lps17 - what a theme!

kp-pix

Easy peasy! All I need is NO makeup for decay :thumb:thwak Difficult one in reality. Artsy :yikes

Good luck all

TylerW

Thinking caps: On!

can't wait to see what folks come up with for this one!

HarleyPugs

Interesting time of year....
For growth....should be fun.

Jon

Tango

kp-pix,
i dont have much time to research, and i see you like B&W
so may i ask a qwik question?
first a fast background...ive never done anything with b&w inmind. and i already know what im gonna shoot for lps17, and i want to do it b&w.

question, is the b&w pre-set on my d200 good to use?, or should i use normal and transfer the pic to b&w.?
ive read b&w is hard to do right with good texture, so i thought you could point me in a good direction....

thanks, aaron

HarleyPugs

I am not kp-pix
but I would never shoot anything in camera as b+w only....because you can't get the color back if you wanted to. Shoot RAW then use your favorite post processing software to convert to b&w..that way you have both right????

Jon

Tango

thanks for that, aside from that point about color.. im really just wondering if the pre set b&w setting has a different way it picks-up the image or something technical...maybe i better start a new thread instead of chaging this threads subject...
or if anyone has a link send it my way via e-mail...thanks again

TylerW

Aaronzhere northere wrote:

thanks for that, aside from that point about color.. im really just wondering if the pre set b&w setting has a diffrent way it picks-up the image or something technical...maybe i better start a new thread instead of chaging this threads subject...
or is anyone has a link send it my way via e-mail...thanks again

Long story short of it, any camera that can shoot raw will pick up everything that it also picks up with shooting via a black & white preset. Its just up to you to edit and interpret it down to the final black & white image.

kp-pix

Hi Aaaron,

I agree with everything said above for sure, as you can really fiddle with the depths of tones with the raw file. I have the D80 and can use the b&w/sepia feature to get a rough idea on how the composition will brush up in b&w and that isn't a bad way to guage your shadows, but yes, definitely shoot in colour as it much easier to tweak till you get it the way you want it to be. Lightroom is my weapon of conversion usually, but I have been using PS more lately.

Good luck and keen to see your idea now

fmkjr

Aaronzhere northere wrote:

thanks for that, aside from that point about color.. im really just wondering if the pre set b&w setting has a different way it picks-up the image or something technical...maybe i better start a new thread instead of chaging this threads subject...
or if anyone has a link send it my way via e-mail...thanks again

I listened to a podcast this past summer (cannot remember the photographer) It might have been Rick Sammon or ? Either way... they stated to shoot in RAW then change in PS or Lightroom, etc. It works the best for me...

I do not want to hijack this thread...

If you use Lightroom, there are a tremendous number of presets available that do wonderful work... you can PM if you need more suggestions.
frank

Tango

thanks, pms coming soon....

back on topic...lps17
is it me or does it seem the potenal for dual topic is high with lps17?
everytime i think of something it is a dual topic...i.e. like a little tree growing through ruins (decay)...

btw, thats the subject im going out to shoot this weekend....its just a matter of a little travel....

btwII, i read that dual topics are discouraged, but i dont understand why for sure, i guess shay should show examples of what was considered a bad attempt...

kp-pix

Are they discouraged? I thought I read in one of the early ones, one or the other, or both if possible - maybe that changed the few that I missed from the beginning.

Bugger! Well bugger, still going with my idea anyway

Tango

well i guess i understand the point....i would like to see examples...

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=56837

Izzy Garavito

B&w
Hey Aaron, in a nutshell the problem I see with using the in-camera b&w processing is that it doesn't give you the flexibility of choosing which colors to process darker than others. for example, if a green and a blue are the same brightness in your color image, they will look the same in B&W--the camera will process them as the same shade. if, however, you do it in post, you can select to have the green or the blue darker than the other. Personally I don't like to have the camera make those decisions for me so I do it in PS. there's a ton of good information here on Dgrin about black and white conversion.

Good luck!

Izzy

kp-pix

hmmmm I don't think I have seen any that were a mix - sin or virtue had a few that could have been one or the other

HoofClix

Aaronzhere northere wrote:

btwII, i read that dual topics are discouraged, but i dont understand why for sure, i guess shay should show examples of what was considered a bad attempt...

To add my opinion, in Shay's style he is more likely to compliment a good example of dual themes than to knock down a bad use of one. In any event, if you think you've an image that's a really creative way to go at both sides of the theme, go for it.

As for the bw setting in your D200, once you take the image that way, you no longer have the ability to convert the tones based on the color channels that are present in a color capture. That's why everyone's suggesting it that way. Go over to Finishing School or Technique to learn more how to do it..

Shay Stephens

I generally discourage dual theme attempts, especially for newcomers, simply because a single theme is so much easier to pull off. However, if you can pull off a dual theme, have at it. They can be deceptively difficult to create but spectacular to view if done masterfully :-)

kp-pix

Nothing masterful about my idea just ambiguous if I enter it that is, still kicking this cold.

Thanks for the clarification!

Entered it! Not fussed. It was my immediate idea, the lighting was perfect for my original idea this morning, and a few hours later etc etc

Tango

thanks everyone for the help, and thanks to kp-pix for not yelling at me for all the off-topic.

Shay i brought it up for help, i really dont know do's - & dont's....
i just was hoping someone could show me a good example of a bad attempt at a dual theme...im just not sure what to avoid.

btw, i just love this forum & members, and the whole sort...
i will be here a long time...(even if i dont ever pull off a masterpiece, honestly i wouldnt even know it if i had...:D )
also, i look forward to everyones help, and i really look forward to everyones opinions to whatever i share.

btwII, did i mention how cool everyone in this forum is?

Hoofclix, thanks, im getting it...i just wanted to make sure not to go about doing a B&W the wrong way....and its now more clear thanks to everyone that the pre-B&W is not the way to go...
i just wanted to make sure the pre-B&W technically was not better at picking up the image to use as a B&W print or post...i think im explaining me-self lol

kp-pix

I have a husband (to-be) for that yelling bit all good. Good luck this round!