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Just wanted to share specs of my new toy

NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
edited February 17, 2005 in Digital Darkroom
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Room is still full of boxes, but I hope to get some pictures of the setup this weekend.
BTW - Dell service rocks!
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    NirNir Registered Users Posts: 1,400 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Congrats Nikolai! Enjoy!
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Thanks, Nir!
    Nir wrote:
    Congrats Nikolai! Enjoy!
    I already do!:-)
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    • 3.5in Floppy Drive
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    Looks cool, but what this?




    JK. Haven't seen/used one of these in 5 years, at least. Not sure what good it is?
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    DavidTO wrote:
    Looks cool, but what this?
    It's a vestige from a bygone era...kinda like your appendix.
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    It came free of charge
    DavidTO wrote:
    Looks cool, but what this?
    JK. Haven't seen/used one of these in 5 years, at least. Not sure what good it is?
    I could've easily dropped it from the configuration, but then I remembered that my pre-teen daughter was recently complaining about the total lack of 3.5" floppy drives at home. When I pointed out to the pool of USB 2.0 ports and 256Mb USB key I recently gave her, she explained that at school they only have
    <drum roll>
    APPLES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER DEVICES TO TALK TO THE OUTER WORLD!
    </drum roll>
    So, you see, those darn apples made my - otherwise pretty decent machine - look like crap..blbl.gif

    Cheers!1drink.gif
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    pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,696 moderator
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    I could've easily dropped it from the configuration, but then I remembered that my pre-teen daughter was recently complaining about the total lack of 3.5" floppy drives at home. When I pointed out to the pool of USB 2.0 ports and 256Mb USB key I recently gave her, she explained that at school they only have
    <drum roll>
    APPLES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER DEVICES TO TALK TO THE OUTER WORLD!
    </drum roll>
    So, you see, those darn apples made my - otherwise pretty decent machine - look like crap..<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/blbl.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >

    Cheers!<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/1drink.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >

    I think Nic was waiting for that question!
    :D:D:D <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Exactly!
    fish wrote:
    It's a vestige from a bygone era...kinda like your appendix.
    But hey, if apples still use it, and my Helen has to work with them at school, it was my duty as a caring father to provide her with at least that way of data transportation, right:-)rolleyes1.gif

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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    It definitely looks like it, don't it?
    pathfinder wrote:
    I think Nic was waiting for that question!
    :D:D:Drolleyes1.gifrolleyes1.gif
    Thanks man!thumb.gif
    Cheers!
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    APPLES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER DEVICES TO TALK TO THE OUTER WORLD!

    Other than the internet, huh? rolleyes1.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    But hey, if apples still use it, and my Helen has to work with them at school, it was my duty as a caring father to provide her with at least that way of data transportation, right:-)rolleyes1.gif

    Cheers!1drink.gif

    Nik, I can't remember the last Apple machine that came with a floppy drive. headscratch.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    And I never knew...
    fish wrote:
    Nik, I can't remember the last Apple machine that came with a floppy drive. headscratch.gif
    but what can I do if they use them at school? (David, I'm talking about Los Cerritos Middle School).ne_nau.gif
    Actually, I know.. I have few old PC boxes at home and few 17-19" CRTs, I'll probably donate them to the school. Still have some time until April 15th:-)

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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    but what can I do if they use them at school? (David, I'm talking about Los Cerritos Middle School).ne_nau.gif
    Actually, I know.. I have few old PC boxes at home and few 17-19" CRTs, I'll probably donate them to the school. Still have some time until April 15th:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    I'm not familiar with that school. I tried to donate a couple of PCs to my son's school and they wouldn't take them...they run a 100% Apple shop. All the teachers just got iBooks, every classroom has at least one eMac, and the computer lab is full of new eMacs. (elementary school). None of those kids know what a floppy drive is either. rolleyes1.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    I was considering that, too..
    fish wrote:
    Other than the internet, huh? rolleyes1.gif
    But she told me (and I have no reason to not believe her) that the browser they have on those, mm, apples does not work very good with a lot of modern websites rolleyes1.gif

    Cheers!1drink.gif
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    Michiel de BriederMichiel de Brieder Registered Users Posts: 864 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    For full usage of the beautiful newly acquired system one should install Linux deal.gif
    Nah, just pulling your leg, but it would have way better performance mwink.gif, not trying to make you a convert or anything.... rolleyes1.gif
    So, ehm, Windows huh??? Guess that makes 2 of us :D Enjoy your new system (no need to say that I guess rolleyes1.gif)
    Cheers Nik!! beer.gif
    *In my mind it IS real*
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Unfortunately, we have same here
    fish wrote:
    I'm not familiar with that school. I tried to donate a couple of PCs to my son's school and they wouldn't take them...they run a 100% Apple shop. All the teachers just got iBooks, every classroom has at least one eMac, and the computer lab is full of new eMacs. (elementary school). None of those kids know what a floppy drive is either. rolleyes1.gif
    Only newest (and better supported schools) were able to provide new PCs for the students. Majority is on a tight budget and have to deal with apples, no funds to upgrade.
    No wonder with each generation we're getting users who don't know even the most elementary things about he 'puters (what's a floppy; how to set up an internet conenection; how to replace RAM or videocard, etc.), because all they knew at school was mac, four or five basic mac apps - and nothing else...

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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    I was using FreeBSD at a time
    For full usage of the beautiful newly acquired system one should install Linux deal.gif
    Nah, just pulling your leg, but it would have way better performance mwink.gif, not trying to make you a convert or anything.... rolleyes1.gif
    So, ehm, Windows huh??? Guess that makes 2 of us :D Enjoy your new system (no need to say that I guess rolleyes1.gif)
    Cheers Nik!! beer.gif
    My friend helped me to set it up, and I got a web/ftp/mail/file server running in a pretty much automated mode. Machine was old, so no new OS could run on it, but I simply put a 20Gb HDD and it was OK.
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    Did you already get your air tickets?

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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    but what can I do if they use them at school? (David, I'm talking about Los Cerritos Middle School).ne_nau.gif
    Actually, I know.. I have few old PC boxes at home and few 17-19" CRTs, I'll probably donate them to the school. Still have some time until April 15th:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif

    Any Mac with a floppy drive is pre-iMac, that is, pre-1998. Ancient history. Unless they've got external floppies. The problem isn't that they're on Macs, the problem is that they're underfunded and aren't able to upgrade. A PC that old would have the same problem, would it not? No USB, no Firewire, etc. Macs were SCSI at that point, and what were PCs, serial? I don't know.
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    Michiel de BriederMichiel de Brieder Registered Users Posts: 864 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    My friend helped me to set it up, and I got a web/ftp/mail/file server running in a pretty much automated mode. Machine was old, so no new OS could run on it, but I simply put a 20Gb HDD and it was OK.
    --
    Did you already get your air tickets?

    Cheers!beer.gif
    Yup,

    the tickets are in.. Man am I excited :D I've got to do some nice business deals so I can get a Sigma 50-500 mwink.gif that would be invaluable to me besides my current setup and I think I will enjoy it very much for some DGrinner candids rolleyes1.gif
    almost time for bed now... in 6 hours my alarm clock will be annoying my ears, for what seems to be an eternity :cry
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    You are most likely right
    DavidTO wrote:
    Any Mac with a floppy drive is pre-iMac, that is, pre-1998. Ancient history. Unless they've got external floppies. The problem isn't that they're on Macs, the problem is that they're underfunded and aren't able to upgrade. A PC that old would have the same problem, would it not? No USB, no Firewire, etc. Macs were SCSI at that point, and what were PCs, serial? I don't know.
    I'm not much of an apple-historian..
    WIth PCs, however, you can upgrade piece-by-piece, so it's not that cost-prohibitive. Not that it always helps, and eventually you just must bite the bullet. But still, you can salvage a lot of hardware this way. I'm not sure if you can do this on Macs. ANd even if you do, you need to be a "genius" to do it, while every not-totally-brain-damaged 12 year old can assemble/disassemble a pc..
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Take it easy, Michiel!
    Yup,

    the tickets are in.. Man am I excited :D I've got to do some nice business deals so I can get a Sigma 50-500 mwink.gif that would be invaluable to me besides my current setup and I think I will enjoy it very much for some DGrinner candids rolleyes1.gif
    almost time for bed now... in 6 hours my alarm clock will be annoying my ears, for what seems to be an eternity :cry
    I'm excited too!
    Have a good nite!
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
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    Room is still full of boxes, but I hope to get some pictures of the setup this weekend.
    BTW - Dell service rocks!
    Sounds perfect for running linux. Last time I had to use Dell service, it rocked so bad I swore I'd never by anohter dell machine. Now I buy all intel desktops from the local chinese guys who have a sign in their window that says Intel/AMD. Best damn service there is. Take the computer to them and they fix while I wait.
    If not now, when?
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    It's pretty good for what I do with it, too:-)
    Development, Internet, PS and FPS:-)
    I'm kinda positive linux cannot do last two yet:-)

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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    But she told me (and I have no reason to not believe her) that the browser they have on those, mm, apples does not work very good with a lot of modern websites rolleyes1.gif

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    Funnily, I haven't come across a website that couldn't be displayed in either safari or firefox/mozilla. Could be they're running downrev OS and browser. ne_nau.gif

    But back to the topic at hand, are those apples so bad that she can't even transfer a 1.44mb file home?

    Funny...I never thought there was such a thing as a wintel bigot. rolleyes1.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    GREAPERGREAPER Registered Users Posts: 3,113 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Actually, My boys go to a private school, with a VERY up to date computer lab, and they are required to use a floppy to save things on to bring to and from class. For many smaller files like text, spreadsheets, etc they are agreat way to move things from platform to platform. I have been sorry several times that my laptop does not have a floppy drive.
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    GREAPER wrote:
    Actually, My boys go to a private school, with a VERY up to date computer lab, and they are required to use a floppy to save things on to bring to and from class. For many smaller files like text, spreadsheets, etc they are agreat way to move things from platform to platform. I have been sorry several times that my laptop does not have a floppy drive.
    For small files, email is far more efficient than sneakernet.
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,696 moderator
    edited January 27, 2005
    fish wrote:
    For small files, email is far more efficient than sneakernet.
    I'm with Fish on this - If it will fit on a floppy, I just email it to myself. Works like a charm. 1drink.gif
    Even from Windows at work to a MAC at home. Eudora works on both OSs of course.
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    Development, Internet, PS and FPS:-)
    I'm kinda positive linux cannot do last two yet:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    Linux gets about a C on PS via this compatability package called wine and maybe a B- via vmware. I think it gets about a B on XP and about an A- on OS X. No A+ anywhere; but that's Adobe's fault.

    But Dell service, that's another story. How about spending a day on the phone and then being humg up on. I'm in charge of buying computers for my group and Dell just lost it a few years back. Have things changed? I used to love them, but then we just had nothing but badness for about a year.

    On the other hand, I really can't tell you a good notebook service story right now. I think maybe Apple is OK cause you can go to the Apple store. I guess if you only have a dog slow processor to sell, you need something: a cool looking case and real service.
    If not now, when?
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    rutt wrote:
    But Dell service, that's another story. How about spending a day on the phone and then being humg up on. I'm in charge of buying computers for my group and Dell just lost it a few years back. Have things changed? I used to love them, but then we just had nothing but badness for about a year.
    I feel like a broken record (remember them?), but Dell support sucks eggs. The last time I called, I got routed to India, and was told (1) it's my ISP's problem, and then after pressing them, (2) I needed to reinstall XP. I could not get them to escalate the call. I'm done with Dell.

    On the otherhand, calling Apple, I almost always get straight to a human, and that human usually speaks English fluently. Too, that human has fixed my issues immediately, with the exception of one time (the iView/iPhoto thing) and that's probably not their problem, but mine.

    If I find myself in a position to buy another Wintel machine (not likely), I'm going down to Central Computer in Santa Clara, and having them build one for me. My last AMD box was built there, was a great price, and support was local...I just took my box to them and they fixed it.

    If DELL stock didn't consistently move northward, I'd have sold it a long time ago.

    FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, don't operate heavy machinery after reading this post.
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited January 27, 2005
    rutt wrote:
    I guess if you only have a dog slow processor to sell, you need something: a cool looking case and real service.
    :lol4 that's so funny, rutt. you crack me up.


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    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited January 28, 2005
    fish wrote:
    :lol4 that's so funny, rutt. you crack me up.


    photoshop20041013.jpg
    I was talking about powerbooks in this instance. My quote in this instance was:
    On the other hand, I really can't tell you a good notebook service story right now. I think maybe Apple is OK cause you can go to the Apple store. I guess if you only have a dog slow processor to sell, you need something: a cool looking case and real service.
    On the other hand, I think you've been bitten by the magical Apple marketing bug. Anyone can pick a benchmark and test their own machine and others and win. Look at this thread. You can cut to the chase and look at the table of results. Notice that the best measured time is quad Xeon. Dual Xeon 2.4MHz is still 37% faster than the results that Andy reported on this very thread.

    Moral: Why be a dweeb? No computer is perfect. No computer company is on your side. No piece of software (os or application) is without bugs or warts. Grow up. Do your own benchmarks if it matters a lot. Be empirical.
    If not now, when?
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