I'd be curious about the lighting technique. Baldy's shots are nice
looking and I wonder about placement and the use of a softbox with
egg-crates for portrait work.
ian
Moderator Journeys/Sports/Big Picture :: Need some help with dgrin?
Hello: As you may tell, I'm new to the forum, but not new to photographing the "human landscape." I agree with all the others here on the topic of film choice. B&W is really the most flattering way to go, although it is not always as simple as point and shoot. Try and consider the possibility of zooming in close on some of your shots, unless of course, like "Calendar Girls," all of the women must be recognizable.
You can really achieve some beautiful nude work when you get up very close, and when you think you're close enough, pull up even tighter. You will be able to see some beautiful textures of the skin, pick up different skin tones between individuals.
Outside shots are almost always the most beautiful, and most fun for the photographer, provided of course that the model is able to relax and be assured that she will not be gazed upon by voyeurs. By the same token, one of my series was done of different ages, all shot indoors, with relatively inexpensive "Photo Bulbs," purchased at the local Pro-shop. One of the women was hooked to her oxygen tank, she loved it!
As soon as I can scan in some of my negatives, I will... If I can be of any help, almost two weeks out of the original thread...
Good Luck... Sounds like a fun and gratifying project.
I remain,
ginette
Thanks Ginette,
I'd love to see some of your black and white nudes. It might be an idea to post a link to them rather than post them directly onto the forum. I'm a little anxious about it all but looking forward to the challenge.
Lynn
I'm curious, because of the comments regarding posting vs. linking of nudes. I would expect that the folks who would put up nudes here would be going for an artistic bend (as opposed to.. the Hustler factor). This leads me to wonder.. Are folks not allowed to post nudes directly? Or are there those who, let's say with ample warning in the thread title, might still object to artistic nudes?
Youth and Enthusiasm
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Age and Treachery
I'm curious, because of the comments regarding posting vs. linking of nudes. I would expect that the folks who would put up nudes here would be going for an artistic bend (as opposed to.. the Hustler factor). This leads me to wonder.. Are folks not allowed to post nudes directly? Or are there those who, let's say with ample warning in the thread title, might still object to artistic nudes?
I'd agree with you about the quality but linking gives the reader a choice of
whether to follow the link or not. Helps walk the fine line so to speak.
Moderator Journeys/Sports/Big Picture :: Need some help with dgrin?
I'd agree with you about the quality but linking gives the reader a choice of
whether to follow the link or not. Helps walk the fine line so to speak.
Digital Grin is still in it's formative stages, and as such, has not adopted any sort of policies regarding nudes yet.
While we're hashing this out, please link and clearly mark nudes.
thanks
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
I truly hope that the powers that be at "Digital Grin" do not vote in favor of eliminating artistic nudes from the site... There is quite a broad line between artistic and pornographic, and I would hope that on a site such as this, members would choose to post responsibly and in good taste or, face the consequence of being blocked and removed from the forum, permanently.
I view the human body as a beautiful thing. A work of art, in and of itself. When putting this work on the web, one needs to adhere to a few fast rules, i.e. nothing that tends towards eroticism, and no sex, in order to shy away from being offensive to other viewers and my models. Personally I opt to never post my nude work when you can clearly make out the face of my model(s), even with their permission. I believe that they have the right of anonymity.
I am even more careful about photographing children. In this age of “child pornography on the web,†I strive to angle the shot in such a way that no genitalia shows. It is sad that our society has stooped to such a level, but since it has, I have found myself easily bending to what is politically correct, regarding children. Not too overlook the fact that I would never want one of my images of a child to be mis-used.
Perhaps, rather than ban nudes altogether, or rather than insist all nudes be linked, there could be a trial period, to see if those who would post to the site(myself included), would “play by the rules,†and be “nice.†All this being said, I am in favor of posting tasteful nudes to the site, but feel that the subject line should be clear in stating that the image contained in the message is NUDE.
I hope I haven't spoken out of turn...
Just my nickles worth. I don't wish to offend.
I remain,
ginette
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
Ginette, I don't think I could agree with you more. I can see that this site is used not infrequently by non-U.S. folks, as well, and I can't help but wonder/chuckle at what they must think of us Puritans. (No insults intended at all, I was brought up with the same mindset, and have struggled to be free of it.)
Other than that, I have little more to add other than my beau and some others just started up a site with the express intention to not censor (unless there is blatant disrepect towards another member). We have a forum that is viewable only to registered members. We (the moderators and site admins) struggled with the idea of a U.A., and ultimately decided against it. Our site is ad-free, and paid for by us, therefore we rule the roost and decide the rules. The only thing we do is, upon registration, require the registrant to be 18 because we are definitely a more adult-oriented site (all that free-speech can lead to outbursts of colorful language, plus the Den of Decadence does have some nudes posted).
It took us a few weeks to hash all this out, but hashed it has been. We have had some problems, but our worst "problem child" was apparently "over-tolerated", and when he saw that we weren't going to ban him, but instead show him the error of his ways, he up and left. <giggle>
Youth and Enthusiasm
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
Ginette, I don't think I could agree with you more. I can see that this site is used not infrequently by non-U.S. folks, as well, and I can't help but wonder/chuckle at what they must think of us Puritans. (No insults intended at all, I was brought up with the same mindset, and have struggled to be free of it.)
Puritans.... Yes I guess in general, Americans, as a collective may well be seen that way... I am a dual citizen, my mother never took on American Citizenship, and I am proud of my dual French / American heritage. But really that is a different subject for a different forum.
But I guess, when I think about it, even most of my friends outside of the "artsy" world, are less open minded when thinking of the human form, than my immediate family. All five of my children have been exposed to various forms of art from a very young age. I think art and it's expression regarding the human form, is a very important to our growth. The masters never thought twice about painting or sculpting the nude form. Were I talented enough to wield the artists brush, I know for a fact I would be painting bodies, but since that is not my forte I create my view of art "through the lens."
Even so, I know and can easily recognize when the line between art and pornography is crossed, as I suspect can most of us. I would not withdraw from this forum were they to ban "the nude form," but I do think that it would be a loss of ones voice to sing a chord that might well be beautiful, and appreciated by the larger group than the minority. Then again, I concede that I might well be wrong in my thinking, --perhaps I am a small voice of the minority.
I remain, as ever
ginette
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
It really comes down to this. Regardless of what one is personally comfortable with, there are those out there who view the forums from their places of work. There are companies, organizations, etc that have a zero tolerance policy on things such as nudity. If someone were to click on a thread where it was displayed there could be unintended consequences.
The only kind and safe thing to do is to provide a link to the picture in question and inform those reading that the link will take you to the photo in question and that it does contain nudity. That way no one is censored, no one can get into trouble accidentally, and all are served.
As the moderator of the this particular forum, unless told to do otherwise, this is what will be done. If a post is made and a photo displayed of a nude, it will be converted to a link if I come across it or I am informed about it.
So save everyone time and effort. If you want to post a picture of a nude, link it, do not put it in line.
Creator of Dgrin's "Last Photographer Standing" contest
"Failure is feedback. And feedback is the breakfast of champions." - fortune cookie
And with that being said, I can say that, should you wish to post such photos on our site (check my profile), you certainly may. Our one request is that all such photos stay within the Den, or in Sharkky's Dark Room with notification in the title (because we do indeed have folks who peruse from work, as well as those who prefer to view when the little ones are down for the night).
Actually, Ginette, I think this subject has the makings of a very good thread, I may start one on ttth on just this very subject. At this time we don't have much in the way of foreign membership (though I do have a friend in London who operates another site that has much more 'flavor'), but we do have some real characters (oy, do we).
Then there are the geeks..
In the meantime, from here, we view the links!
Youth and Enthusiasm
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
And with that being said, I can say that, should you wish to post such photos on our site (check my profile), you certainly may. Our one request is that all such photos stay within the Den, or in Sharkky's Dark Room with notification in the title (because we do indeed have folks who peruse from work, as well as those who prefer to view when the little ones are down for the night).
Actually, Ginette, I think this subject has the makings of a very good thread, I may start one on ttth on just this very subject. At this time we don't have much in the way of foreign membership (though I do have a friend in London who operates another site that has much more 'flavor'), but we do have some real characters (oy, do we).
Then there are the geeks.. <giggle>
In the meantime, from here, we view the links!
:spam
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Interesting, not one person from the other sites I use has accused me of spamming when I direct them to you folks. :nono
Do you think my site actually competes with this one?
Youth and Enthusiasm
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
No, not at all. Quite the opposite. We'd love for you to spread the word.
I was puzzled as to why Fish accused you of spam. I think he just wanted a little attention.
i'm an attention whore...what can I say? i'm bummed that waxy has twice my post count :cry
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
No kiddin... how'd we go from nudes to guns? Sorry waxy, I feel your pain.
ha!
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
No kiddin... how'd we go from nudes to guns? Sorry waxy, I feel your pain.
How about this...
Will this pass the muster? Or as my son would say, "mustard?"
I remain,
reprimanded
ginette
Shot with Nikon N90, f11 Kodak Gold 200, in Natural window light, and flash at 400 asa pushed, then scanned negative into Photoshop 7@ 1200dpi converted to PSD @ 600dpi, to JPeg @90dpi then saved at gif format
Oh my God, I am IN LOVE! <sigh> I am finally with a guy whose baby I want to have, and I just turned 40 and he just turned 44.. no babies in our future.. except maybe grandbabies. Between the two of us we've got three boys, and they had BETTER not (just yet)!
Youth and Enthusiasm
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
Shot with Nikon N90, f11 Kodak Gold 200, in Natural window light, and flash at 400 asa pushed, then scanned negative into Photoshop 7@ 1200dpi converted to PSD @ 600dpi, to JPeg @90dpi then saved at gif format
Beautiful shot. Maybe we ought to start a thread on baby pics?
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Comments
looking and I wonder about placement and the use of a softbox with
egg-crates for portrait work.
ian
I'd love to see some of your black and white nudes. It might be an idea to post a link to them rather than post them directly onto the forum. I'm a little anxious about it all but looking forward to the challenge.
Lynn
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
whether to follow the link or not. Helps walk the fine line so to speak.
Digital Grin is still in it's formative stages, and as such, has not adopted any sort of policies regarding nudes yet.
While we're hashing this out, please link and clearly mark nudes.
thanks
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
My Nickles Worth Regarding "Artistic Nudes"
I truly hope that the powers that be at "Digital Grin" do not vote in favor of eliminating artistic nudes from the site... There is quite a broad line between artistic and pornographic, and I would hope that on a site such as this, members would choose to post responsibly and in good taste or, face the consequence of being blocked and removed from the forum, permanently.
I view the human body as a beautiful thing. A work of art, in and of itself. When putting this work on the web, one needs to adhere to a few fast rules, i.e. nothing that tends towards eroticism, and no sex, in order to shy away from being offensive to other viewers and my models. Personally I opt to never post my nude work when you can clearly make out the face of my model(s), even with their permission. I believe that they have the right of anonymity.
I am even more careful about photographing children. In this age of “child pornography on the web,†I strive to angle the shot in such a way that no genitalia shows. It is sad that our society has stooped to such a level, but since it has, I have found myself easily bending to what is politically correct, regarding children. Not too overlook the fact that I would never want one of my images of a child to be mis-used.
Perhaps, rather than ban nudes altogether, or rather than insist all nudes be linked, there could be a trial period, to see if those who would post to the site(myself included), would “play by the rules,†and be “nice.†All this being said, I am in favor of posting tasteful nudes to the site, but feel that the subject line should be clear in stating that the image contained in the message is NUDE.
I hope I haven't spoken out of turn...
Just my nickles worth. I don't wish to offend.
I remain,
ginette
Other than that, I have little more to add other than my beau and some others just started up a site with the express intention to not censor (unless there is blatant disrepect towards another member). We have a forum that is viewable only to registered members. We (the moderators and site admins) struggled with the idea of a U.A., and ultimately decided against it. Our site is ad-free, and paid for by us, therefore we rule the roost and decide the rules. The only thing we do is, upon registration, require the registrant to be 18 because we are definitely a more adult-oriented site (all that free-speech can lead to outbursts of colorful language, plus the Den of Decadence does have some nudes posted).
It took us a few weeks to hash all this out, but hashed it has been. We have had some problems, but our worst "problem child" was apparently "over-tolerated", and when he saw that we weren't going to ban him, but instead show him the error of his ways, he up and left. <giggle>
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
The only kind and safe thing to do is to provide a link to the picture in question and inform those reading that the link will take you to the photo in question and that it does contain nudity. That way no one is censored, no one can get into trouble accidentally, and all are served.
As the moderator of the this particular forum, unless told to do otherwise, this is what will be done. If a post is made and a photo displayed of a nude, it will be converted to a link if I come across it or I am informed about it.
So save everyone time and effort. If you want to post a picture of a nude, link it, do not put it in line.
"Failure is feedback. And feedback is the breakfast of champions." - fortune cookie
Actually, Ginette, I think this subject has the makings of a very good thread, I may start one on ttth on just this very subject. At this time we don't have much in the way of foreign membership (though I do have a friend in London who operates another site that has much more 'flavor'), but we do have some real characters (oy, do we).
Then there are the geeks..
In the meantime, from here, we view the links!
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
:spam
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Do you think my site actually competes with this one?
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
But honestly, do y'all mind me telling other folks about this place?
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
I was puzzled as to why Fish accused you of spam. I think he just wanted a little attention.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
i'm an attention whore...what can I say? i'm bummed that waxy has twice my post count :cry
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
hall? Approaching 30K.
Let's go shooting someplace this weekend.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
How about this...
Will this pass the muster? Or as my son would say, "mustard?"
I remain,
reprimanded
ginette
Shot with Nikon N90, f11 Kodak Gold 200, in Natural window light, and flash at 400 asa pushed, then scanned negative into Photoshop 7@ 1200dpi converted to PSD @ 600dpi, to JPeg @90dpi then saved at gif format
Are No Match For
Age and Treachery
now I know guns.....
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson