70-200 + 2xTC vs. 100-400

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  • marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    DoctorIt wrote:

    So now we're dealing with the same speed at the long end.
    ne_nau.gif
    Just to let you know, it's not so much as same speed at the long end as it is same speed at everything but the wide end. I believe the 100-400 goes to 5.6 at 101mm. Oh, and that 100-400 that the luminous landscape guy tests. A lot of people say that is a loaded lens since almost nobody else's is nearly as good.
    Richard
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited January 23, 2005
    Humungus wrote:

    Oh god i am becoming so ill.


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    Uh huh... you need to buy a dslr soon or you are going to read yourself into a coma. You already know more about them than I do!

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  • patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    fish wrote:
    My personal opinion is that the 70-200/2.8L IS with a 1.4 or 2x extension is a MUCH more flexible option than the 100-400L IS.

    That is the option I went with and same reasoning. I knew I wanted the 70-200 and it would be used alone the majority of the time. The few situations I might need more lens I would add the 1.4, still faster than the 100-400 and the 70-200 still performs well in bright light. The 2x is for rare use, but there if I have to have a long lens. I rarely use the 2.0 (both actually). I did use the 1.4 at Road Atlanta during a motorcycle race and it worked well. I am waiting for wxwax to break down and buy the 400/2.8 IS, so I can borrow it. naughty.gifumph.gif
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    Just to let you know, it's not so much as same speed at the long end as it is same speed at everything but the wide end. I believe the 100-400 goes to 5.6 at 101mm. Oh, and that 100-400 that the luminous landscape guy tests. A lot of people say that is a loaded lens since almost nobody else's is nearly as good.
    Richard
    My 100-400L went to 5.6 at around 300mm and was really sharp.

    I used it for 5 years and sold it after buying the 70-200 IS 2.8L
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
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  • luckyrweluckyrwe Registered Users Posts: 952 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    Once you have that 2.8 it is so hard to go back.
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    luckyrwe wrote:
    Once you have that 2.8 it is so hard to go back.
    well the 400 f4 DO or the 500 f4L are next .... but the money umph.gif
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    luckyrwe wrote:
    Once you have that 2.8 it is so hard to go back.

    totally agree! the d.o. is nice for traveling and such, but it just doesn't compare to that 70-200 f/2.8L deal.gif

    i didn't use my lead pipe much on the 20d / 10d, but i like it a lot on the full-framer now :D
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    Sigma? vs Canon?
    What do you all think of the Sigma? With the IS and the 2.8? I can't afford, really can't, to go over 1000.00, including an extension, that (the Sigma and extension) would put me over by 100.00. I would think about it, but only if I feel first class!

    So, instead of the Canon, what do you all think, if you ever did, of the Sigma, with the same features as the 70-200 Canon, IS and all?

    ginger

    Am leaving to check out some wetlands, I would love to know what you all think. re the lens es.
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    ginger_55 wrote:
    What do you all think of the Sigma? With the IS and the 2.8?
    Sigma has image stabilization? headscratch.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
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  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    fish wrote:
    Sigma has image stabilization? headscratch.gif
    I have read it over the last few days...think its only the 70-200 though. will try & find it again.
  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    Optical Stabalization they call it fish...similar to VR..IS
  • wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    Curse you, goose. I was happily waiting to never be able to afford a 400 2.8, I knew it and had accepted it. Now you have me looking at the Sigma 50-500 and the Canon 100-400, even they're they're slow. Curse you.
    Sid.
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  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    wxwax wrote:
    Curse you, goose. I was happily waiting to never be able to afford a 400 2.8, I knew it and had accepted it. Now you have me looking at the Sigma 50-500 and the Canon 100-400, even they're they're slow. Curse you.
    no...no...no....you really need that 400 2.8. deal.gif
  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    ginger_55 wrote:
    What do you all think of the Sigma? With the IS and the 2.8? I can't afford, really can't, to go over 1000.00, including an extension, that (the Sigma and extension) would put me over by 100.00. I would think about it, but only if I feel first class!

    So, instead of the Canon, what do you all think, if you ever did, of the Sigma, with the same features as the 70-200 Canon, IS and all?

    ginger

    Am leaving to check out some wetlands, I would love to know what you all think. re the lens es.
    Ginger...im my lens induced late night net crawlings i found these if you are interested. All are sigma 70-200



    http://www.pbase.com/image/23829966
    http://www.pbase.com/image/25927453
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23411735
    http://www.pbase.com/image/25558336
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23249398
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23974858

    Here are some with a 2x converter:
    http://www.pbase.com/image/24139082
    http://www.pbase.com/image/25928473

    Four handheld pictures at f2.8:
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23399814
    http://www.pbase.com/image/24035390
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23400186
    http://www.pbase.com/image/24035312
  • marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    cmr164 wrote:
    My 100-400L went to 5.6 at around 300mm and was really sharp.

    I used it for 5 years and sold it after buying the 70-200 IS 2.8L
    Hmm....I've been given some misinfo about aperature.
  • marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    My problem with the sigma is it wouldn't focus properly with my dRebel.
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    I thought they did, but I don't see any now. This whole lens thing has gotten out of hand.

    I need a lens that will shoot to 400 better than the one I have now shoots to 300. I was going to get the same lens Lynn did, but that really doesn't make sense for me, as I have one I like that goes to 135, what I need is a long lens, so I have gone from a price of a little over 500 to about 1500. I can't afford that.

    Back to the drawing board. If any of you know of a decent lens that shoots 400, please let me know............oh, under 1000.00 dollars.

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    How about the 400 f/5.6? It's slightly over $1000, but only by $50.
    Richard
  • luckyrweluckyrwe Registered Users Posts: 952 Major grins
    edited January 23, 2005
    My 400/5.6 is the sharpest lens that I have. I am surprised at the quality of a "slower" lens here.
  • BrianJRBrianJR Registered Users Posts: 6 Beginner grinner
    edited January 26, 2005
    ginger_55 wrote:
    Back to the drawing board. If any of you know of a decent lens that shoots 400, please let me know............oh, under 1000.00 dollars.

    ginger
    Hi Ginger. I'm not sure if this lens has been mentioned yet, but one lens that fits your criteria is the Sigma 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 OS:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=263438&is=REG

    I was considering this lens when I was in the market for a telezoom. Apparently it has fairly good optics, and it also has Sigma's version of image stabilization (OS). Here is a link to a thread on the FM forums that discuss the telezoom options (Canon 100-400, Sigma 50-500, Sigma 80-400):

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/142771

    In the end, I chose the Canon 100-400L and I couldn't be happier. I bought it used off of FM for around $1100 (mint condition, 1 year old). It is decently sharp wide open, and with IS it makes it hand holdable to shutter speeds of 1/125sec at 400mm. I haven't had any problems with slow focusing either, but I've never used a really fast lens either so maybe I don't know what I'm missing.

    But be warned, all long telezooms are heavy (>3lbs) and it can be challenging holding them for a long period of time. I would suggest a monopod if you find the weight too much (I had a sore back the first week I had mine!)

    Hope that helps!
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