lost exif info in Photoshop CS with RAW to JPG

DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
edited May 7, 2004 in Finishing School
The struggle continues. I'm now shooting mostly in RAW, and photoshop CS has made workflow really easy. BUT, all of the jpg's I end up with for posting on the web or otherwise have no camera/shooting info with them.

Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?
Erik
moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

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  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 19, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    The struggle continues. I'm now shooting mostly in RAW, and photoshop CS has made workflow really easy. BUT, all of the jpg's I end up with for posting on the web or otherwise have no camera/shooting info with them.

    Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

    I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?
    http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg has the exif and crs data inside. Try posting it to smugmug and see what happens.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg has the exif and crs data inside. Try posting it to smugmug and see what happens.
    really? Am I missing something or explaining it wrong... I just saved that image, from my website, onto my desktop, right click, advanced properties and all I see is size, depth, bit count, creation software.

    ???

    I'll throw it on smugmug...
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    alright, smugmug is updated with all my daily photos...
    http://doctorit.smugmug.com/gallery/64369/2/2468612

    2004-02-18 still has no camera info. Counter example: 2004-02-15f was shot in fine jpg mode, so all the camera info is there.
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 19, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    really? Am I missing something or explaining it wrong... I just saved that image, from my website, onto my desktop, right click, advanced properties and all I see is size, depth, bit count, creation software.

    ???

    I'll throw it on smugmug...
    This is what is inside:

    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
    <crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
    <crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
    <crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
    <crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
    <crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
    <crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
    <crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
    <crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
    <crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
    <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
    <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
    <crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
    <crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
    <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
    <crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
    <crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
    <crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
    <crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
    <crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
    <crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
    </rdf:Description>
    xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'&gt;
    <exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
    <exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
    <exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
    <exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
    <exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
    <exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
    <exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
    <exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
    <exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
    <exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
    <exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
    </exif:Flash>
    <exif:FocalLength>50/1</exif:FocalLength>
    <exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
    <exif:PixelXDimension>500</exif:PixelXDimension>
    <exif:PixelYDimension>333</exif:PixelYDimension>
    </rdf:Description>

    xmlns:tiff='http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/'&gt;
    <tiff:Make>Canon</tiff:Make>
    <tiff:Model>Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL</tiff:Model>
    <tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
    <tiff:XResolution>240/1</tiff:XResolution>
    <tiff:YResolution>240/1</tiff:YResolution>
    <tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
    </rdf:Description>

    BTW what kind of HP computer do you have? :)
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    This is what is inside:

    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'&gt;
    <crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
    <crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
    <crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
    <crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
    <crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
    <crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
    <crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
    <crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
    <crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
    <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
    <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
    <crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
    <crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
    <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
    <crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
    <crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
    <crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
    <crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
    <crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
    <crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
    </rdf:Description>
    xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'&gt;
    <exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
    <exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
    <exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
    <exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
    <exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
    <exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
    <exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
    <exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
    <exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
    <exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
    <exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
    </exif:Flash>
    <exif:FocalLength>50/1</exif:FocalLength>
    <exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
    <exif:PixelXDimension>500</exif:PixelXDimension>
    <exif:PixelYDimension>333</exif:PixelYDimension>
    </rdf:Description>

    xmlns:tiff='http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/'&gt;
    <tiff:Make>Canon</tiff:Make>
    <tiff:Model>Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL</tiff:Model>
    <tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
    <tiff:XResolution>240/1</tiff:XResolution>
    <tiff:YResolution>240/1</tiff:YResolution>
    <tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
    </rdf:Description>

    BTW what kind of HP computer do you have? :)
    How'd you get that all that? I realize it may be buried in there, buts its obviously not easy to get at since smugmug isn't showing it like with my straight, unconverted jpg's that i've shot.

    And I have a Toshiba, where'd you get the HP?

    And I like how all the ": D"'s turned into grins!
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    Hey cmr: are you on a Mac or Unix-box??? Just curious, doesn't change that I can't see what you are digging up somewhere somehow.
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,708 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

    I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?
    It is interesting that you say that in converting from RAW to jpgs that the exif data is no longer there in the saved jpgs - I would have not thought so, I have never heard of that stated anywhere - BUT I just dowloaded from Smugmug my picture of a red tractor I shot last evening as RAW and converted in PS CS and uploaded to smugmug to link to dgrin last night.

    When I use Exifread ( freeware from Taba software ) to decode the original jpg I pulled from smugmug I see no camera infomation at all either . All I see is

    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0x28, Tag: 0x112, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x30, Orientation: 1
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0x34, Tag: 0x11A, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x80, XResolution: 360/1
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0x40, Tag: 0x11B, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x88, YResolution: 360/1
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 04, IFD Entry Position: 0x4C, Tag: 0x128, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x54, ResolutionUnit: 2
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 05, IFD Entry Position: 0x58, Tag: 0x131, FieldType: 2, Count: 27, Position: 0x90, Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 06, IFD Entry Position: 0x64, Tag: 0x132, FieldType: 2, Count: 20, Position: 0xAB, DateTime: 2004:02:18 21:20:38
    IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 07, IFD Entry Position: 0x70, Tag: 0x8769, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x78, ExifOffset: 164
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0xF0, Tag: 0x103, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0xF8, Compression: 6
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0xFC, Tag: 0x11A, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x13C, XResolution: 72/1
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0x108, Tag: 0x11B, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x144, YResolution: 72/1
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 04, IFD Entry Position: 0x114, Tag: 0x128, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x11C, ResolutionUnit: 2
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 05, IFD Entry Position: 0x120, Tag: 0x201, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x128, JPEGInterchangeFormat: 302
    IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 06, IFD Entry Position: 0x12C, Tag: 0x202, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x134, JPEGInterchangeFormatLength: 7282
    IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0xC4, Tag: 0xA001, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0xCC, ColorSpace: 65535
    IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0xD0, Tag: 0xA002, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0xD8, ExifImageWidth: 6231
    IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0xDC, Tag: 0xA003, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0xE4, ExifImageLength: 4224


    What's going on - cmr - can you read anymore information in my red tractor picture - I posted it in the late afternoon sunlight thread on -- Show us your best stuff... Here is the URL http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=571

    The original is at pathfinder.smugmug.com on the last page in Americana -

    If this is true I think many people will be dismayed that the exposure data is all stripped off the jpg made by RAW conversion. Maybe you can read what I cannot - I hope so anyway....
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:

    What's going on - cmr - can you read anymore information in my red tractor picture - I posted it in the late afternoon sunlight thread on -- Show us your best stuff... Here is the URL http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=571

    The original is at pathfinder.smugmug.com on the last page in Americana -

    If this is true I think many people will be dismayed that the exposure data is all stripped off the jpg made by RAW conversion. Maybe you can read what I cannot - I hope so anyway....
    Pathfinder: you're seeing the exact info I see in mine, only image information: size, etc. But NO camera info. Apparently, cmr says its there cause he found EVERYTHING on my image that I just posted to my website. I'm curious to hear more...
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,708 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Pathfinder: you're seeing the exact info I see in mine, only image information: size, etc. But NO camera info. Apparently, cmr says its there cause he found EVERYTHING on my image that I just posted to my website. I'm curious to hear more...
    If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.

    addendum: I have since gone home and opened the same red tractor.jpg in adobe PS CS and when I press crtl-alt-i the Photoshop file reader comes up with the camera information. So now is the problem with Exifread or somwhere else? It apparently is availabe to Photoshop CS from the jpg itself..... Hmmm.....
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:
    If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.
    Try your exifread on this image:

    http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited February 19, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Try your exifread on this image:

    http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg
    This is all I get out of it:



    Orientation - 1 (top left)
    XResolution - 240
    YResolution - 240
    ResolutionUnit - 2 (inch)
    Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
    DateTime - 2004:02:19 10:41:20
    ExifOffset - 164
    ColorSpace - 1 (sRGB)
    ExifImageWidth - 0
    ExifImageHeight - 0
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  • wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited February 19, 2004
    How strange. I get all sorts of data.


    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'&gt;
    2.0
    CRW_1401.CRW
    As Shot
    -0.50
    12
    57
    +35
    +7
    95
    6
    25
    +10
    0
    +32
    55
    0
    Sid.
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  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 19, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    How strange. I get all sorts of data.


    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'&gt;
    <crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
    <crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
    <crs:FavoriteFood>As Shot</crs:TunafishCasserole>
    <crs:BestActor>-0.50</crs:BenKingsly>
    <crs:#bathrooms/bedrooms>12</crs:2bed1.5bath>
    <crs:BoxersorBriefs>57</crs:Neither>
    <crs:WhatchaDoingTonight>+35</crs:NothingWhatchaDoing>
    <crs:FavoriteHairColor>+7</crs:Pimento>
    <crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Dull>
    <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
    <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
    <crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
    <crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
    <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • fishfish Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    How strange. I get all sorts of data.


    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-sashimi/1.0/'&gt;
    you hacked into charles' computer? rolleyes1.gif
    "Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston
    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    How'd you get that all that? I realize it may be buried in there, buts its obviously not easy to get at since smugmug isn't showing it like with my straight, unconverted jpg's that i've shot.
    On a unix box (or MacOSX) `strings xxxxx.jpg | more`
    And I have a Toshiba, where'd you get the HP?
    There was a Hewlett Packard in the strings info but I see no that was a copyright notice so is probably just a cross license artifact.
    And I like how all the ": D"'s turned into grins!
    There is a "Disable Smilies in Text" button just above the "Manage Attachments" theat stops :D from becoming icon10.gif (Next you will be asking how I can click the disable and mix :Dicon10.gif:Dicon10.gif )
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    fish wrote:
    This is all I get out of it:



    Orientation - 1 (top left)
    XResolution - 240
    YResolution - 240
    ResolutionUnit - 2 (inch)
    Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
    DateTime - 2004:02:19 10:41:20
    ExifOffset - 164
    ColorSpace - 1 (sRGB)
    ExifImageWidth - 0
    ExifImageHeight - 0

    cmr% strings 2004-02-18.jpg | more
    JFIF
    Exif
    Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
    2004:02:19 10:41:20
    JFIF
    ...
    xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'&gt;
    <crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
    <crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
    <crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
    <crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
    <crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
    <crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
    <crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
    <crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
    <crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
    <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
    <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
    <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
    <crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
    <crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
    <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
    <crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
    <crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
    <crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
    <crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
    <crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
    <crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
    </rdf:Description>
    ...
    xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'&gt;
    <exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
    <exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
    <exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
    <exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
    <exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
    <exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
    <exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
    <exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
    <exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
    <exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
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    ...
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    <xap:MetadataDate>2004-02-19T10:41:20-05:00</xap:MetadataDate>
    <xap:CreatorTool>Adobe Photoshop CS Windows</xap:CreatorTool>
    </rdf:Description>
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    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    fish wrote:
    you hacked into charles' computer? rolleyes1.gif
    Note: www.iisc.com has a link to www.iisc.com/sushi :D
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Hey cmr: are you on a Mac or Unix-box??? Just curious, doesn't change that I can't see what you are digging up somewhere somehow.
    MacOSX, Solaris 8 or 9, or Tru64 5.1b - when I am doing my dissections. Just depends which xterm I am typing in.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:
    If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.

    addendum: I have since gone home and opened the same red tractor.jpg in adobe PS CS and when I press crtl-alt-i the Photoshop file reader comes up with the camera information. So now is the problem with Exifread or somwhere else? It apparently is availabe to Photoshop CS from the jpg itself..... Hmmm.....
    The red tractor image in the thread is http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/2463653-L.jpg and it does *NOT* contain the Exif data. Probably 2463653-O.jpg has it but I can't pull it down as I get a message indicating it is corrupted. Bear in mind that smugmug has several size jpegs of your tractor online.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,708 moderator
    edited February 20, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    The red tractor image in the thread is http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/2463653-L.jpg and it does *NOT* contain the Exif data. Probably 2463653-O.jpg has it but I can't pull it down as I get a message indicating it is corrupted. Bear in mind that smugmug has several size jpegs of your tractor online.
    So maybe smugmug strips oput the exif data to minimize storage requirements or something, perhaps? On at least some of the image sizes?

    Thank you for that information. As I said Adobe PS CS CAN read the exif info in the jpg itself.... so Adobe DOES incorporate the exif data after/during RAW conversion. But it may not be on smugmug -- I wonder if that is why the "Show Additional Photo Information" button has disappeared on smugmug.
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 20, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:
    So maybe smugmug strips oput the exif data to minimize storage requirements or something, perhaps? On at least some of the image sizes?

    Thank you for that information. As I said Adobe PS CS CAN read the exif info in the jpg itself.... so Adobe DOES incorporate the exif data after/during RAW conversion. But it may not be on smugmug -- I wonder if that is why the "Show Additional Photo Information" button has disappeared on smugmug.
    The button on smugmug is still there. I just uploaded another .jpg (shot as jpg) yesterday and all the camera info will show up.

    So do we have a bottom line? I talked to another friend who uses CS and his exif is gone as well, he has Nikon files, that was why I asked him as well. And, sorry, when i say gone, its probably there, CS can read it, and so can Charles. But how bout the rest of us? How bout smugmug, is there no hope?

    Rather than dissecting files, I was hoping there was a more savvy Photoshop CS user out there who could clarify for us.
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    The button on smugmug is still there. I just uploaded another .jpg (shot as jpg) yesterday and all the camera info will show up.

    So do we have a bottom line? I talked to another friend who uses CS and his exif is gone as well, he has Nikon files, that was why I asked him as well. And, sorry, when i say gone, its probably there, CS can read it, and so can Charles. But how bout the rest of us? How bout smugmug, is there no hope?

    Rather than dissecting files, I was hoping there was a more savvy Photoshop CS user out there who could clarify for us.
    If someone could use CS and PS7 to create jpegs from the same raw shot

    upload them both to smugmug or elsewhere

    and post the links here,

    Then I will disect the two files and report on what CS is doing differently. I suspect the xml packaging is the issue.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,708 moderator
    edited February 20, 2004
    cmr164 wrote:
    If someone could use CS and PS7 to create jpegs from the same raw shot

    upload them both to smugmug or elsewhere

    and post the links here,

    Then I will disect the two files and report on what CS is doing differently. I suspect the xml packaging is the issue.
    I have PS 7 but not another RAW convertor besides PS CS - so I am afraid I cannot help you......
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
  • cmr164cmr164 Registered Users Posts: 1,542 Major grins
    edited February 20, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:
    I have PS 7 but not another RAW convertor besides PS CS - so I am afraid I cannot help you......
    Then do two examples starting from a camera generated jpeg and put up the 2 PS versions of a save from that.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
    Villa Del Rio II, Talamban, Pit-os, Cebu, Ph
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited May 7, 2004
    So I FINALLY have an answer to this!!! A lurker read this thread and sent me a note with a link that explained it all... Basically, PS Camera RAW writes all the metadata into an XMP format rather than EXIF. So, as CMR showed, all the info was there in my files, but smugmug (or windows explorer for that matter) can't extract it.

    Here's a link, the info is in there (mostly on Oly writeup, but good notes on PS CS):

    http://diabolo.ifn.fr/imgs/E-1-raw-comp/
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]

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