Been shooting Hummingbirds again with 70-300mm G

Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
edited September 15, 2006 in Wildlife
I have a lot of Ruby Throated Hummingbirds (I think) around the house, but very seldom does the iridescent throat colors show up when I try to photograph them. For some reason yesterday was different.
These are hand held using my SunPak 383 set at one-half power. Hmmm, wonder if cutting the flash power had anything to do with the iridescent colors appearing? These were converted using PSE4, Shadows/Highlights, USM, and then cropped.
Nikon D50; Focal Length: 240mm; 1/400 sec - F/5.6; Lens: 70-300mm F/4-5.6 G; ISO 200

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  • kgarrett11kgarrett11 Registered Users Posts: 525 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Numbers 1 and 2 are great. Really sharp and the colors are briliant. Thanks for sharing.
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  • raptorcaptorraptorcaptor Registered Users Posts: 3,968 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Like the first two! thumb.gif You might want to white balance the background. It will make the colors in the hummers more crisp!
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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    The background is actually very close to what you see. It was sort of a shrimp color at one time, but is now quite faded, but it is not white.
  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Took the third photo, only changed WB setting to Flash before opening it in PSE4. Then I used the white eyedropper in Levels on the background. Not real sure what I am doing here. But this was the result.

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  • GraphyFotozGraphyFotoz Registered Users Posts: 2,267 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Incredible work! thumb.gifthumb.gif
    Wish I could capture these lil guys half as good!
    Tricky to get good shots of them....sometimes they are tame and sometimes the are quite skidish. ne_nau.gif
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  • David TaylorDavid Taylor Registered Users Posts: 146 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Wowclap.gif # 1 and 2 are fantastic. Not sure what happened to the 3rd. There's no catchlight in the eye and it looks a little cloudy which makes me suspicious that it may be injured, just a guess.

    We had plenty of them around here a few weeks ago, and very few since then. I love my hummers.
  • Dick on ArubaDick on Aruba Registered Users Posts: 3,484 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Very nice work Brooks. I like the 1st the most.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Wowclap.gif # 1 and 2 are fantastic. Not sure what happened to the 3rd. There's no catchlight in the eye and it looks a little cloudy which makes me suspicious that it may be injured, just a guess.

    We had plenty of them around here a few weeks ago, and very few since then. I love my love hummers.

    I thought the same thing when I first saw the picture on my monitor, but when I increase the image to about 200% what I see looks like a reflection of the sky with the clouds that were behind me, as well as the outline of a couple of trees across the street.
  • ballentphotoballentphoto Registered Users Posts: 312 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:
    I thought the same thing when I first saw the picture on my monitor, but when I increase the image to about 200% what I see looks like a reflection of the sky with the clouds that were behind me, as well as the outline of a couple of trees across the street.

    Are you familiar with this thread from DPReview?

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=18956906

    He takes some amazing images of those little guys, and you pics and setup reminds me of what Keith is doing.
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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2006
    Are you familiar with this thread from DPReview?

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=18956906

    He takes some amazing images of those little guys, and you pics and setup reminds me of what Keith is doing.

    That thread is by Keith.

    Keith and I have exchanged Emails, and I admire his work very much, but on my budget I realize I probably can't come close to what he is able to do. I have one old SunPak flash and a sub $150 70-300mm G lens. I'm hoping that next year I might be able to add a Nikon flash, which should help with the exposure, which I'm currently doing in full manual in trial and error mode, mostly error mode.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    Outstanding shots Brooks. clap.gif
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  • ballentphotoballentphoto Registered Users Posts: 312 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:
    That thread is by Keith.

    Keith and I have exchanged Emails, and I admire his work very much, but on my budget I realize I probably can't come close to what he is able to do. I have one old SunPak flash and a sub $150 70-300mm G lens. I'm hoping that next year I might be able to add a Nikon flash, which should help with the exposure, which I'm currently doing in full manual in trial and error mode, mostly error mode.

    Well you are doing a fantastic job so far thumb.gif My only critique would be that the background that you are using make it look like they may be in captivity with the white background, try to take the picture so that there is some sky and greenry in the background. The actual capturing the little guys is fantastic, just would prefer a more natural looking background :D. Keep up the great work.
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  • Awais YaqubAwais Yaqub Registered Users Posts: 10,572 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    these are wonderful
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  • MaestroMaestro Registered Users Posts: 5,395 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    Very nice captures! Excellent. Did you place some sort of linen or backdrop behind the hummer?
  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    That is the front of the house that you see behind the the birds. In some of my shots you can see the blue trim as in these two.

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    or this one where you can see some of the texture of the stucco
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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2006
    Well you are doing a fantastic job so far thumb.gif My only critique would be that the background that you are using make it look like they may be in captivity with the white background, try to take the picture so that there is some sky and greenry in the background. The actual capturing the little guys is fantastic, just would prefer a more natural looking background :D. Keep up the great work.

    Most of the time if they are not actually feeding they are sitting on the wires across the street. The only plant that I have that they regularly visit is a Palo Verde tree and is very hard to photograph them while they are in the tree. This is one I managed to capture just going in, but most of the time they are up in the top and either too high or too far into the tree.

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  • ForeheadForehead Registered Users Posts: 679 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    I'd have to get up pretty early in the morning--and get a much better camera, etc., than what I already have--to beat those shots!
    Steve-o
  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    Hi Steve-o
    Cottonwood, AZ, that is some beautiful country. It's been a few years since I have been in that neck of the woods. I pretty much grew up around Phoenix, graduated from Scottsdale High, which is now long gone. My Dad loved to go on picnics and we went to places like Jerome, Camp Verde, Cottonwood, Sedona, Montezua's Castle, Castle Hot Springs. One of my dreams is to one day move back to Arizona.
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,952 moderator
    edited September 14, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:

    These are hand held using my SunPak 383 set at one-half power. Hmmm, wonder if cutting the flash power had anything to do with the iridescent colors appearing?

    Hey Brooks - some great shots! I just wanted to throw up some info on that above question/comment. I guess I can't say for sure with all speedlights, but reducing the power also reduces the flash "time". Most high speed photography is actually done with the light set to 1/2 or even less power, as this makes the flash even "faster". So you get less light, but you freeze the action in even less time. Does that make sense?

    For example, lots of high speed fluid work in our lab was done with Nikon speedlights. based on fluid movement, i was able to roughly calculate the effective exposure time caused by the flash. So at full power, it takes about 1/1000 of a second for the flash to fire, but at lower power, you get an effective exposure of nearly 1/8000 - very good for freezing action.

    Don't know exactly how that effects colors, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Hey Brooks - some great shots! I just wanted to throw up some info on that above question/comment. I guess I can't say for sure with all speedlights, but reducing the power also reduces the flash "time". Most high speed photography is actually done with the light set to 1/2 or even less power, as this makes the flash even "faster". So you get less light, but you freeze the action in even less time. Does that make sense?

    For example, lots of high speed fluid work in our lab was done with Nikon speedlights. based on fluid movement, i was able to roughly calculate the effective exposure time caused by the flash. So at full power, it takes about 1/1000 of a second for the flash to fire, but at lower power, you get an effective exposure of nearly 1/8000 - very good for freezing action.

    Don't know exactly how that effects colors, but thought I'd throw it out there.
    I'm aware that reducing power is actually achieved by reducing the flash duration, resulting in an effective faster exposure. My thought was that maybe this faster exposure captured the feathers when they were oriented in such a way that they showed their iridescence. The slower flash might allow them sufficient time for them to orient in such a way as to not display the iridescence. Not sure, just speculating. Guess I'll play around with different power level and see what happens. Only problem is that at the lower levels the unit wants F/5.6 and my El-Cheapo lens supposedly isn't all that good at F/5.6, although the first came out pretty good at F/5.6.
  • ForeheadForehead Registered Users Posts: 679 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    You know, "A goal is a DREAM with a deadline".:D
    Brooks P wrote:
    Cottonwood, AZ, that is some beautiful country. It's been a few years since I have been in that neck of the woods. I pretty much grew up around Phoenix, graduated from Scottsdale High, which is now long gone. My Dad loved to go on picnics and we went to places like Jerome, Camp Verde, Cottonwood, Sedona, Montezua's Castle, Castle Hot Springs. One of my dreams is to one day move back to Arizona.
    Steve-o
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,952 moderator
    edited September 14, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:
    I'm aware that reducing power is actually achieved by reducing the flash duration, resulting in an effective faster exposure. My thought was that maybe this faster exposure captured the feathers when they were oriented in such a way that they showed their iridescence. The slower flash might allow them sufficient time for them to orient in such a way as to not display the iridescence. Not sure, just speculating. Guess I'll play around with different power level and see what happens. Only problem is that at the lower levels the unit wants F/5.6 and my El-Cheapo lens supposedly isn't all that good at F/5.6, although the first came out pretty good at F/5.6.
    Duration! Man, my explanation was horrible, I was struggling for the right word! lol3.gif

    Good speculations, anyway. One more comment: your el-cheapo lens is still a very good piece of Nikkor glass. I just picked one up for travel purposes. It also happens to be Thom Hogan's favorite for consumer grade Nikkor glass.
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  • Brooks PBrooks P Registered Users Posts: 190 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    I new exactly what you meant, no Problem.

    He has the "ED" version, I have the Plain-Jane "G" version. Still, I think for a lens that cost less than $150 it has produced some awesome results. Looking forward to some reviews on the new "VR version of this lens.
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,952 moderator
    edited September 14, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:
    Looking forward to some reviews on the new "VR version of this lens.
    Me too. nod.gif

    (Sorry for the hijack, back to hummers)
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  • MaestroMaestro Registered Users Posts: 5,395 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2006
    Brooks P wrote:
    That is the front of the house that you see behind the the birds. In some of my shots you can see the blue trim as in these two.

    62474328-L.jpg

    62474777-L.jpg

    or this one where you can see some of the texture of the stucco
    82764944-L-1.jpg

    Thanks. I was just wondering. These shots too are excellent!
  • stephiewilliamsstephiewilliams Registered Users Posts: 168 Major grins
    edited September 15, 2006
    Brooks - nice shots, great colors. You know I have this same lens and I have gotten a lot of flack...people saying from 200-300mm it is soft and not suitable for anything like wildlife but I think you are proof its the photographer not the gear. Great job!
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