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Invitation to play and crop

cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
edited March 3, 2004 in Technique
Two images from the harbour at Cannes. The first shows the working part at dusk and the second shows some folks headed back to their yacht in some choppy water. I like both subjects but the images just don't do the trick. Thus this invitation to play with the images. (as per usual click the image to get the larger jpeg)

ISO Speed: 200
Aperture: f8.0
Shutter: 1/500
Focal Length (mm): 400

cannes02oct128dusk_s.jpg

ISO Speed: 200
Aperture: f8.0
Shutter: 1/500
Focal Length (mm): 400

cannes02oct182boat_s.jpg
Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph

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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited February 16, 2004
    A very quick attempt... off to work.

    2424417-L.jpg
    Sid.
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 16, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    A very quick attempt... off to work.
    That's an interesting thought and certainly helps direct the attention.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    mystic7mystic7 Registered Users Posts: 51 Big grins
    edited February 27, 2004
    Hope this is what you had in mind for this picture.
    M7
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    mystic7mystic7 Registered Users Posts: 51 Big grins
    edited February 27, 2004
    Or perhaps more in keeping with the time of day
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    DeaconDeacon Registered Users Posts: 239 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2004
    Change focus..
    Cropped to what I thought was the most visual and focused on the vertical elements.
    2597272-L.jpg


    Deacon
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2004
    mystic7 wrote:
    Hope this is what you had in mind for this picture.
    M7
    The cropping is ok but the dusk and the sky colors are lost bncry.gif
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2004
    Deacon wrote:
    Cropped to what I thought was the most visual and focused on the vertical elements.
    Deacon
    Very nice crop and you did preserve some of the color... maybe try lightening the bottom but leave the rich setting-sun colors at the top to keep more
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2004
    Good crop, Deacon, I hadn't seen that one. thumb.gif

    cmr, where ya been? Missed ya.
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    Good crop, Deacon, I hadn't seen that one. thumb.gif

    cmr, where ya been? Missed ya.
    In the midst of moving from Waltham Ma. (USA) to Sommerville so not as much time to play :(
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    Used LAB color to add sunset drama
    2612452-M.jpg
    Cropped, steepened the LAB curves, sharpened on the L channel.
    If not now, when?
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
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    More LAB moves: move boad hull to neutral to remove cast, sharpen curves to bring up contract in the hills and water, sharpen on L channel. I liked the hills and especially the concave bowl, so my crop included these. I hope that the LAB steepening makes the hills more interesting.
    If not now, when?
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    2612452-M.jpg
    Cropped, steepened the LAB curves, sharpened on the L channel.

    I like what you did to the sky. Next step is to bring the foreground to the proper level of brightness/saturation.
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    Cropped, steepened the LAB curves, sharpened on the L channel.
    Not bad. How about a little more foreground water and a little more lightening of the foreground
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    More LAB moves: move boad hull to neutral to remove cast, sharpen curves to bring up contract in the hills and water, sharpen on L channel. I liked the hills and especially the concave bowl, so my crop included these. I hope that the LAB steepening makes the hills more interesting.
    Good stuff. I keep thinking there must be someway to include the owner's dingy but it is too well masked by the choppy sea.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    Not bad. How about a little more foreground water and a little more lightening of the foreground
    Once again, LAB curves are the quick fix. It's easy to lighten the overly dark parts of the shot with the L curve, while adding even more contrast to the sky. Since the picture falls neatly into dark and light sections the L curve looks seep on the end, but flat in the middle.

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    If not now, when?
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    And then, just for fun, moved to CMYK to reestablish shawdows. This might be hard to see on a monitor, but I think it would matter in a print.
    2620115-M.jpg
    If not now, when?
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 29, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    Once again, LAB curves are the quick fix. It's easy to lighten the overly dark parts of the shot with the L curve, while adding even more contrast to the sky. Since the picture falls neatly into dark and light sections the L curve looks seep on the end, but flat in the middle.
    Playing with light is what makes it all fun isn't it. You are in the Boston area but I don't see any info in your profile. Some of us who ride get together sometimes and JimF and I have done a photo afternoon together at the Museum of industry.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited March 1, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    Playing with light is what makes it all fun isn't it. You are in the Boston area but I don't see any info in your profile. Some of us who ride get together sometimes and JimF and I have done a photo afternoon together at the Museum of industry.
    Hi Charles,

    wanna crop?:D
    website
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited March 1, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    Hi Charles,

    wanna crop?:D
    Sure, but do you have a bigger image to work with? If you can't put it up on smugmug or somewhere, then email it to me.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited March 1, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    In the midst of moving from Waltham Ma. (USA) to Sommerville so not as much time to play :(
    Oh boy Charles... you have my sympathy. Betcha didn't realize how much "stuff" you have.:D
    Lynn
    website
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    SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited March 1, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    Hi Charles,

    wanna crop?:D
    OK, here is a quick crop.
    www.samlinvillephotography.com
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited March 1, 2004
    Did somebody say 'crop'?
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
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    kometkomet Registered Users Posts: 117 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2004
    The above images of the building by Sam and Wxwax are kind of apples and oranges...depending on desired emphasis and effect....they both have merit. It would be difficult to say one looks better than the other without defining the parameters of the desired goal. Can someone define the goals of cropping? No doubt, it helps to have a large target to begin with........no?
    komet gives light so that you may find the way.
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2004
    komet wrote:
    The above images of the building by Sam and Wxwax are kind of apples and oranges...depending on desired emphasis and effect....they both have merit. It would be difficult to say one looks better than the other without defining the parameters of the desired goal. Can someone define the goals of cropping? No doubt, it helps to have a large target to begin with........no?
    Allow me to add a tangerine.
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2004
    komet wrote:
    The above images of the building by Sam and Wxwax are kind of apples and oranges...depending on desired emphasis and effect....they both have merit. It would be difficult to say one looks better than the other without defining the parameters of the desired goal. Can someone define the goals of cropping? No doubt, it helps to have a large target to begin with........no?

    Well, I think the point of the shot is the small, old building to the left. It's an interesting contrast to the tall, modern buildings which surround it. Unfortunately, the light doesn't help tell the story. So you crop the house into a powerful position (on a third) and keep the shot vertical, to emphasize the tall buildings.
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
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    cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    Well, I think the point of the shot is the small, old building to the left. It's an interesting contrast to the tall, modern buildings which surround it. Unfortunately, the light doesn't help tell the story. So you crop the house into a powerful position (on a third) and keep the shot vertical, to emphasize the tall buildings.
    My concepts were more along the lines of...
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
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    kometkomet Registered Users Posts: 117 Major grins
    edited March 3, 2004
    It's amazing the different perspectives to be gained from the above experimentations...they are all good...just different.
    komet gives light so that you may find the way.
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