New Nikon D3

kygardenkygarden Registered Users Posts: 1,060 Major grins
edited May 24, 2007 in Cameras
Probably old news by now, but the folks over at Nikonians have already updated their D1/D2 forum to reflect D1/D2/D3...and there's a post with the following speculation/rumors of the new camera...
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Reports of a full frame (1.1X sensor) prototype being tested were getting stale; however, with apologies for the delay, our intelligence sources in the heart of Japan have confirmed it:

New Model denomination: D3, most likely D3H
Sensor Manufacturer: Either Sony (most likely) or Nikon
Megapixel rating: in the 18MP to 20MP range
Expected announcement date: March 2007, at PMA
Likely availability in store shelves around the world: October 2007 Surprise Feature: DX format high FPS rate High Speed Crop Mode
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So we shall see - soon...
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  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2007
    Sounds like wishful thinking to me. I wouldn't expect any significant update from Nikon until the end of the year. The 18-20 MP sounds like the hopeful upgrade of the D2X not the H series.

    The D2H series has been known for speed. I don't see that with 18-20 MP files. 10-12 MP sounds more likely
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  • kygardenkygarden Registered Users Posts: 1,060 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2007
    Supposedly the new camera will work with the DX series lenses at a reduced resolution and higher speed...but use the traditional lenses for full frame operation at full resolution....that's what I saw in that thread I think.

    It just seems curious that they already changed the forum to show it's for the D3 series camera discussion....so either they're being risky or they do know something.
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  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2007
    kygarden wrote:
    Supposedly the new camera will work with the DX series lenses at a reduced resolution and higher speed...but use the traditional lenses for full frame operation at full resolution....that's what I saw in that thread I think.

    It just seems curious that they already changed the forum to show it's for the D3 series camera discussion....so either they're being risky or they do know something.

    The rumors are that it will have a 1.13 sensor too. Again it sounds like an upgrade of the X line and not the H line. The rumors are coming hot and heavy now so something may be in the works. Myself, I'm eagerly awaiting an upgrade of the H line.
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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,078 moderator
    edited February 28, 2007
    Ooooh, is this it? All curvy and everything?

    nikonD5.JPG

    Then again, this one is from 2004:
    D3.jpg
    http://apphotnum.free.fr/N2BE27.html
    http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/23/nikon-striking-back-with-the-d3-a-new-15-megapixel-digital/

    But this was scooped months ago:
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=18521463&page=1

    Maybe we should just wait? mwink.gif
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  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited February 28, 2007
    kygarden wrote:
    Supposedly the new camera will work with the DX series lenses at a reduced resolution and higher speed...but use the traditional lenses for full frame operation at full resolution....that's what I saw in that thread I think.

    I haven't been a Nikon shooter in many year so I don't know the current line very well. None-the-less this doesn't seem very likely. Crop bodies have a smaller mirror and shutter than full frame which are part of what makes them faster than full frame. Also, at least in the Canon camp, EF-S lenses (the ones targeted at 1.6 crop bodies) do not provide enough clearance for the 1.3 crop or full frame mirror. I was expecting Canon to announce a third mount targeted at 1.3 crop bodies, but with the simultaneous release of the full frame 16-35mm lens and the 1DmIII it looks like Canon APS-H users will have to make due with full frame lenses for quite a while to come.

    Trying to cram both high resolution full frame and faster crop shooting into the same body might make sense when targeting hobbyists, but the compromises involved don't make sense for pros who typically know what they want.
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  • ballentphotoballentphoto Registered Users Posts: 312 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2007
    LiquidAir wrote:
    I haven't been a Nikon shooter in many year so I don't know the current line very well. None-the-less this doesn't seem very likely. Crop bodies have a smaller mirror and shutter than full frame which are part of what makes them faster than full frame. Also, at least in the Canon camp, EF-S lenses (the ones targeted at 1.6 crop bodies) do not provide enough clearance for the 1.3 crop or full frame mirror. I was expecting Canon to announce a third mount targeted at 1.3 crop bodies, but with the simultaneous release of the full frame 16-35mm lens and the 1DmIII it looks like Canon APS-H users will have to make due with full frame lenses for quite a while to come.

    Trying to cram both high resolution full frame and faster crop shooting into the same body might make sense when targeting hobbyists, but the compromises involved don't make sense for pros who typically know what they want.

    There was a Canon body that shot at 10FPS and it was film (I do not remember the name of that camera though) So there would be no reason that a FF DSLR could not shoot at 10FPS other than the throughput available on the camera body for the amount of data generated. So mechanically there is no reason that it cannot be done on a FF sensor.

    To add to the Nikon rumor mill :D a D40x is supposed to come out too. 10MP to boot sheesh. headscratch.gif
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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,078 moderator
    edited March 2, 2007
    ballentphoto wrote:
    There was a Canon body that shot at 10FPS and it was film (I do not remember the name of that camera though) So there would be no reason that a FF DSLR could not shoot at 10FPS other than the throughput available on the camera body for the amount of data generated. So mechanically there is no reason that it cannot be done on a FF sensor.

    To add to the Nikon rumor mill :D a D40x is supposed to come out too. 10MP to boot sheesh. headscratch.gif

    Canon does have the film based EOS 1V, and when you add the "Power Drive Booster" to it, it can shoot at 10FPS.

    While that would seem to suggest that a digital equivalent is obvious, do not assume that film-based SLRs and dSLRs are the same. There are considerable differences in design considerations that would affect each differently.

    The focus systems are similar, but not the same, and the exposure systems are quite different.
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  • RedSoxRedSox Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited March 2, 2007
    If this is true. What is Nikon going to do with their Pro grade DX lens? These cannot be used on 1.13 'FF' camera right?

    Eric
  • ballentphotoballentphoto Registered Users Posts: 312 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2007
    RedSox wrote:
    If this is true. What is Nikon going to do with their Pro grade DX lens? These cannot be used on 1.13 'FF' camera right?

    Eric

    Current thinking is that they would detect that you have put in a DX lens and it would go into High Speed Crop (HSC) mode (like D2X that goes to 2x crop) that would make it into a 1.5 crop camera when you have a DX lens and then at FF when you install one of the "normal" lenses. thumb.gif
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  • RedSoxRedSox Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited March 3, 2007
    ballentphoto wrote:
    Current thinking is that they would detect that you have put in a DX lens and it would go into High Speed Crop (HSC) mode (like D2X that goes to 2x crop) that would make it into a 1.5 crop camera when you have a DX lens and then at FF when you install one of the "normal" lenses. thumb.gif

    Wow that is a brilliant idea. thumb.gif Yeah crop camera DOES have advantages sometimes over the FF. If the FF can produce both FF and crop, then we will get the best of both. Again VERY COOL!
  • kygardenkygarden Registered Users Posts: 1,060 Major grins
    edited March 6, 2007
    Looks like the D3 (or whatever is going to be released) will be introduced post-PMA (sometime in the future). Apparently this is all you've got for the PMA:
    http://nikonimaging.com/global/activity/pma/2007/index.htm

    No biggie. Would have been nice to see what they've been working on, but I don't recall Nikon being the folks that started all the D3 being announced for PMA rumors...so I guess we can't be upset with Nikon :)

    I'm not buying anything new anyway...just a curious onlooker :)
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  • flyingdutchieflyingdutchie Registered Users Posts: 1,286 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    kygarden wrote:
    Probably old news by now, but the folks over at Nikonians have already updated their D1/D2 forum to reflect D1/D2/D3...and there's a post with the following speculation/rumors of the new camera...
    ...............
    Reports of a full frame (1.1X sensor) prototype being tested were getting stale; however, with apologies for the delay, our intelligence sources in the heart of Japan have confirmed it:

    New Model denomination: D3, most likely D3H
    Sensor Manufacturer: Either Sony (most likely) or Nikon
    Megapixel rating: in the 18MP to 20MP range
    Expected announcement date: March 2007, at PMA
    Likely availability in store shelves around the world: October 2007 Surprise Feature: DX format high FPS rate High Speed Crop Mode
    .............

    So we shall see - soon...

    A long thread about the D3 here at dpreview.com
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=23344697

    And Thom Hogan saying - among other things - these stmts:
    "... So expect a D300 to be 35FF (that doesn't mean we won't get a D200s). You heard it here first ;~). ..."

    "... Expect a late June announcement with ship in August/September instead and you might be less disappointed ;~). ..."
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