"Text Color" button present in basic, missing in advanced, post editor?

Protographer

When editing an existing post, in the simple, basic view, there is a "text color" button.

This "text color" button seems to be missing once one switches to the more advanced view by clicking on the "go advanced" button. The "text color" button is also missing when creating a post.

Also, once one has clicked "go advanced" there doesn't seem to any way to
"go simple" short of restarting the edit.

Am I missing something?

Andy

Protographer wrote:

When editing an existing post, in the simple, basic view, there is a "text color" button.

This "text color" button seems to be missing once one switches to the more advanced view by clicking on the "go advanced" button. The "text color" button is also missing when creating a post.

Also, once one has clicked "go advanced" there doesn't seem to any way to
"go simple" short of restarting the edit.

Am I missing something?

I removed the color button. I'll find out why it is there in basice editor style.

Colors mess things up, due to the fact that we offer many different forum skins.

Protographer

Andy wrote:

I removed the color button. I'll find out why it is there in basice editor style.

Colors mess things up, due to the fact that we offer many different forum skins.

That wasn't the result I had in mind!:jawdrop Oh, I see now, you haven't yet removed it from the basic editor style. I personally don't care about all those forum skins - one is just fine by me. I know others do care about them, probably passionately. I do find the presence of the text colour button quite useful.

ChrisJ

Andy wrote:

I removed the color button.

Andy

Protographer wrote:

That wasn't the result I had in mind!:jawdrop Oh, I see now, you haven't yet removed it from the basic editor style. I personally don't care about all those forum skins - one is just fine by me. I know others do care about them, probably passionately. I do find the presence of the text colour button quite useful.

Please don't use it - it's unnecessary and it ruins the experience for those that do use the skins. Thanks. I'll figure out why it's in the basic editor and remove it.

Protographer

Andy wrote:

Please don't use it - it's unnecessary

It's not unnecessary - strong (bold), enphasis (italics) & underline aren't nearly enough text formats. I found it very useful, see http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=63249.

Andy wrote:

and it ruins the experience for those that do use the skins.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Andy wrote:

Thanks. I'll figure out why it's in the basic editor and remove it.

That wasn't the result I had in mind!nah:uhoh:pissed

iamback

Protographer wrote:

It's not unnecessary - strong (bold), enphasis (italics) & underline aren't nearly enough text formats. I found it very useful, see http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=63249.I'm

I had a look - and had to select the yellow text to be able to read it - it's only barely visible there is text on light background.

While I'm not in favor of removing a color button, I would suggest that when one uses color to think about how it would look on a variety of backgrounds. (And to people who are color blind - red on black becomes black on black for quite a few people...). Color is good - but use it wisely and sparingly.

Angelo

gosh, I can't imagine how people ever communicated effectively before word processors, HTML and WYSIWYG editors?

Allen

Angelo wrote:

gosh, I can't imagine how people ever communicated effectively before word processors, HTML and WYSIWYG editors?

Color crayons?:D

Andy

Fixed.

Andy

Protographer wrote:

It's not unnecessary - strong (bold), enphasis (italics) & underline aren't nearly enough text formats. I found it very useful, see http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=63249.I'm sorry to hear that. That wasn't the result I had in mind!nah:uhoh:pissed

Here it is in Whitewash:

Andy

Protographer wrote:

It's not unnecessary - strong (bold), enphasis (italics) & underline aren't nearly enough text formats. I found it very useful, see http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=63249.I'm sorry to hear that. That wasn't the result I had in mind!nah:uhoh:pissed

Here it is in Ivory Tower

Andy

Protographer wrote:

That wasn't the result I had in mind!:jawdrop Oh, I see now, you haven't yet removed it from the basic editor style. I personally don't care about all those forum skins - one is just fine by me. I know others do care about them, probably passionately. I do find the presence of the text colour button quite useful.

Here it is in Sand:

RogersDA

Andy wrote:

Here it is in Sand:

Unfortunately, even without the color buttons, manually using bulletin board code still works.

Can you disable that, too?

iamback

Andy wrote:

Fixed.

Just to see if color still works without a button... Coders should know how to use color sensibly

Protographer

Protographer wrote:

I personally don't care about all those forum skins - one is just fine by me. I know others do care about them, probably passionately.

I still don't understand the fascination with different skins on a bulletin-board-type service but, obviously, others do, passionately. The reason to remove text colour is essentially the same as the reason that caused the change from "bold" to "strong" and "italics" to "emphasis" in HTML coding - the need to make text formatting relative to the environment (in this case skin) being used to display the text, in other words replacing physical styles with logical styles.

What we really need are additional logical text (colour) styles to replace the physical text colour styles. It is a shame though that one user display feature, skins, has essentially eliminated another, very powerful user display feature, colour.

Anyway, if you were now to check http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=578084#post578084 you would notice that I have removed the colours, in deference to those of you who do not use the default skin. Consider my knuckles to have been rapped!

Protographer

iamback wrote:

Just to see if color still works without a button... Coders should know how to use color sensibly

Unfortunately sensible use of colour in an environment with a number of different skins becomes very difficult (and potentially time consuming). It really is easier to avoid it than to use it sensibly. Sad, but true.