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it's a preview Looks like a fine camera! Too bad it doesn't have the same batteries as the 20D, else it would make a fine backup.. Oh well, for now my EOS 5 and some rolls of film will have to do for backup
D30, D60, 10D, 300D, 20D, all used BP-511's... why???
To make it small and light they had to use a small and light battery....which also has half the capacity. IMHO the 350D is a girls cam: small, light, the silver is glittery, space between the grip and the lens mount is narrow for think fingers.
I like how it has a lot more features added, but it just looks too small and girly. I was saying how I was going to wait for the new Rebel to come out before deciding on getthing that or that 20D, but after seeing it I'm going with the 20D. I'm sure it will be a great camera, but I don't like the size of it. The camera looks too short (length-wise) for its height.
I like how it has a lot more features added, but it just looks too small and girly.
Why you sexist mofo. :lynn Be glad I'm getting to you before lynnma. :hang
It's an entry-level dSLR. Obviously a different sensor than the 20D, since it has fewer pixels (8.0 vs 8.2). It needs to be small, light, and work with small/light EF-S lenses if they want to capture n00bs.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
To make it small and light they had to use a small and light battery....which also has half the capacity. IMHO the 350D is a girls cam: small, light, the silver is glittery, space between the grip and the lens mount is narrow for think fingers.
Well, I'm a girl...
...and this one has me salivating and chomping at the bit! Looks like maybe it's gonna be upstaging the Nikon D70 big time! 8 megapixels, lotsa upgrades from the 300D making it enough like the 20D for potential dslr newbies like me to get excited about, but lightweight (and smaller, too, for my little girlie hands, !).
I think I'm love...with the price, the size, the features...the whole shooting shebang! As William Hung says...She bangs, she bangs...and she's got a lot of bang for the bucks, IMHO! I may have to hold out for this one (I've been wanting the 20D, but the issues for me were the price and size and weight -kinda big and heavy for little ole me!) So finally...Canon comes up with a dslr for us gals! Whoohoo!!! I'm stoked! I think I'll call mine Suzie ~Nee
btw, any news of when it will be available? I read and reread the review looking for an expected release date, and didn't see anything (or maybe I just missed it). Hope it's soon...very soon!!!
I can't tell if that's steam or stink rising from that plate.
Is your last name "Butts"?
Because I recall that classic book, "Under the Stadium Bleachers", by Seymore Butts.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
WHAT I NEED TO KNOW GUYS....this new rebel goes to 1600 iso & the D20 goes to 3200. Where am i ever going to need that 3200 ?
I can appreciate what it is but man its not something i would use that much.
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You would use the 3200iso if you were in a low light situation and you needed a faster shutter speed to prevent blur. Maybe even indoor sports. You should be able to get this on the 350d with a firmware hack once its created for this. same for the 50iso.
You would use the 3200iso if you were in a low light situation and you needed a faster shutter speed to prevent blur. Maybe even indoor sports. You should be able to get this on the 350d with a firmware hack once its created for this. same for the 50iso.
This is the thing mate...we have nothing 'inside' here. Everything happens out side in the day time...ceptin' for boxing.
Bout the only time i shoot like that is on the street where i have far slower movement.
Oh Jesus...im getting scared here that andy is gonna walk in like a drunk father any second & belt me like a red headed step child for talkin' instead of buyin'.
WHAT I NEED TO KNOW GUYS....this new rebel goes to 1600 iso & the D20 goes to 3200. Where am i ever going to need that 3200 ?
I haven't used 3200 yet. No need. 1600 with fast glass is really all you need. 3200 is probably really noisy.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
btw, any news of when it will be available? I read and reread the review looking for an expected release date, and didn't see anything (or maybe I just missed it). Hope it's soon...very soon!!!
On this page they are stating around March 2005, nothing more specific than that.
WHAT I NEED TO KNOW GUYS....this new rebel goes to 1600 iso & the D20 goes to 3200. Where am i ever going to need that 3200 ?
I can appreciate what it is but man its not something i would use that much.
.
Well, you keep talking about shooting surfing in relatively low light, possibly with a relatively slow lens. If you do all of the above, the only way you'll get the shutter speed you need is with a high ISO.
Yo gus - I think the idea that the 20D has 3200 is basically, not that you'd use the 3200 very much, but at ISO1600 on the 20D you'll have much less noise than on the Rebel at 1600. So if you can envision using 1600 for the speed, the 20D will actually let you pull if off. with the rebel, you'll need a noise removing software.
But if the Rebel XT can match the ISO 1600 of the 20D then it'll be very good! Just underexpose a full stop and push it in post for the rare occasions that you need the higher ISO....
But if the Rebel XT can match the ISO 1600 of the 20D then it'll be very good! Just underexpose a full stop and push it in post for the rare occasions that you need the higher ISO....
I've found that you cannot push the high ISO's. They turn ugly. My experience is that if you use a high ISO, you better get the exposure exactly right in camera.
That's what I've discovered shooting in RAW at ISO 1000 and higher.
I take it you mean banding?
The right exposure on the spot is always best, but there are cases...
That aside, I haven't been bothered much by banding on my 20D....
The right exposure on the spot is always best, but there are cases...
That aside, I haven't been bothered much by banding on my 20D....
No, not banding. I saw that on the 1D, but not on the mkII. I just mean plain old noise. If I dare to play with the Exposure slider on a high ISO RAW pic, I can't go very far before ugly noise intrudes. I also notice that there's even less latitude with Contrast in a high ISO shot - they blow-out far more readily.
All of which I take to mean that if you use high ISO, the exposure has to be spot-on in the camera, as you can't do much fixing in post. Which is a bummer, since I am technically weak at making perfect exposures. It's one of the many things that I admire about Andy's work - he understands how to get it right in the camera. :bluduh
You're right about noise... Still, with noise reduction one is able to get some fine looking shots, even pushed. I'm also very enthusiastic about high ISO B/W because it is way more forgiving in the aspect of noise.. I'm very appreciative of the high ISO performance on B/W shots when I compare it to ISO 1600 film pushed to 3200 or 6400, because it just looks d@rn good and you have a lot of latitude in RAW to play around with.. Underexposing 1 stop doesn't mean you'll have to push it back a full stop
And Andy... well.... the guy's just GOOD
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it's a preview
Michiel de Brieder
http://www.digital-eye.nl
D30, D60, 10D, 300D, 20D, all used BP-511's... why???
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Why you sexist mofo. :lynn Be glad I'm getting to you before lynnma. :hang
It's an entry-level dSLR. Obviously a different sensor than the 20D, since it has fewer pixels (8.0 vs 8.2). It needs to be small, light, and work with small/light EF-S lenses if they want to capture n00bs.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Richard
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Richard
Yeah...you wanna make something of it?
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Richard
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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Fish sticks anyone?
You keep trimmin' that nose hair now littl' darlin'....daddys on his way.
...and this one has me salivating and chomping at the bit!
I think I'm love...with the price, the size, the features...the whole shooting shebang! As William Hung says...She bangs, she bangs...and she's got a lot of bang for the bucks, IMHO! I may have to hold out for this one (I've been wanting the 20D, but the issues for me were the price and size and weight -kinda big and heavy for little ole me!) So finally...Canon comes up with a dslr for us gals! Whoohoo!!! I'm stoked! I think I'll call mine Suzie
btw, any news of when it will be available? I read and reread the review looking for an expected release date, and didn't see anything (or maybe I just missed it). Hope it's soon...very soon!!!
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If at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence that you tried~
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital2/eosdigital2_sample-e.html
No high iso's there though.
WHAT I NEED TO KNOW GUYS....this new rebel goes to 1600 iso & the D20 goes to 3200. Where am i ever going to need that 3200 ?
I can appreciate what it is but man its not something i would use that much.
.
Is your last name "Butts"?
Because I recall that classic book, "Under the Stadium Bleachers", by Seymore Butts.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Bout the only time i shoot like that is on the street where i have far slower movement.
Oh Jesus...im getting scared here that andy is gonna walk in like a drunk father any second & belt me like a red headed step child for talkin' instead of buyin'.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
On this page they are stating around March 2005, nothing more specific than that.
Well, you keep talking about shooting surfing in relatively low light, possibly with a relatively slow lens. If you do all of the above, the only way you'll get the shutter speed you need is with a high ISO.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
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Used it
Abused it
Loved it
But if the Rebel XT can match the ISO 1600 of the 20D then it'll be very good! Just underexpose a full stop and push it in post for the rare occasions that you need the higher ISO....
Michiel de Brieder
http://www.digital-eye.nl
I've found that you cannot push the high ISO's. They turn ugly. My experience is that if you use a high ISO, you better get the exposure exactly right in camera.
That's what I've discovered shooting in RAW at ISO 1000 and higher.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
The right exposure on the spot is always best, but there are cases...
That aside, I haven't been bothered much by banding on my 20D....
Michiel de Brieder
http://www.digital-eye.nl
All of which I take to mean that if you use high ISO, the exposure has to be spot-on in the camera, as you can't do much fixing in post. Which is a bummer, since I am technically weak at making perfect exposures. It's one of the many things that I admire about Andy's work - he understands how to get it right in the camera. :bluduh
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
And Andy... well.... the guy's just GOOD
Michiel de Brieder
http://www.digital-eye.nl
I have Noise Ninja, but I find myself reluctant to use it because it also softens the shot.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
Nope... Not "Butts", but I have "Seen More"!
So, you read the book? Care to EMail me your PDF copy?