what is a good entry digital slr model to buy??

wheresdavidwheresdavid Registered Users Posts: 297 Major grins
edited September 30, 2006 in Cameras
sorry, i am sure this has been asked before. i travel a lot and use a point and shoot digital, canon a610. i would like to upgrade to something where maybe one day i could get lucky and sell some of my fotos. before all you nay sayers hop in and say it aint possible ...is there a good entry model slr digital (is there such a thing) that i can get that takes decent pictures and doesnt cost a fortune, weigh a ton ..... any help will be greatly appreciated. I should have been more specific. I am looking to spend maybe between $1000-$13000. one problem is that i am currently traveling in south america and it si dificult to go into a store to see how they feel. i can though ask fellow travelers if i can try out their cameras. Wen i buy, i may have the camera sent to a friend who will coming down to visit me or i heard cameras are farely inexpensive in panama and i will be a cheap flight away from there. i have appriciated all the help so far. thanks and greetings from the amazon.:thumb :thumb

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  • botanistbotanist Registered Users Posts: 112 Major grins
    edited September 28, 2006
    sorry, i am sure this has been asked before. i travel a lot and use a point and shoot digital, canon a610. i would like to upgrade to something where maybe one day i could get lucky and sell some of my fotos. before all you nay sayers hop in and say it aint possible ...is there a good entry model slr digital (is there such a thing) that i can get that takes decent pictures and doesnt cost a fortune, weigh a ton ..... any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks and greetings from the amazon.thumb.gifthumb.gif

    Yes :):

    Canon Digi-Rebel is a great entry level camera.
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_eos350d.asp
    So is the Nikon D50.
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d50.asp


    And i'm selling a used D70 very affordably :): If you're interested I'll throw in a Sigma 28-90mm with the deal :D
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  • UT ScottUT Scott Registered Users Posts: 175 Major grins
    edited September 28, 2006
    I shoot with a D50 and love it! But something that you really should do (and will hear a lot) is to get to a camera store, any camera store, and pick up the cameras, see how they feel, check out the menus, and take a few shots!

    Good luck picking a new camera!
  • padupadu Registered Users Posts: 191 Major grins
    edited September 28, 2006
    I've chosen the Sony A100 and I'm loving it.
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  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited September 28, 2006
    padu wrote:
    I've chosen the Sony A100 and I'm loving it.
    Really!....I have so much about them feeling really CHEAP...not inexpensive..but CHEAP....unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on one...every camera store here (and there is only 2) only carry Nikon and Cannon....so no real choices in this town...however when I carried in my KM 7D to purcahse my used 70 - 200 2.8, there were several customers putting down the c & n's to test mine out and seemed to love it...now I wonder how many bought from Cameta Camera on ebay....:D
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  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Its been said & argued a 1000 times in here & all photographic forums. Dont worry about the brand (canon or nikon would always be my choice) but spend money on good quality lenses...they are a once off buy & will not limit you as your experience grows.
  • DifferentSeedDifferentSeed Registered Users Posts: 79 Big grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    I have the Sony A100 as well and am loving it. I've never had a Nikon or Canon, so I can't compare. I lamented over the "which one" decision for quite a while before settling on the Sony.

    The things that decided it for me: a) it's a Sony (their shit just generally works a long time, imho) and built on the long history of Konica Minolta; b) it has the features I wanted; c) it has built in image stabilization, which reduces the cost later in terms of lenses.

    The built in IS was the kicker and that did it for me based on what I wanted out of it and wanted to spend both initially and down the road on lenses. Given the numerous Konica Minolta Maxxum compatible lenses that were sold in the past 20 years (I read somewhere it was over 16 million!), and which are still being manufactured today by 3rd parties, I don't worry about having to buy "Sony" lenses and can opt for better quality without having to worry about IS -- it's built in :)

    Anyway, that's this DSLR newbie's 2 1/2 cents. :)
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  • claudermilkclaudermilk Registered Users Posts: 2,756 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    As has already been mentioned: Get to a store & pick up a few candidates to see which fits you better. My preference would be Canon & Nikon (in that order)--they are the 800lb gorillas in the industry with good reason. After that I'd probably look at Pentax. As a differing opinion, I'd personally avoid Sony where possible as they've been banking on old reputation too long; IMHO their stuff just doesn't last any more.

    Ultimately it's the lens that makes the most difference. Remember: the lens creates the image, the body captures the image. Nikon and Canon have long-standing reputations as the class of the field here.
  • padupadu Registered Users Posts: 191 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Some very important factors in my decision for sony:

    - I can use my set of minolta mount lenses. They are not exceptional quality, but I didn't want to spend more money on top of the camera to buy new glasses
    - Say what you say, it is a minolta. I have a minolta and it is veeeery reliable (I've skydived with my maxxum for more than 6 years and never had a glitch)
    - 10MP
    - SteadyShot
    - The overal grip. it is very confortable
    - 2.5" LCD, very bright


    After a month owning it, a few things that I don't like:
    - Everybody talks canon and nikon (therefore easier to find stuff for them)
    - compared to nikon and canon, noise at high ISO is worse. for my tastes, I don't care much (I never had a need to shoot with films faster than 400 in the past... so there)


    It is natural that people will try to defend the brand they have. Since there are lots of nikon and canon owners, they will dis the new sony even never having carried one.
    by Art Scott
    Really!....I have so much about them feeling really CHEAP...not inexpensive..but CHEAP....unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on one...every camera store here (and there is only 2) only carry Nikon and Cannon....so no real choices in this town...however when I carried in my KM 7D to purcahse my used 70 - 200 2.8, there were several customers putting down the c & n's to test mine out and seemed to love it...now I wonder how many bought from Cameta Camera on ebay....:D

    Since you are a 7D owner, I assume you have already seen a 5D. There is not much difference from the 5D and the A100. To tell you the truth, from the pictures, it is very similar to the 7D as well. I have a friend that told me to buy a canon, I went to the store and tried. It really seemed plasticky and too light for my tastes. That felt cheap.
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  • ballentphotoballentphoto Registered Users Posts: 312 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Art Scott wrote:
    Really!....I have so much about them feeling really CHEAP...not inexpensive..but CHEAP....unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on one...every camera store here (and there is only 2) only carry Nikon and Cannon....so no real choices in this town...however when I carried in my KM 7D to purcahse my used 70 - 200 2.8, there were several customers putting down the c & n's to test mine out and seemed to love it...now I wonder how many bought from Cameta Camera on ebay....:D

    I have held a Sony and I am sure that it is a fine photographic machine. My concern is that down the road Sony will do something like force the use of something more proprietary to force the use of more Sony product. They have done it in the past and just seem to have a knack to foul perfectly good products ne_nau.gif I really hope that the Sony does take off, just to give Nikon and Canon a run for their money. It's better for all of us in the long run. Just do not pick up one of the pro level DSLR, you will lust over one hehehe and everything else will not feel the same mwink.gif

    As far which one would be best for you, only you really can decide that... the big two are the safe bet, since every one sells third party products that will support them. You never mentioned what your budget is so pretty much if you are starving student then a D50 or 350D could be good (used market could be an option too), if you are an heir to a huge fortune then I would recommend a Hassleblad deal.gif :ivar bwahahahaha
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  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    padu wrote:
    Some very important factors in my decision for sony:

    - I can use my set of minolta mount lenses. They are not exceptional quality, but I didn't want to spend more money on top of the camera to buy new glasses
    - Say what you say, it is a minolta. I have a minolta and it is veeeery reliable (I've skydived with my maxxum for more than 6 years and never had a glitch)
    - 10MP
    - SteadyShot
    - The overal grip. it is very confortable
    - 2.5" LCD, very bright


    After a month owning it, a few things that I don't like:
    - Everybody talks canon and nikon (therefore easier to find stuff for them)
    - compared to nikon and canon, noise at high ISO is worse. for my tastes, I don't care much (I never had a need to shoot with films faster than 400 in the past... so there)


    It is natural that people will try to defend the brand they have. Since there are lots of nikon and canon owners, they will dis the new sony even never having carried one.



    Since you are a 7D owner, I assume you have already seen a 5D. There is not much difference from the 5D and the A100. To tell you the truth, from the pictures, it is very similar to the 7D as well. I have a friend that told me to buy a canon, I went to the store and tried. It really seemed plasticky and too light for my tastes. That felt cheap.

    The A100 is a fine camera and it has excellent IQ. If I had Minolta glass it would be a no brainer to go with the A100.

    However if I was starting fresh I would opt for a Nikon or a Canon. Their DSLR systems are more complete and offer more options. In body AS and anti-dust are just hype to me. The best AS, IS or VR is a good tripod. I have yet to see where any anti-dust tech to be completely successful and sooner or later you will go to a blower and/or swabs to clean your sensor (a 2 minute opertaion BTW).

    Right now a big selling point for the A100 is that you save mony with the AS in the body and will save $ on lenses. However the Sony 70-200 2.8 and the Sony 50mm 1.4 lenses are priced much, much higher than its Canon and Nikon counterparts. You also have to take into consideration Sony's long pricing history of selling its accessories for higher prices than other makers.

    At this point I don't see the Sony DSLR as a more viable option than other entry level DSLR. Hopefully down the road Sony will flesh out its system and offer more competitve prices for its accessories. Until that time I would hold off on them if I was starting out.
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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    FWIW, you can still buy a Canon 20D new for less than a thou$and.

    A really fine camera. nod.gif
  • DifferentSeedDifferentSeed Registered Users Posts: 79 Big grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Harryb wrote:
    However if I was starting fresh I would opt for a Nikon or a Canon. Their DSLR systems are more complete and offer more options. In body AS and anti-dust are just hype to me. The best AS, IS or VR is a good tripod.
    Heh, it may just be hype, but for those of us (again, it's dependant on someone's needs) who don't carry tripods or plan things (I just take my camera with me everywhere and shoot whatever I like when I like) then the IS is a great addition. I have turned it off once, to test my hand steadiness. All I discovered was that I could never be a surgeon! And I turned it back on.
    Harryb wrote:
    I have yet to see where any anti-dust tech to be completely successful and sooner or later you will go to a blower and/or swabs to clean your sensor (a 2 minute opertaion BTW).
    That wasnt' really a selling feature for me. Figured it was bogus and I'll order one of those Copperhill cleaning solutions one of these days :)
    Harryb wrote:
    Right now a big selling point for the A100 is that you save mony with the AS in the body and will save $ on lenses. However the Sony 70-200 2.8 and the Sony 50mm 1.4 lenses are priced much, much higher than its Canon and Nikon counterparts.
    I haven't looked at comparible lens prices for Canon or Nikon, so I can't say, but there's no shortage of new and used lenses with Maxxum mounts :)
    Harryb wrote:
    You also have to take into consideration Sony's long pricing history of selling its accessories for higher prices than other makers.
    True, they're pretty steep -- again why I have been hunting down minolta or sigma lenses and minolta 5D & 7D accessories on ebay and the like saving 20-40% (on average) off Sony's lens and accessory prices for new equipment.

    I was concerned that Sony might change the mount for a subsequent version, but they'd be shooting themselves if they did. People, and 3rd party manufacturers, have already adopted the mount. Perhaps I'll eat my words in 2 years, but in 2 years I'm sure I'll have my eye on some 26MB wonder that fits on my keychain or something rolleyes1.gif

    Just ask yourself, assuming you're able to go hold and touch and play with them all as I did, "Do I like how this feels?" and "Can I work with these menus and controls". In the end your opinion is the only one that matters :)
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  • wheresdavidwheresdavid Registered Users Posts: 297 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    is your camera still available
    sounds like a good camera. two questions, can youuse a compact flash card??? 2) where did you live in chigago?? i am currnetly in the amazon but i may have a friend coming from the chicago area to visit me.

    thanks

    dave

    botanist wrote:
    Yes :):

    Canon Digi-Rebel is a great entry level camera.
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_eos350d.asp
    So is the Nikon D50.
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d50.asp


    And i'm selling a used D70 very affordably :): If you're interested I'll throw in a Sigma 28-90mm with the deal :D
    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=43150
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Just ask yourself, assuming you're able to go hold and touch and play with them all as I did, "Do I like how this feels?" and "Can I work with these menus and controls". In the end your opinion is the only one that matters :)


    That's the best way to make your decision. If the camera feels right then that's the camera for you.
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  • erich6erich6 Registered Users Posts: 1,638 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    I own Canon but I like to think I'm not biased. I've been happy with every Canon camera I've had but I know there are other excellent options out there. (I really liked my dad's old 35 mm Minolta SLR).

    I personally did NOT like the Sony A100. The feel was all wrong for me and it felt more "plastic cheap" than the Canon Digital Rebel. The shutter seemed like it wouldn't last very long. Maybe it was a bad copy but I've heard the same comments by others.

    I've also heard that the image stabilization (IS) in-camera is not as good as IS in the lens. I can imagine several reasons why (most likely not as many degrees of freedom to optimize focus/line-of-sight) but I don't know for sure.

    Like others stated, look for which ones feel the best to you and look at the lens options each will offer. Canon has one of the most extensive variety of lenses (either made for them or Tamron/Sigma/Tokina for Canon mounts).

    Erich
  • kini62kini62 Registered Users Posts: 441 Major grins
    edited September 29, 2006
    Based on your budget of 1000-1300 I'd go for the Pentax K100.

    6mp, great high ISO, nice AF with the best layout of any in it's and the next level class, it also has built in IS. Pentax calls it SR.

    The camera is about $600 with the 18-55 kit lens, which is reported to be quite nice for the price and has a metal lens mount unlike the C and N plastic mounts.

    The 55-200 makes for a nice zoom for the price. Neither lens is fast, so for sports it might not work so well, but with the built in IS/SR you get a couple of stops of usability over the C & N counterpart kit lenses.

    Plus the K100 goes to ISO 3200. D50 and Rebel go to 1600.

    You could get the K100, 2 kit lenses, a flash, a 50/1.4 and a nice bag and monopod and still be within your budget.

    It's the camera I would buy if I were buying my first DSLR.

    Gene
  • mwgricemwgrice Registered Users Posts: 383 Major grins
    edited September 30, 2006
    kini62 wrote:
    Based on your budget of 1000-1300 I'd go for the Pentax K100.

    6mp, great high ISO, nice AF with the best layout of any in it's and the next level class, it also has built in IS. Pentax calls it SR.

    The camera is about $600 with the 18-55 kit lens, which is reported to be quite nice for the price and has a metal lens mount unlike the C and N plastic mounts.

    The 55-200 makes for a nice zoom for the price. Neither lens is fast, so for sports it might not work so well, but with the built in IS/SR you get a couple of stops of usability over the C & N counterpart kit lenses.

    Plus the K100 goes to ISO 3200. D50 and Rebel go to 1600.

    You could get the K100, 2 kit lenses, a flash, a 50/1.4 and a nice bag and monopod and still be within your budget.

    It's the camera I would buy if I were buying my first DSLR.

    Gene

    Personally I'm waiting to hear a little more about the Pentax K10D, which is coming out shortly. It's priced a little higher than the K100, in the same range as the Sony A100 or the new Canon 400D/Digital Rebel/whatever they're calling it. Like the A100 and the K100, it has anti-shake built into the body and weather-sealing. Also, you can use most (all?) Pentax lenses with it.

    By the time reviews start coming out for the K10D, I'll be able to afford one. If it doesn't look as appealing to me, then I probably buy the 400D.
  • claudermilkclaudermilk Registered Users Posts: 2,756 Major grins
    edited September 30, 2006
    padu wrote:
    Some very important factors in my decision for sony:

    - I can use my set of minolta mount lenses. They are not exceptional quality, but I didn't want to spend more money on top of the camera to buy new glasses
    - Say what you say, it is a minolta. I have a minolta and it is veeeery reliable (I've skydived with my maxxum for more than 6 years and never had a glitch)
    - 10MP
    - SteadyShot
    - The overal grip. it is very confortable
    - 2.5" LCD, very bright


    After a month owning it, a few things that I don't like:
    - Everybody talks canon and nikon (therefore easier to find stuff for them)
    - compared to nikon and canon, noise at high ISO is worse. for my tastes, I don't care much (I never had a need to shoot with films faster than 400 in the past... so there)


    It is natural that people will try to defend the brand they have. Since there are lots of nikon and canon owners, they will dis the new sony even never having carried one.
    <snip>

    Already owning KM gear, it makes sense for you. I have no bias against KM--I have Maxxum gear from back when they just called themselves Minolta, and it still works fine if I were to drag it out. However, I share the opinion that Sony is very good at botching up perfectly good products; grabbing KM gear while it's readily available is probably a good idea.

    So let's see, if I knee-jerk defend every camera manufactuer's gear I have, I'll have to be siding with Olympus, Minolta, Nikon, Canon, Mamiya, Holga (heh), Tokina, and possibly Pentax. Doesn't leave much for me to dis out of hand. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >D
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