composed well. I doesn't look like a photo, but the angles are too crisp to think painting - but over all, I like it. Probably more as a poster type picture than a photographic print. So, yeah, go for it.

C.

Twisted Image

I agree...people would buy it. I love the variety of colors. That picture SCREAMS autumn..very nice

Elaine

martin-images wrote:

Photo to digital manipulation, is this art, would you buy a photo like this at large print size , just interested in your responces before i dive in to this type of work

Martin

This is beautiful. (I remember your monochrome work from another site - love that work too!) This kind of work done in each season would make a lovely collection. The colors are wonderful and I like how you can still see leafy shapes in the tree.

Elaine

gus

I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole. I cant stand this level of manipulation & then calling it art.

Just my opinion....dont anyone go losing the jam out of their donut over it.

Richard

AfterImage wrote:

Have you ever seen some of the stuff they sell as "art" on the boardwalk, fairs, gift shops, or those hacky art stores in trendy shopping villages?

Well, yes, and I'm afraid this is exactly what came to mind when I saw the pic. Mind you, that stuff does sell and the colors are nice. You might want to try printing it on something that would give it a bit of texture, which is sorely lacking here.

AfterImage

rsinmadrid wrote:

Well, yes, and I'm afraid this is exactly what came to mind when I saw the pic. Mind you, that stuff does sell and the colors are nice. You might want to try printing it on something that would give it a bit of texture, which is sorely lacking here.

I wonder if printing it on a canvas would help:

Martin-Images, please let me know if you want me to take this down.

Art Scott

Since your 'shopping that print....why add some sort of brush strokes and then print on a watercolor paper for actual texture as above ..... and yes this type of art sells well and i see no reason to not call it art (even if it isn't done by me )...but I would like royalties from all using my name for profit...:D

Good luck.

Allen Maestas

Art is art Martin, doesn't matter how it's created. Whether anyone will buy it, well you will never know until you try. I personally like it a lot, very nice.

Al

Photo_lady

My first reply on digrin.....
I have been doing a lot of "lurking" on this site, but this is the first post/reply. I absolutely love this effect!! I could stare at it all day, so therefore, yes, very much an item that would be purchased if offered for sale. It really is beautiful.
Jayne

Sam

I have watched this post for a few days to see what the responses would be like before posting mine. Personally I think the image, color, and PS treatment are a pleasant combination. It’s hard to tell from a small online image how it will print, but if it printed as well as it shows on my monitor I think it would look good hanging in the right spot.

Art may have more definitions, interpretations, and nuances than Andy has camera gear.

That said, a story: Last year I was at an upscale yuppie flea market, and there was one guy selling photos, so naturally I took a good look at his booth. His “normal” photos were not very good quality. I would categorize them more of a snapshot variety. The bulk of what he had for sale were cards, refrigerator magnets, smaller matted images. All were had heavily digital manipulation. It looked like some type of plastic filter. Pretty crude “in my opinion”. Yet people were buying this stuff?

In conclusion, I think there can be a big difference between art, what someone will like, and what sells. Look at the posts here, some like it, some don’t. Pretty much what you will find in the real world. If this is what you like, build up a portfolio, and offer them for sale. Then and only then will you know if they will sell.

Sam

kgarrett11

I really like this. And it is a whole bunch better than taking a picture of a church at night with a hand held camera and calling a bad picture "Art". This I would buy.

retro

ahh, so nowadays "ART" is bright pleasant colors and most important it has to sell well on the local market-day with a fake golden frame.
Back on step one.

oh well, i admire the true artists fighting it.

martin-images

retro wrote:

ahh, so nowadays "ART" is bright pleasant colors and most important it has to sell well on the local market-day with a fake golden frame.

oh well, i admire the true artists fighting it.

I am not stating that its Art just asking, we are in a digital era, the skill in this i suppose is seeing the subject as a way to manipulte to this type of work as all images dont work, the programm thats been used to create this effect is accepted by the Royal colledge of Art as an Art form in digital so I digital is working its way into into these areas, one only has to look at bricks stacked up in a pattern and its called art, where is the cut off point , Art is about continually finding new and individual ways of expression. The tools do not change the fact that art is unique, original and inspired by the artist

Martin

retro

martin-images wrote:

the programm thats been used to create this effect is accepted by the Royal colledge of Art

sorry i don't get it, a program is just a tool like different brushes for the traditional artist. Good art can be created with this program or with ms paint or with a hammer and a stone, that's not my point. I just think the word "art" is abused nowadays. What is art? Is art just a decoration?
Is art something more? Imho it is but the word "art" is so abused now i dont even want to pronounce it.

martin-images

retro wrote:

sorry i don't get it, a program is just a tool like different brushes for the traditional artist. Good art can be created with this program or with ms paint or with a hammer and a stone, that's not my point. I just think the word "art" is abused nowadays. What is art? Is art just a decoration?
Is art something more? Imho it is but the word "art" is so abused now i dont even want to pronounce it.

I see where your coming from, for me Art is in the eye of the beholder, but if a pile of bricks is whats called Art it does tend to question the word "Art",

Martin

retro

martin-images wrote:

I see where your coming from, for me Art is in the eye of the beholder, but if a pile of bricks is whats called Art it does tend to question the word "Art",

Martin

imho questioning things is an important part of some "art" probably starting with Goya.
"A pile of bricks" probably the "artist" is questioning the same things as we do right now...what is art..?

martin-images

retro wrote:

imho questioning things is an important part of some "art" probably starting with Goya.
"A pile of bricks" probably the "artist" is questioning the same things as we do right now...what is art..?

Very very true , to look upon a Ferrari is to look at a work of Art, the word goes beyond Painting, digital manipulation etc, its what one sees as Art to make it so and we all see it different thats whats good about it :

Martin

retro

sorry for the longwinded reply Martin, i like your image : ,it has nothing to do with that, thanks for a good interesting discussion :

martin-images

retro wrote:

sorry for the longwinded reply Martin, i like your image : ,it has nothing to do with that, thanks for a good interesting discussion :

No not longwinded just interesting to have others opinions on a question of Art, I enjoyed our chat as well :

Martin

www.digital-monochrome.com

martin-images

gus wrote:

I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole. I cant stand this level of manipulation & then calling it art.

Just my opinion....dont anyone go losing the jam out of their donut over it.

I did not say it was Art i was asking the question
May I ask why you would no touch it with a 10 pole lol, on the merits of a photo what do you think ? is it realy that bad, you know I was looking at David Hockney work the other week, I had taken a picture of salts mill , and later on veiwed a picture by Hockney from the same position, the colours where garish to say the least and the actual picture bore no resemblance to the scene, it looked to me like the work of a child in the way it was composed on the paper no correct scale, things totaly out of proportion etc, but just because he had hand painted it made it a work of Art, so manipulation had been caried out with his brushes to the extreme, would you not touch his type of work with a 10 foot pole ??, I think one has to be very open minded in any type of image be it Oil, water or digital, :

Martin

gus

martin-images wrote:

I did not say it was Art i was asking the question
May I ask why you would no touch it with a 10 pole lol, on the merits of a photo what do you think ? is it realy that bad, you know I was looking at David Hockney work the other week, I had taken a picture of salts mill , and later on veiwed a picture by Hockney from the same position, the colours where garish to say the least and the actual picture bore no resemblance to the scene, it looked to me like the work of a child in the way it was composed on the paper no correct scale, things totaly out of proportion etc, but just because he had hand painted it made it a work of Art, so manipulation had been caried out with his brushes to the extreme, would you not touch his type of work with a 10 foot pole ??, I think one has to be very open minded in any type of image be it Oil, water or digital, :

Martin

I dont have to be open minded about diddly squat mate....i find it absolute rubbish. You can call it what-ever you like. Please dont go asking for opinions if you then feel the need to question other peoples.

martin-images

gus wrote:

I dont have to be open minded about diddly squat mate....i find it absolute rubbish. You can call it what-ever you like. Please dont go asking for opinions if you then feel the need to change other peoples.

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Apart from being very rude, iI think your having a very bad day "MATE" you say rubbish your entitled to your opinion but it seems to me your no expert to give the above opinion, in no way am I trying to force my own opinions on anyone but your previous blank responce deserved another, I like this forum but people like you give it a bad taste through thoughtless comments like the two so far, lets see what "rubbish" you post next

gus

martin-images wrote:

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Apart from being very rude, iI think your having a very bad day "MATE" you say rubbish your entitled to your opinion but it seems to me your no expert to give the above opinion, in no way am I trying to force my own opinions on anyone but your previous blank responce deserved another, I like this forum but people like you give it a bad taste through thoughtless comments like the two so far, lets see wha rubbish you post next

Want a napkin for that pile of jam ?

martin-images

gus wrote:

Want a napkin for that pile of jam ?

"lets see what rubbish you post next"

HeHe he seems I can read you like a book

athos

gus wrote:

I dont have to be open minded about diddly squat mate....i find it absolute rubbish. You can call it what-ever you like. Please dont go asking for opinions if you then feel the need to question other peoples.

so you can give yours back but cant take any. you sound like a donkey variation

i hope you are shooting with a very old film slr with zero digital pp on your shots.

gus

athos wrote:

so you can give yours back but cant take any. you sound like a donkey variation

i hope you are shooting with a very old film slr with zero digital pp on your shots.

What do you mean by cant take any ? The poster wanted to know what people think...i told them & they didnt like my response. Im fine with that...some of you appear not to be.

athos

gus wrote:

What do you mean by cant take any ? The poster wanted to know what people think...i told them & they didnt like my response. Im fine with that...some of you appear not to be.

yes but then you say "he cant question any" responding opinions.

i dont think that is part of the deal. he politely responded to your opinion with his, but it seems you have to make up rules that say he has no right to.

in other words. you want to give but then cant take any.

you dont even have a clue as to waht you say.

gus

athos wrote:

yes but then you say "he cant question any" responding opinions.

i dont think that is part of the deal. he politely responded to your opinion with his, but it seems you have to make up rules that say he has no right to.

you dont even have a clue as to waht you say.

Everyone can say what they like...the fact that i dont like the photo is my opinion.

mghaner

Would I buy it??? NO ! Would others buy it? YES!! I know this as I have sold posturized prints of flowers. You could not tell that they were photos at all. They looked like paintings when mounted on a textured board. I would say that you print up a few and see what happens. On the screen they dont look anything like what they do printed and in a frame. I have found that Art is very much what one sees in the object. There are some very famous priceless pieces of "art" that look like something found in a pre-school class room. Not that there is anything wrong with that as whatever the piece is, if it brings joy or some wanted emotion to the one looking at it, well, art it is.....