Traffic violation

Angelo

Since this involves cameras I thought I'd pose a question to the family of Grinners. :lol3

I was recently nabbed by traffic cameras for "allegedly" running a red light. Now I'm not saying I did and I'm not saying I did not run the light.

Let's all just agree that if (IF) I ran the light, it was unavoidable and justifiable. However, without a real life policeman to discuss the matter I'm forever branded a criminal destined to pay a hefty fine and complete a round at traffic school. :huh

I have heard rumblings of perfectly legal ways of successfully contesting these camera cops based on various issues of third party contractors, faulty shutter firings, etc etc etc, blah, blah, blah, and so on.

Anyone have any experience with this issue?

docwalker

Angelo wrote:

Anyone have any experience with this issue?

Yep, I do. I succesfully fought off a false identification charge from a speed camera. I got the ticket in the mail. I raised hell until they finally realized that a white avalanche is not the same a gold jeep cherokee.

That and I was 5 hours away and at work at the time...

I know that you are looking for more info related to if you actually did it and trying to justify it. All I can say is good luck. The contractors will claim that their hands are tied and the public servants will claim that they are bound by the law.

Nikolai

Angelino,
Mythbusters had an episode on those cameras a while ago (whether it's possible to beat/avoid/trick). The result was one of the consensus votes: they are as foolproof as they can be.
Sorry, I know it's not waht you wanted to hear, but I don't have any other info.
In any case - good luck! Getting a ticket suck!

Angelo

hey guys thanks for the input.

unfortunately there is no false ID.... a black Toyota is a black Toyota

I've been advised there actually is an ordinance in CA state law that makes 3rd party enforcement illegal. I have a lot of research ahead of me to find it and then mounting a successful fight.

Nikolai

Angelo wrote:

hey guys thanks for the input.

unfortunately there is no false ID.... a black Toyota is a black Toyota

I've been advised there actually is an ordinance in CA state law that makes 3rd party enforcement illegal. I have a lot of research ahead of me to find it and then mounting a successful fight.

Keep us posted, please.

StevenV

I'm certainly no lawyer.

You might want to read http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/070330/21532.html?.v=1
though

Contrary to popular belief, Carroll says that camera-issued tickets are often the easiest to beat because a defendant has a constitutional right to question their accuser. Courthouses will rarely go through the trouble of bringing the video or picture to court, and even if they do, there is no human subject to question other than the officer who viewed the it.

"The minute he opens his mouth, you just object because it's hearsay and the ticket will be dropped," Carroll says. "Most people just don't have the courage to do this though. That's why some of these cities are making millions of dollars per camera. They know you're not going to do that."

While traffic cameras are becoming more common, their legality is being debated in courtrooms around the country.

marlinspike

Often, when you contest these camera tickets, then they send you a letter letting you know they're dropping the charge.

Seefutlung

I dunno Angelo ... you look guilty as hell, (culpable of more heinous crime than a traffic violation), ... any judge with even an ounce of conscience would want to see you off the streets for the good of society ... sorta like Alphonso Capone .... better to send you to the big house on a small charge than not sent you away at all.

Just my $.02
Gary

Angelo

StevenV wrote:

I'm certainly no lawyer.

You might want to read http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/070330/21532.html?.v=1
though

that's cool stuff. thanks a bunch

Angelo

marlinspike wrote:

Often, when you contest these camera tickets, then they send you a letter letting you know they're dropping the charge.

that's what I've heard. I'll let you know how it plays out.

Angelo

Seefutlung wrote:

I dunno Angelo ... you look guilty as hell, (culpable of more heinous crime than a traffic violation), ... any judge with even an ounce of conscience would want to see you off the streets for the good of society ... sorta like Alphonso Capone .... better to send you to the big house on a small charge than not sent you away at all.

Just my $.02
Gary

Listen up bub.... I ain't goin' no stink' big house ya hear?

Seefutlung

oh I know ... they haven't built the jail yet that can hold you ...

hey I'm baking you a cake with a file in it ... you like choclate or angel food?

Gary

Bendr

Seefutlung wrote:

oh I know ... they haven't built the jail yet that can hold you ...

hey I'm baking you a cake with a file in it ... you like choclate or angel food?

Gary

You get him the file, I'll get him the key...

Maybe if enough of us bake him a cake we'll be able to convince them it's his birthday...

gus

hey Angelo..........pay up !

sirsloop

HA... nothin I hate more than a lousy meaningless traffic ticket. If they got you on camera running a red then they got you. Nothing you can do about it if its your vehicle in the intersection on red. Find a way to deduct a couple extra hundred bucks off your taxes next year and make your money back..thats what I try to do

richW

Angelo wrote:

Listen up bub.... I ain't goin' no stink' big house ya hear?

Many of the Rich & Famous and even the poor have had this address: 441 Bauchet St. Los Angeles. From what I hear they have internet access now in jail, so at least you can Mod Dgrin from a nice 6x8 cell. If you have a choice, go with Twin Towers jail on the south side of the street. Multi-story with windows, this should afford a great view of the Los Angeles skyline.

If having free room and board; a beautiful view of the skyline is not for you, take it to court.
BTW I hate traffic cameras too….Good luck.
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/

Angelo

gus wrote:

hey Angelo..........pay up !

:yikes

richW

gus wrote:

hey Angelo..........pay up !

Gus...That is nasty...
Angelo. Some of the guidelines for automated traffic enforcement: CVC 21455.5
It will give you some info to check and document.
That link is from California Law, great place to search all of California's laws..

Nikolai

It's all too late... They've got solid proof...:cry

Bendr

Nikolai wrote:

It's all too late... They've got solid proof...:cry

I guess I'd better start baking...