Editorial Use License Downloads

meatloaf · October 12, 2007

I provide my images as a photo service to print publications and web services and currently have to process them manually, slowing down the process. I would like to be able to allow digital downloads and see that the hook is there in PRO. I see SM Pro has the "Personal Use Licensed Downloads" and "Commercially Licensed Digital Downloads" license as an option. For photo services, these aren't worded good enough. What would be needed would be a 3rd option offered by SM labeled "Editorial and Non-Commercial Use Only" license. The "Personal" license is close to being worded sufficiently, but for the purpose of promoters, publicists and bands, there needs to be a specific "Editorial and Non-commercial Use Only" license changing the word "personal" to "editorial" in the body should be sufficient.

Andy · October 13, 2007

Thanks!

Kevin G · October 13, 2007

Add that you should be able to write a custom license for commercial use where you can provide dfferent types of rights.

If the photographer is really pro they probalby need more than just a standardized contract.

meatloaf · October 13, 2007

Andy wrote:

Thanks!

Hi Andy, Thanks for what?

Is the "Editorial Use Download License" something SM can add to Pro pricing?

meatloaf · October 16, 2007

meatloaf wrote:

Hi Andy, Thanks for what?

Is the "Editorial Use Download License" something SM can add to Pro pricing?

Hi Andy, any chance?
is this type request in the correct thread?

meatloaf · October 25, 2007

meatloaf wrote:

Hi Andy, any chance?
is this type request in the correct thread?

Hi ANdy, any comment, this is pretty imprtant to me (and i would think others too) and hope it wouldn't be a huge effort for SM...

meatloaf · November 14, 2007

editorial license in shopping cart
I provide my images as a photo service to print publications and web services and currently have to process them manually, slowing down the process. I would like to be able to allow digital downloads and see that the hook is there in PRO. I see SM Pro has the "Personal Use Licensed Downloads" and "Commercially Licensed Digital Downloads" license as an option. For photo services, these aren't worded good enough. What would be needed would be a 3rd option offered by SM labeled "Editorial and Non-Commercial Use Only" license. The "Personal" license is close to being worded sufficiently, but for the purpose of promoters, publicists and bands, there needs to be a specific "Editorial and Non-commercial Use Only" license changing the word "personal" to "editorial" in the body should be sufficient.

GJMPhoto · November 15, 2007

No response?
This is an interesting thread...

No response yet????

Hmmmmm..... Andy?

xris · November 15, 2007

GJMPhoto wrote:

This is an interesting thread...

No response yet????

Hmmmmm..... Andy?

Just a guess, but perhaps this is touching on the pending (yet-to-be-announced) 'stock photo' project?

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=61023

scratch

meatloaf · November 15, 2007

xris wrote:

Just a guess, but perhaps this is touching on the pending (yet-to-be-announced) 'stock photo' project?

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=61023

scratch

Yep, its seems un-typical of Andy not to reply with something...
This is important though Andy...

meatloaf · December 16, 2007

meatloaf wrote:

Yep, its seems un-typical of Andy not to reply with something...
This is important though Andy...

I provide my images as a photo service to print publications and web services and currently have to process them manually, slowing down the process. I would like to be able to allow digital downloads and see that the hook is there in PRO. I see SM Pro has the "Personal Use Licensed Downloads" and "Commercially Licensed Digital Downloads" license as an option. For photo services, these aren't worded good enough. What would be needed would be a 3rd option offered by SM labeled "Editorial and Non-Commercial Use Only" license. The "Personal" license is close to being worded sufficiently, but for the purpose of promoters, publicists and bands, there needs to be a specific "Editorial and Non-commercial Use Only" license changing the word "personal" to "editorial" in the body should be sufficient.

Andy · December 16, 2007

meatloaf wrote:

Yep, its seems un-typical of Andy not to reply with something...
This is important though Andy...

We hear you

Thanks for bumping this. I have no update to tell you about though, I'm very sorry.

videoopp · December 18, 2007

Andy wrote:

We hear you
Thanks for bumping this. I have no update to tell you about though, I'm very sorry.

I would like to add my vote for this option. Most of the images that I offer at my site are shots that I have taken of people in poverty in developing nations around the world. With issues of language barriers, illiteracy and such, it is virtually impossible to obtain traditional model releases for these images. I really need the "editorial use" license agreement option for my site. It seems like it should be an easy addition ....

Thanks for your consideration of this matter.

Frank

meatloaf · December 19, 2007

Editorial Use License
Hi Andy, I know i am a pest, but here goes anyway. This is VERY important... Rather than just saying "no, sorry", Maybe you can explain why this is not easy for SM to incorporate such an addition/mod. From the outside, it seems adding to a drop box selection and modifyling some verbaige would be a relativley easy mod to something that already exists in your system. Again this is VERY imprtant to me and others...

This is the way your commercial license reads verbatum:

License For Commercial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted commercial purposes, defined as:

advertising, promotion, brochures, packaging
as part of a commercial website for promotional purposes (maximum 800x600pixels) use
prints, posters, flyers, tearsheets for promotional purposes (not for resale)
prints, posters, or other commercial display of image
magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications
video, broadcast, theatrical

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
______________________________________________________
This is what I think would be suitable for editorial purposes. Anyone else can chime in too and offer better verbaige and support this request to get SM attention: Thanks all

License For Editorial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted editorial purposes, defined as:

as part of an editorial, news or informational website (maximum 800x600pixels), magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications and media, video and broadcast in context of providing news, information or commentary
non-advertising, non-promotion, non-brochures, non-packaging of any kind with written express written permission from the copyright holder
not intended for resale, prints, posters, or other commercial display of image where monetary or other compensation is transferred with express written permission of the copyright holder

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
__________________________________________________________
Happy Holidays All :deadhorse :deadhorse

jdGalleries · April 30, 2008

any updates on this?
Any updates on this? This is also very important to me as I sell mostly sports (cycling) photos and it's impossible to get a release to be able to offer the commercial license.

meatloaf wrote:

Hi Andy, I know i am a pest, but here goes anyway. This is VERY important... Rather than just saying "no, sorry", Maybe you can explain why this is not easy for SM to incorporate such an addition/mod. From the outside, it seems adding to a drop box selection and modifyling some verbaige would be a relativley easy mod to something that already exists in your system. Again this is VERY imprtant to me and others...

This is the way your commercial license reads verbatum:

License For Commercial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted commercial purposes, defined as:
advertising, promotion, brochures, packaging

as part of a commercial website for promotional purposes (maximum 800x600pixels) use

prints, posters, flyers, tearsheets for promotional purposes (not for resale)

prints, posters, or other commercial display of image

magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications

video, broadcast, theatrical

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
______________________________________________________
This is what I think would be suitable for editorial purposes. Anyone else can chime in too and offer better verbaige and support this request to get SM attention: Thanks all

License For Editorial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted editorial purposes, defined as:
as part of an editorial, news or informational website (maximum 800x600pixels), magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications and media, video and broadcast in context of providing news, information or commentary

non-advertising, non-promotion, non-brochures, non-packaging of any kind with written express written permission from the copyright holder

not intended for resale, prints, posters, or other commercial display of image where monetary or other compensation is transferred with express written permission of the copyright holder

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
__________________________________________________________
Happy Holidays All :deadhorse :deadhorse

chuckinsocal · April 30, 2008

It may not be too hard to add a high capacity text box at the end of the standard licenses where the photographer can type in additional terms that he/she may want for a specific situation. This would provide great flexibility plus the photographers can't complain that SM's licenses are inadequate.

Just a thought.

Chuck Cannova
www.customrideportraits.com

meatloaf · April 30, 2008

I'll BUMP this thread again. Its still real important to me, but Andy stopped replying to my replies... Thanks for offiering your idea. Anything would help..

chuckinsocal wrote:

It may not be too hard to add a high capacity text box at the end of the standard licenses where the photographer can type in additional terms that he/she may want for a specific situation. This would provide great flexibility plus the photographers can't complain that SM's licenses are inadequate.

Just a thought.

Chuck Cannova
www.customrideportraits.com

torags · January 20, 2009

BUMP!!!!

How about that idea to add a box that the photog can add wordage to the commercial license & get SM off the hook liability wise...

meatloaf · January 25, 2009

well, does SM have a reply or some other ideas for us?

TCS · June 22, 2009

meatloaf wrote:

well, does SM have a reply or some other ideas for us?

bump

Andy · June 22, 2009

Hi guys thanks for posting. I'm very sorry, I don't have any news either way on this topic. It's good that you're telling us what you want. And I do encourage you all to put your requests here, too: http://smugmug.uservoice.com

Thanks!

bettmo · April 30, 2010

I voiced my opinion for an editorial license! I can't figure out how to add one with the Paypal option that was suggested to me.:ivar

meatloaf · May 1, 2010

Bump

edhaynsworth · July 14, 2010

need editorial licence option
I totally need this too!

meatloaf wrote: »

Hi Andy, I know i am a pest, but here goes anyway. This is VERY important... Rather than just saying "no, sorry", Maybe you can explain why this is not easy for SM to incorporate such an addition/mod. From the outside, it seems adding to a drop box selection and modifyling some verbaige would be a relativley easy mod to something that already exists in your system. Again this is VERY imprtant to me and others...

This is the way your commercial license reads verbatum:

License For Commercial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted commercial purposes, defined as:
advertising, promotion, brochures, packaging

as part of a commercial website for promotional purposes (maximum 800x600pixels) use

prints, posters, flyers, tearsheets for promotional purposes (not for resale)

prints, posters, or other commercial display of image

magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications

video, broadcast, theatrical

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
______________________________________________________
This is what I think would be suitable for editorial purposes. Anyone else can chime in too and offer better verbaige and support this request to get SM attention: Thanks all

License For Editorial Use

What you can do: Photographer grants you a perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide license to use this image for permitted editorial purposes, defined as:
as part of an editorial, news or informational website (maximum 800x600pixels), magazines, books, newspapers, other printed publications and media, video and broadcast in context of providing news, information or commentary

non-advertising, non-promotion, non-brochures, non-packaging of any kind with written express written permission from the copyright holder

not intended for resale, prints, posters, or other commercial display of image where monetary or other compensation is transferred with express written permission of the copyright holder

What you may not do: Buyer may not resell, relicense, redistribute without express written permission from photographer. Use as a derivative work, and reselling or redistributing such derivative work is prohibited. Images may not be used in a pornographic, obscene, illegal, immoral, libelous or defamatory manner. Images may not be incorporated into trademarks, logos, or service marks. Image may not be made available for download.
Photographer retains all rights, license, copyright, title and ownership of the image(s).
There is no warranty, express or implied, with the purchase of this digital image file. Neither photographer nor SmugMug will be liable for any claims, or incidental, consequential or other damages arising out of this license or buyer's use of the image(s).
__________________________________________________________
Happy Holidays All :deadhorse :deadhorse

ladykassie · April 10, 2011

Yes.. I would like to have that option of Editorial Downloads.. I don't know what has to be done on the SmugMug side.. but think about it.. Stock photography sites don't charge for a yearly membership, where you can upload editorial photos. We pay here a yearly membership, so this will benefit not only us as a pro sales member here at Smugmug but everyone in whole.

ladykassie · April 11, 2011

ladykassie wrote: »

Yes.. I would like to have that option of Editorial Downloads.. I don't know what has to be done on the SmugMug side.. but think about it.. Stock photography sites don't charge for a yearly membership, where you can upload editorial photos. We pay here a yearly membership, so this will benefit not only us as a pro sales member here at Smugmug but everyone in whole.

Please make this happen for us..!

videoopp · November 9, 2011

It has been a while since I have checked into this. But now that I am thinking of marketing stock video, it comes up again. I just read through the commercial license again, and it doesn't work for my purposes, as most of my video has been shot in developing countries, where with language barriers and illiteracy, it is almost impossible to get model releases. Without model releases, I cant work with the commercial license the way it is worded. Is there any reason why we cannot either reword the license or have someone at SM develop a good "editorial Use" license?

Thanks

Ros · April 7, 2013

I'm amazed this thread has been going on for 6 years! I'm another photographer who needs to be able to use a different license to that provided by SmugMug. I sell digital files to musicians for use on their websites. They need to be able to use images as downloads on their sites, for use in press packs.

Come on SmugMug - surely this would be simple to resolve by making the license link editable, so photographers could link to their own license if necessary?

meatloaf · April 7, 2013

Still waiting too... Time flies.

Ros wrote: »

I'm amazed this thread has been going on for 6 years! I'm another photographer who needs to be able to use a different license to that provided by SmugMug. I sell digital files to musicians for use on their websites. They need to be able to use images as downloads on their sites, for use in press packs.

Come on SmugMug - surely this would be simple to resolve by making the license link editable, so photographers could link to their own license if necessary?

cyberfyber · November 5, 2013

meatloaf wrote: »

Still waiting too... Time flies.

So there was never an update in this regard?

Would love to be able to sell Editorial work with a license agreement catering to commercial images to be used in editorial pieces and such.

meatloaf · November 6, 2013

Editorial Use (or customizable) License
Still an important feature for pros...

Still no solution since 2007 - coming up on 6 year anniversary of request.
And this was added to smugmug feedback in 2009...

http://feedback.smugmug.com/forums/17723-smugmug/suggestions/230402-create-a-customizable-use-license-for-pros

Editorial Use License Downloads

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