Calling all experts.

Angelo · March 2, 2005

I have 6 threads up with images I'd really appreciate some input on from the pros.

6 of the 9 posts over the past 5 days have had 579 hits with only 47 comments (8%) and only 1 from a moderator. So, please take a look when you have time; I'd really like to know your thoughts. Thanks.

"Table for 3"
"Function"
"Ch 33 Surprise"
"WD40"
"Balconies"
"The Morning After"

dkapp · March 2, 2005

Links would be helpful. Judging by your numbers, that sounds about right.

Dave

Andy · March 2, 2005

Angelo wrote:

I have 6 threads up with images I'd really appreciate some input on from the pros.

6 of the 9 posts over the past 5 days have had 579 hits with only 47 comments (8%) and only 1 from a moderator. So, please take a look when you have time; I'd really like to know your thoughts. Thanks.

"Table for 3"
"Function"
"Ch 33 Surprise"
"WD40"
"Balconies"
"The Morning After"

angelo - it's getting harder to keep up! hang in there, folks will stop by and comment. 47 comments is alot! that's about right, the %age of poster to viewer (lurkers).

so what you really want to be doing is encouring the lurkers to get their butts off the bench and start posting

10000 baldy-bucks to the next 50 lurkers that make their first post tonight

Angelo · March 2, 2005

andy wrote:

angelo - it's getting harder to keep up! hang in there, folks will stop by and comment. 47 comments is alot! that's about right, the %age of poster to viewer (lurkers).

so what you really want to be doing is encouring the lurkers to get their butts off the bench and start posting

10000 baldy-bucks to the next 50 lurkers that make their first post tonight

OK, a new DELURKERS challenge is in the works?

Angelo · March 2, 2005

andy wrote:

10000 baldy-bucks to the next 50 lurkers that make their first post tonight

Thanks Andy.

I get a 10% instigator fee!

John Mueller · March 2, 2005

Then there is that darn google spider always lurking:D
I want to hear what he/she has to say

Kalamata · March 2, 2005

Angelo wrote:

I have 6 threads up with images I'd really appreciate some input on from the pros.

6 of the 9 posts over the past 5 days have had 579 hits with only 47 comments (8%) and only 1 from a moderator. So, please take a look when you have time; I'd really like to know your thoughts. Thanks.

"Table for 3"
"Function"
"Ch 33 Surprise"
"WD40"
"Balconies"
"The Morning After"

Your surf shots "in tight" got a good responce 35/266
subject matter may have a lot to do with it.
Are non pros allowed to respond

Cheers, Ed

Angelo · March 2, 2005

Kalamata wrote:

Your surf shots "in tight" got a good responce 35/266
subject matter may have a lot to do with it.
Are non pros allowed to respond
Cheers, Ed

Hi Ed: Of course I want newbies and no pros to comment but they do by and large.

Oh and I haven't any surf shots... that must be someone else.

:

John Mueller · March 2, 2005

Angelo,maybe your putting too many images up for comment. Perhaps just put up a couple and work with those for a few days.Bump it back up and press that your looking for comments etc.
Maybe we can signal in the title that "this one is looking for comments" with a (*) or such.
Personally,I post just to share,if someone comments thats fine,if not thats ok with me also.
Just my nickels worth.
John

Andy · March 2, 2005

current statistics @ dgrin
~15-25 new user registrations per day
~60 new threads a day
~500-600 new posts a day

so, lots to keep up with....

everyone: give as much as you expect to get
lurkers: get yer butts offa the bench!

thanks all for making this a great place

Kalamata · March 2, 2005

Angelo wrote:

Hi Ed: Of course I want newbies and no pros to comment but they do by and large.

Oh and I haven't any surf shots... that must be someone else. :

It was, sorry my mistake.
Ed

fish · March 2, 2005

Angelo wrote:

I have 6 threads up with images I'd really appreciate some input on from the pros.

only from pros, huh? well sod off, then. :pissed

luckyrwe · March 2, 2005

Calling all experts? Sound out the word...

An EX is a has-been...

And a SPURT is a drip under pressure.

Angelo · March 3, 2005

fish wrote:

only from pros, huh? well sod off, then. :pissed

Aren't you one of those pros? (moderators)

Angelo · March 3, 2005

luckyrwe wrote:

Calling all experts? Sound out the word...

An EX is a has-been...

And a SPURT is a drip under pressure.

Mongrel · March 3, 2005

I'll take a look Angelo,
But, just to 'up-front', I am not a *pro* nor am I an expert.

AND...

I used to be quite active at an online phot-critique site and spent a lot of time viewing pics and commenting. I'm not really active there anymore for a number of reasons but I did learn a thing or two.

There are basically two types of critiqueing (sp?) of pics that I've seen-

1. Just about anything is a "Great Shot!" and "Well Done!" and "Beautiful Colors!" etc. People sometimes really don't care to hear what others think of their shot, they like 'em just fine thank you. Or they are only sharing as one might show a few snaps to friends or family at a get-together. There is *nothing* wrong with this at all. (I rarely comment on this type of pic though-not to be mean or 'elitist' or anything, I look for something that interests me or moves me...).

2. A *solicited* critique based on the viewers objective understanding of 'photography' and the viewers subjective likes and dislikes.

I try to maintain a balance of both, giving both postive and negative feedback where *I* fell it is justified. A lot of this depends on why the shot was posted AND if the poster really WANTS honest critique.

Some people just like to put pics up-and that is fine, others put pics up because they REALLY want to hear what others think of them. Since you have asked for opinions-I will give mine but only in the context of what I've said above.

I hope that's 'OK'.

ADDED:

Angelo-remember never let another artist *poke* you in the eye (your artistic eye), and never put your fingers in your ears!

If you dig the shot-stick to your guns and run with it. Expert opinion or not.

Oh, I did read some of the older posts on how to 'properly critique' a photo. Not that I remember any of what I read-lol

gus · March 3, 2005

[QUOTE=andylurkers: get yer butts offa the bench!

[/QUOTE]

Whilst we are cutting loose..what is dissapointing to me is

...those that throw up one photo a week/fortnight...stand back & want opinions/praise or whatever

whist they rarely offer a single comment on other peoples photos.

.

gus · March 3, 2005

MHJS wrote:

Personally,I post just to share,if someone comments thats fine,if not thats ok with me also.
Just my nickels worth.
John

Thats about it for me also....

dkapp · March 3, 2005

andy wrote:

~15-25 new user registrations per day
~60 new threads a day
~500-600 new posts a day

so, lots to keep up with....

everyone: give as much as you expect to get
lurkers: get yer butts offa the bench!

thanks all for making this a great place

This explains a lot. I've not been able to keep up with this site for a few weeks now. I used to be able to follow all new posts & felt more connected to the people. Now I just wander around with no real purpose & then leave...

You can only read so many "Nice Shot!", "Beautiful!" and "Stunning" before your mind goes numb.

Dave

dkapp · March 3, 2005

Angelo wrote:

I have 6 threads up with images I'd really appreciate some input on from the pros.

6 of the 9 posts over the past 5 days have had 579 hits with only 47 comments (8%) and only 1 from a moderator. So, please take a look when you have time; I'd really like to know your thoughts. Thanks.

"Table for 3"
"Function"
"Ch 33 Surprise"
"WD40"
"Balconies"
"The Morning After"

You never did post links, so I decided to look for them myself tonight. 5 of the 6 threads you have listed here are in the photo contest forum for the current challenge.

When I go through that forum, I look for multiple posts from one person. Right now, there are 6 from you. I'm not going to go through and leave comments on all 6, or any for that matter. Why would I want to critique a photo that you have already moved aside for something different? I could be a real waste of time for a lot of people.

My advice, keep it down to 1 thread. You'll get a lot more focused responses as people follow you through your though process & watch the progression. Right now, it looks like your throwing everything against the wall & seeing what sticks.

Just my 2 cents.
Dave

ginger_55 · March 3, 2005

Don't think this is off the subject, I can't keep up, either. Shooting, working up, and commenting.........

This is what I wanted to post. I ran into what seemed to me to be a traffic jam at landscape, birds, etc. Last night.

I wonder if each could have its own forum.

They are both popular subjects.
ginger

Angelo · March 3, 2005

Mongrel wrote:

But, just to 'up-front', I am not a *pro* nor am I an expert.

AND...

I used to be quite active at an online phot-critique site and spent a lot of time viewing pics and commenting. I'm not really active there anymore for a number of reasons but I did learn a thing or two.

There are basically two types of critiqueing (sp?) of pics that I've seen-

1. Just about anything is a "Great Shot!" and "Well Done!" and "Beautiful Colors!" etc. People sometimes really don't care to hear what others think of their shot, they like 'em just fine thank you. Or they are only sharing as one might show a few snaps to friends or family at a get-together. There is *nothing* wrong with this at all. (I rarely comment on this type of pic though-not to be mean or 'elitist' or anything, I look for something that interests me or moves me...).

2. A *solicited* critique based on the viewers objective understanding of 'photography' and the viewers subjective likes and dislikes.

I try to maintain a balance of both, giving both postive and negative feedback where *I* fell it is justified. A lot of this depends on why the shot was posted AND if the poster really WANTS honest critique.

Some people just like to put pics up-and that is fine, others put pics up because they REALLY want to hear what others think of them. Since you have asked for opinions-I will give mine but only in the context of what I've said above.

I hope that's 'OK'.

ADDED:

Angelo-remember never let another artist *poke* you in the eye (your artistic eye), and never put your fingers in your ears!

If you dig the shot-stick to your guns and run with it. Expert opinion or not.

Oh, I did read some of the older posts on how to 'properly critique' a photo. Not that I remember any of what I read-lol

Mongrel, DKapp, MHJS, Humungous:

Understand please that I posted this specifically because, of the threads I listed, none, with only one exception - WXWAX, had been commented on by another moderator.

DKapp I don't know how to "link" to threads, sorry, and I may have posted too many pictures in the past week and I understand your criticism, (harsh as it may have been :cry ), so I will now limit myself to one per forum.

I am guilty of some of the "well done" comments but only because I am not technically proficient enough to comment on EXIF details. I always try to comment as a means of encouragement and acknowledgement for the effort a fellow Dgrinner has shown. As a Creative Director I hope I can offer meaningful insight to a peer on content and step aside leaving technical input to those better qualified. My own "eye" will come as I get more comfortable handling my camera.

I came here and I post because I want to learn more about the technical aspects of photography not for ego stroking. I assumed most of that form of technical support input was coming from moderators. You're correct, We don't necessarily need "ugly vase" or "cute kitty" type comments.

I have posted several pictures that were done for fun or as a means of replying to another thread, which I didn't ask for nor expect comment on. I think many here do that occassionally.

I think the spirit of this original post was misunderstood so please accept my apologies. A mod is invited to close it if deemed appropriate.

Andy · March 3, 2005

Humungus wrote:

andy wrote:

lurkers: get yer butts offa the bench!

Whilst we are cutting loose..what is dissapointing to me is

...those that throw up one photo a week/fortnight...stand back & want opinions/praise or whatever

whist they rarely offer a single comment on other peoples photos.

.

yeah 'gus, folks have to give, to get

Andy · March 3, 2005

where would it stop?

ginger_55 wrote:

Don't think this is off the subject, I can't keep up, either. Shooting, working up, and commenting.........

This is what I wanted to post. I ran into what seemed to me to be a traffic jam at landscape, birds, etc. Last night.

I wonder if each could have its own forum.

They are both popular subjects.
ginger

ginger,

nice thought, but we cannot make sub forums for everything.... you do a yeoman's job

and are a worthy contributer here... don't feel like you have to hit every post my dear!

Andy · March 3, 2005

what is a moderator's job?

Angelo wrote:

Mongrel, DKapp, MHJS, Humungous:

Understand please that I posted this specifically because, of the threads I listed, none, with only one exception - WXWAX, had been commented on by another moderator.

angelo,

thanks for posting. you should know that not all the moderators are professionals. in fact, the majority of the moderators are devoted amateurs, excellent photographers in their own right, yes, but do not earn their primary incomes from photography. nor from dgrin, for that matter

one common thing we all have as a bond is a love for photography, and for dgrin. our job as moderators is to ensure the smoothness of the forums, help n00bs out, and moderate threads where appropriate (say, if a poster put up x-rated material or spam). our responsibility to comment, critique, help out is no more and no less than everyone else here at dgrin.... meaning, that everyone should be giving to others as much as they expect to get. this is what i meant about my posting above, regarding "lurkers getting off that bench

"

anyhow, keep posting, and commenting.

gubbs · March 3, 2005

Angelo,

It would be a big mistake to assume that as a mod we're any more technically qualified than you (well, me anyway

).

We all try to comment and help on as many posts as possible but that's because we're enthusiastic dgrin members & not because we're moderators. Our main job as a mod (as I see it) is to ensure that DGrin is a harmonious and pleasant place to learn about photography and display pictures. That involves reading an ever increasing amount of posts and consumes a fair amount of time, so with the best will in the world we can't get close to commenting on all of the pictures displayed.

wxwax · March 3, 2005

Humungus wrote:

Whilst we are cutting loose..what is dissapointing to me is

...those that throw up one photo a week/fortnight...stand back & want opinions/praise or whatever

whist they rarely offer a single comment on other peoples photos.

Yup.

wxwax · March 3, 2005

dkapp wrote:

This explains a lot. I've not been able to keep up with this site for a few weeks now. I used to be able to follow all new posts & felt more connected to the people. Now I just wander around with no real purpose & then leave...

You can only read so many "Nice Shot!", "Beautiful!" and "Stunning" before your mind goes numb.

Dave

That's why, if folks ask for feedback, I try to be honest about what I see and feel. If they don't ask for feedback, and I think the shot has problems, I tend not to comment.

The exceptions are for newcomers, who I try to encourage. And for shots that I really like.

dkapp · March 3, 2005

Angelo wrote:

Mongrel, DKapp, MHJS, Humungous:

DKapp I don't know how to "link" to threads, sorry, and I may have posted too many pictures in the past week and I understand your criticism, (harsh as it may have been :cry ), so I will now limit myself to one per forum.

I didn't mean for my post to come off so harsh. Thats the problem w/ forums & perceived tone on some replies. I'm just a short, to the point kind of guy. I guess you could say I'm the product of an industry full of liars & BS. My job was to cut through it all, eliminate excuses & get the job done.

I'd say keep posting as you have been. My suggestion to one thread was just for the challenges. It makes it easier for us as the viewer to follow your work & entry. I think it was a rule some time ago for just 1 thread per person, but that seems to have been dropped. Maybe with all the new activity Andy will bring it back. That should make life easier.

I didn't comment on any of your challenge entries, but I hope that my comments to your other posts were helpful. The post processing can make or break a photo. I think your going in the right direction.

As far as getting replies from mods, its over rated. Their just guys like everyone else. No superheros here.

Dave

wxwax · March 3, 2005

dkapp wrote:

As far as getting replies from mods, its over rated. Their just guys like everyone else. No superheros here.

Dave

Huh?

gubbs · March 3, 2005

wxwax wrote:

Huh?

What is he on about??

Calling all experts.

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