you got me on fps. I just looked at the stats of the two cameras and assumed that the better stats were Nikon in all cases.
However with the battery pack the D300 goes up to 8 fps.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
The votes seem to be pretty clear about the D300 option (I'm actually suprised I haven't gotten more votes for the 40D).
I'm just happy there is only one vote so far for Your pictures suck, get a point and shoot!
In reality, the choices will probably be 1, 3, and 6. Get a D200 now (since I won't be able to get a D300 any time soon) get my D70 fixed, and realize that I will have a D300. However, my searching hasn't found a lot of D200 available new and not a lot of great deals on D200s used.
Possibly, but not any time soon. I'm just going to keep hunting on the web and hope that a good price comes along at the same time that work lets up for a little bit.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I'd have to say that even if said jokingly, that was not a nice thing to say... Please apologize to all Nikon shooters on this forum for that remark.
(and I'm NOT joking)
Dev was joking when he directed his post toward me. He knew that I would see it as humor. It was not intended to be derogatory.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Dev was joking when he directed his post toward me. He knew that I would see it as humor. It was not intended to be derogatory.
I am likewise sure that devbobo intended this as a humorous "jab", directed at Harry and not the Nikon community. He shared the joke with all of us, hoping that we would understand. Harryb and devbobo have the sort of relationship which allows this sort of "playful banter" without harm or foul.
Dev was joking when he directed his post toward me. He knew that I would see it as humor. It was not intended to be derogatory.
Well, I understand this. But when typing on the WEB, people MUST remember a a few crucial things, if they remember NOTHING ELSE... words mean things and there are a multitude of people who will be reading your words. Once said, it's permanent and there is really only one way to retract words guided at a general group. So I still expect a public apology from devbobo. If you've not guessed, I was offended by his blanket statement. Even if it was directed at just yourself, it was publicly posted and I still read it!
OH, and it's so nice to have to read the OT posts. (NOT! :puke ) It seems this thread is back to the two sides bashing each other. So, where's a MOD when you need one?
I am likewise sure that devbobo intended this as a humorous "jab", directed at Harry and not the Nikon community. He shared the joke with all of us, hoping that we would understand. Harryb and devbobo have the sort of relationship which allows this sort of "playful banter" without harm or foul.
Zig... please read above. If you want a little "playful banter", maybe it belongs in a PM. But as you see, I don't care for this. And I've seen this stuff from these 2 before and they dance around "the line" on a regular basis... but this one crossed the acceptable line, IMPO.
I say go with the D80 - my brother has it and it is a sweet camera. Newer technology than the D200.
My second pick would be to go with the D200.
3rd - get the New Oly E-3 - that camera is gonna rock the house.
Well, I understand this. But when typing on the WEB, people MUST remember a a few crucial things, if they remember NOTHING ELSE... words mean things and there are a multitude of people who will be reading your words. Once said, it's permanent and there is really only one way to retract words guided at a general group. So I still expect a public apology from devbobo. If you've not guessed, I was offended by his blanket statement. Even if it was directed at just yourself, it was publicly posted and I still read it!
OH, and it's so nice to have to read the OT posts. (NOT! :puke ) It seems this thread is back to the two sides bashing each other. So, where's a MOD when you need one?
Zig... please read above. If you want a little "playful banter", maybe it belongs in a PM. But as you see, I don't care for this. And I've seen this stuff from these 2 before and they dance around "the line" on a regular basis... but this one crossed the acceptable line, IMPO.
Well devbobo?
Speaking for myself I have little patience for the religious Canon V Nikon wars. A camera is a tool and nothing more. If you visit other sites you will see a religious crusade being carried out by the opposing zealots. You don't see that on Dgrin.
Dev's remark was directed toward me and it was humorous. It might have been in bad taste but then most of humor can be viewed as being in bad taste by somebody. He didn't say that all Nikon users were idiots or bad people.
I do get annoyed when one of the rare Nikon related threads here get hijacked by a Canon zealot. I don't see this happening on the Canon related threads but then I don't view them very often. Ziggy has done a fine job here keeping the silliness to a minimal level.
On the other hand you have to keep a sense of humor on hand and allow some room for OT banter very now and then. If you go over this thread the OP got lots of good responses to his intial question and toward the end it got a bit light hearted with various light responses back and forth from members including the OP. Dev's post was in that vein.
We try to stay away from heavy moderating here at Dgrin. When posts devolve into stuff like personal attacks we will step in but otherwise try to let threads run their course.
I am sorry that you were offended but right now it looks like you were the only one. I may be wrong here and if other Nikon users were offended please let us know. My point is that if numerous Nikon users have viewed this thread and you are the only one offended then perhaps, just perhaps you might be a tad overly sensitive on this point.
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I say go with the D80 - my brother has it and it is a sweet camera. Newer technology than the D200.
My second pick would be to go with the D200.
3rd - get the New Oly E-3 - that camera is gonna rock the house.
The only downside I see to getting the D80 is that it uses sd cards (the only reason I thnk that sd cards are a downside is that I don't have any sd cards, but I do have about 12Gb of cf cards).
I am going to stick with Nikon due to the investment I have in Nikon lenses and equiptment. I might choose diferently if I hadn't broken my camera, but rather had all of my camera equptment stolen and had to start fresh (with insurance money hopefully). If that was the case, this thread might be a lot more interesting (or the debate more heated ).
Trust me, I'm here. If I detect any real bashing, I'm not afraid to step in.
I gauged this thread as being a little less than serious from the start, the nature of the "Poll" being the tip off, and the OP saying that, "with the full realization that ultimately I will ignore any group decision made and get what ever I want."
I rather expected a little silliness, but I am sorry you felt offended.
I suspect that devbobo will respond, but it may take him a while to do so. Please be patient in the meantime.
As for now, let's get back on topic and I appreciate swintonphoto and greepea guiding us there.
The only downside I see to getting the D80 is that it uses sd cards (the only reason I thnk that sd cards are a downside is that I don't have any sd cards, but I do have about 12Gb of cf cards).
Yes, that's an interesting way to delineate between the "consumer" cameras and their pro bodies. I see you can get an 8GB SDHC card, so capacity isn't a big deal.
1. I needed a camera quick (and according to what I was told, I wasn't going to see a D300 in 2007).
2. Got a good price
3. I still might get a D300
However, I'm still curious about what people would choose if they were in my shoes. When I figured out that a D300 was a ways out, I flip flopped between a D80 and a D200 for a while.
Yes, that's an interesting way to delineate between the "consumer" cameras and their pro bodies. I see you can get an 8GB SDHC card, so capacity isn't a big deal.
The D80 is a great camera and I don't see too much difference between it and the D200. The SD card thing alone isn't enough to justify the exta $$$ for the D200. Also, the magnesium alloy body vs plastic poly carbonate isn't a big deal the way I figure...anything that will crack a plastic poly carbonate body will rattle the insides of a magnesium alloy body enough to do some damage. However the fact that the D200 is weather sealled brings me some comfort (I was shooting on Saturday in wind and rain with a friends D50 inside a ziplock bag). And although my photography will probably never end up with Getty Images (which I pass every day on my way to work), I was once told that the minimum Nikon body that Getty will accept pictures from is a D200. Regardless of if that is true or not (and regardless of whether it should matter)...it sits there in my head making me want that minimum Nikon body.
Wow! I'm going to have to look this one up. That's a first (admittedly I don't
look at this kind of thing).
The comment came from a past photography instructor of mine, who has a number of images for sale on Getty. I never verified it, but regardless, its been stuck in my head.
... I was once told that the minimum Nikon body that Getty will accept pictures from is a D200. Regardless of if that is true or not (and regardless of whether it should matter)...it sits there in my head making me want that minimum Nikon body.
That would be curious since the D80 and D200 imagers are essentially the same, with a different number of channels allowing the D200 imager faster transfer speeds. Resolution and autofocus and metering are the same between the two.
According to Getty, for editorial images, you just need 3000 pixels on the longest edge, at 300 dpi, low compression JPG. Lots of images meet those criteria.
SmugMug Pro accounts allow you to set your own prices and SmugMug charges a fairly nominal fee for printing. I think I'll stay with SmugMug and just learn how to market my images more effectively.
That would be curious since the D80 and D200 imagers are essentially the same, with a different number of channels allowing the D200 imager faster transfer speeds. Resolution and autofocus and metering are the same between the two.
According to Getty, for editorial images, you just need 3000 pixels on the longest edge, at 300 dpi, low compression JPG. Lots of images meet those criteria.
SmugMug Pro accounts allow you to set your own prices and SmugMug charges a fairly nominal fee for printing. I think I'll stay with SmugMug and just learn how to market my images more effectively.
Congrats on the new camera! I just got a D200 myself except i have a little bit of a learning curve since I've been using a Fuji S5 Pro (got the D200 as a backup) ... same buttons but they do different things...
Congrats on the new camera! I just got a D200 myself except i have a little bit of a learning curve since I've been using a Fuji S5 Pro (got the D200 as a backup) ... same buttons but they do different things...
Check out Thom Hogan's ebook "The Complete Guide to the Nikon D200". On the advise of dpreview I got his D70 version and it brought me up to speed very quickly, well written and covers everything.
Only problem is he only sells the books as an ebook (pdf) on a CD, then if you want a hard copy you have to take to a copy place and have them copy it and bind it for you so the $35 book end up costing $50. Still worth it though.
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However with the battery pack the D300 goes up to 8 fps.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I'm just happy there is only one vote so far for Your pictures suck, get a point and shoot!
In reality, the choices will probably be 1, 3, and 6. Get a D200 now (since I won't be able to get a D300 any time soon) get my D70 fixed, and realize that I will have a D300. However, my searching hasn't found a lot of D200 available new and not a lot of great deals on D200s used.
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http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pho/440478725.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pho/442523122.html
And the current selection in Seattle...
(please note that these listings usually roll off a week after being posted...)
Possibly, but not any time soon. I'm just going to keep hunting on the web and hope that a good price comes along at the same time that work lets up for a little bit.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
(and I'm NOT joking)
Dev was joking when he directed his post toward me. He knew that I would see it as humor. It was not intended to be derogatory.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I am likewise sure that devbobo intended this as a humorous "jab", directed at Harry and not the Nikon community. He shared the joke with all of us, hoping that we would understand. Harryb and devbobo have the sort of relationship which allows this sort of "playful banter" without harm or foul.
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OH, and it's so nice to have to read the OT posts. (NOT! :puke ) It seems this thread is back to the two sides bashing each other. So, where's a MOD when you need one?
Zig... please read above. If you want a little "playful banter", maybe it belongs in a PM. But as you see, I don't care for this. And I've seen this stuff from these 2 before and they dance around "the line" on a regular basis... but this one crossed the acceptable line, IMPO.
Well devbobo?
My second pick would be to go with the D200.
3rd - get the New Oly E-3 - that camera is gonna rock the house.
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Speaking for myself I have little patience for the religious Canon V Nikon wars. A camera is a tool and nothing more. If you visit other sites you will see a religious crusade being carried out by the opposing zealots. You don't see that on Dgrin.
Dev's remark was directed toward me and it was humorous. It might have been in bad taste but then most of humor can be viewed as being in bad taste by somebody. He didn't say that all Nikon users were idiots or bad people.
I do get annoyed when one of the rare Nikon related threads here get hijacked by a Canon zealot. I don't see this happening on the Canon related threads but then I don't view them very often. Ziggy has done a fine job here keeping the silliness to a minimal level.
On the other hand you have to keep a sense of humor on hand and allow some room for OT banter very now and then. If you go over this thread the OP got lots of good responses to his intial question and toward the end it got a bit light hearted with various light responses back and forth from members including the OP. Dev's post was in that vein.
We try to stay away from heavy moderating here at Dgrin. When posts devolve into stuff like personal attacks we will step in but otherwise try to let threads run their course.
I am sorry that you were offended but right now it looks like you were the only one. I may be wrong here and if other Nikon users were offended please let us know. My point is that if numerous Nikon users have viewed this thread and you are the only one offended then perhaps, just perhaps you might be a tad overly sensitive on this point.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
The only downside I see to getting the D80 is that it uses sd cards (the only reason I thnk that sd cards are a downside is that I don't have any sd cards, but I do have about 12Gb of cf cards).
I am going to stick with Nikon due to the investment I have in Nikon lenses and equiptment. I might choose diferently if I hadn't broken my camera, but rather had all of my camera equptment stolen and had to start fresh (with insurance money hopefully). If that was the case, this thread might be a lot more interesting (or the debate more heated
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Trust me, I'm here. If I detect any real bashing, I'm not afraid to step in.
I gauged this thread as being a little less than serious from the start, the nature of the "Poll" being the tip off, and the OP saying that, "with the full realization that ultimately I will ignore any group decision made and get what ever I want."
I rather expected a little silliness, but I am sorry you felt offended.
I suspect that devbobo will respond, but it may take him a while to do so. Please be patient in the meantime.
As for now, let's get back on topic and I appreciate swintonphoto and greepea guiding us there.
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Congrats on the acquisition of the new D200
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Yes, D200 was the ultimate choice.
1. I needed a camera quick (and according to what I was told, I wasn't going to see a D300 in 2007).
2. Got a good price
3. I still might get a D300
However, I'm still curious about what people would choose if they were in my shoes. When I figured out that a D300 was a ways out, I flip flopped between a D80 and a D200 for a while.
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The D80 is a great camera and I don't see too much difference between it and the D200. The SD card thing alone isn't enough to justify the exta $$$ for the D200. Also, the magnesium alloy body vs plastic poly carbonate isn't a big deal the way I figure...anything that will crack a plastic poly carbonate body will rattle the insides of a magnesium alloy body enough to do some damage. However the fact that the D200 is weather sealled brings me some comfort (I was shooting on Saturday in wind and rain with a friends D50 inside a ziplock bag). And although my photography will probably never end up with Getty Images (which I pass every day on my way to work), I was once told that the minimum Nikon body that Getty will accept pictures from is a D200. Regardless of if that is true or not (and regardless of whether it should matter)...it sits there in my head making me want that minimum Nikon body.
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Wow! I'm going to have to look this one up. That's a first (admittedly I don't
look at this kind of thing).
Congrats on the new camera and hope you get many great shots from it
The comment came from a past photography instructor of mine, who has a number of images for sale on Getty. I never verified it, but regardless, its been stuck in my head.
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"The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera" - Dorothea Lange
That would be curious since the D80 and D200 imagers are essentially the same, with a different number of channels allowing the D200 imager faster transfer speeds. Resolution and autofocus and metering are the same between the two.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=nikon_d80%2Cnikon_d200&show=all
According to Getty, for editorial images, you just need 3000 pixels on the longest edge, at 300 dpi, low compression JPG. Lots of images meet those criteria.
http://corporate.gettyimages.com/marketing/grants_editorial/pdf/2006SubmissionGuidelines.pdf
For small quantities of images, you also need $50USD per image:
http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/miscellaneous-retail-retail-stores-not/4453193-1.html
SmugMug Pro accounts allow you to set your own prices and SmugMug charges a fairly nominal fee for printing. I think I'll stay with SmugMug and just learn how to market my images more effectively.
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He found a spare, and was offered my D100 as well....
I kind of figured my instructor was full of it.
Besides, he shoots Canon.
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Check out Thom Hogan's ebook "The Complete Guide to the Nikon D200". On the advise of dpreview I got his D70 version and it brought me up to speed very quickly, well written and covers everything.
Only problem is he only sells the books as an ebook (pdf) on a CD, then if you want a hard copy you have to take to a copy place and have them copy it and bind it for you so the $35 book end up costing $50. Still worth it though.
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