What policy is this

Awais Yaqub

The hotel i was working for loved the images and i gave them 600 images out of them i asked them to pay for 300 images.

Now they are saying they will only pay for images that will appear on advertisment 42 images they will use others but not for promotional purpose. :huh Then he said we will pay you for any image that will be used in advertisment next.

I told him this is not my concern where how and when you will use the image i have incured the cost and time. etc etc then he said he will discuss with boss.

I am on a wrong way or they are?

urbanaries

In the commercial world it is standard to charge for shooting time, but the images themselves are subject to "per use" licensing fees.

This link might help you.
http://photographersindex.com/stockprice.htm

Awais Yaqub

urbanaries wrote:

In the commercial world it is standard to charge for shooting time, but the images themselves are subject to "per use" licensing fees.

This link might help you.
http://photographersindex.com/stockprice.htm

Thanks
Isn't it insane from 90 images they will print only 2 though they love all others and found them usable.
He also says they want me to do architectural photography for new hotel they are building but policy is very costly.

cmason

Awais: I think you are correct...but look on the bright side: this job will be very helpful in bringing you others!.

Next time, you may wish to ensure that your terms are settled before you do the job. Shooting time and license charges should be outlined at that beginning, so that both photographer and client understand what the fees and expectations are.

Awais Yaqub

cmason wrote:

Awais: I think you are correct...but look on the bright side: this job will be very helpful in bringing you others!.

Next time, you may wish to ensure that your terms are settled before you do the job. Shooting time and license charges should be outlined at that beginning, so that both photographer and client understand what the fees and expectations are.

Yes true this is what we decided now actually they were in rush as they had to launch advertisments for holy month lots of food.
Actually he told me this is the way he dealed photogs in America so i thought may be i was wrong so i asked

SloYerRoll

Awais,

I love your work and have allot of respect for you.

I don't feel bad for you or the situation your in though. You have been in these forums long enough to KNOW to have a signed contract before you even break out your camera.

You just go in there and hope they'll give you what you deserve? Big businesses didn't get big by throwing money away.

I spent a decent amount of time consulting w/ food photogs for you so you would know how much you could charge when you negotiated w/ the hotel as far as compensation. That PM obviously fell on deaf ears. As does this post w/ me.

Respectfully,
-Jon

Icebear

Cultural differences
I wonder if the world of contracts is very different in Pakistan than in European/North American countries? Before we whup up on someone for not taking advice, we need to know these things.

SloYerRoll

Icebear wrote:

I wonder if the world of contracts is very different in Pakistan than in European/North American countries? Before we whup up on someone for not taking advice, we need to know these things.

SloyerRoll wrote:

I spent a decent amount of time consulting w/ food photogs for you so you would know how much you could charge when you negotiated w/ the hotel as far as compensation. That PM obviously fell on deaf ears. As does this post w/ me.

Awais approached me before he shot this project via PM and asked me to talk to some food photogs that I knew. I happily spent about 6 hours talking to the photogs about how to price this and gave all that info to Awis in a neat little package via PM. I KNOW he knew better than to do this.

I appreciate your desire to help out when from the exterior it seems that I'm jsut bashing him. There's much more to it than that though.

Yes it seems harsh. I posted my initial post in haste since I was reacting to how I felt my work to help someone was treated. Hindsight being what it is. I could have worded it better.

Awais Yaqub

Yes thats true. I don't have problems even with price of 42 pictures because it will be a lot at least for me. I thought i should ask what is the right way, because he said he use to deal with photogs in USA that way too.

Icebear

Why I Like This Forum
This is such a civil place. Criticism is almost always well intentioned here. In many (most) other forums it seems like people use the anonymity of cyberspace as license to spew really hateful, cutting and outrageous things to others. I no longer waste my time on those forums.

For what it's worth, I usually use the "preview post" button before pressing "submit". Having to "press go" twice is a good "moderator" for me.

Awais Yaqub

Actually i got toooo excited as this was my 1st time.
And i should have asked about the policy and terms 1st .
Hey everyone has right to be stupid

aerialphoto

Awais Yaqub wrote:

Isn't it insane from 90 images they will print only 2 though they love all others and found them usable.

Kind of late getting to the thread but... I've had run-ins with clients for similar reasons. In our aerial photography world we take pictures along a predefined area of ground - we're not composing images and shooting them one at a time. Over a given distance at a certain altitude I can calculate precisely the number of images I'll take.

The area shot is specified by the client, yet I've had clients insist they only pay for the certain images they end up actually needing.

So I have to pay for the fuel/time on the airplane, and the film and processing (we pay for each by the foot of film) for the entire shoot - but they pay for what they actually end up using, even after they specifiy the area they want covered?

I don't think so!

claudermilk

That's where the day rate (or creative fee as it seems to be getting called lately) comes in--covers those basic expenses. Then the client pays only to license the images they are interested in. At least that's how I understand it.