can I make Lightroom automatically correct vignette?

SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
edited February 1, 2008 in Finishing School
I know I can go in and select one image correct the vignette then sync the settings. I'm wondering if there's a more automated option though. Kind of like dXO does. (Even though I've never used dXO)

I just swapped from D50 to D200 and my primary walk around glass (18-70 f3.5-4.5G) has a very noticible increase in vignette. I can easily correct this in Lr. But I know it's gonna get old quick.

I'd also like to mention that the vignette appears to be very close in intensity throughout the entire focal range (and aperture) of this glass. So I'd be using the exact same settings for each shot I correct.

If there isn't. What about dXO? is it worth the investment? I really hate to run images through one app just to fix it so I can then do the rest of the work in Lr. I'm sure you understand thy though..

Ideas?

Cheers,
-Jon

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  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Registered Users Posts: 2,303 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    Don't know if it will work out for your way of doing things, but you can set a preset to be applied at import. It wouldn't differentiate between multiple lenses though...
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    Couldn't I could just turn off this setting though when importing shots w/ other glass?

    There's this cool functi0on with the D200. All I have to do is turn off the camera and turn it back on holding down the checkerboard button and it creates a new folder and save the shots in them. So If I ever switched glass. I'd just do that and separating shots would be a non issue.

    Can you go into a bit more detail about the preset or link me to something to read?
  • urbanariesurbanaries Registered Users Posts: 2,690 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    SloYerRoll wrote:
    Can you go into a bit more detail about the preset or link me to something to read?

    Forgive me if this is more detail than necessary...

    -correct an image that exhibits "normal" conditions for said situation
    -in Develop Mode, Preset panel, the + sign creates a new preset name
    -select which settings apply to this preset

    Then when you import photos:
    -at the bottom of the import dialog, select your new preset from the dropdown "apply preset to import photos." or something like that...I'm going from memory!

    I sometimes import one CF card in batches, depending on which presets I want or don't want applied to certain images import, to save time. Maybe in a later version they'll let us apply more than one...

    HTH
    Canon 5D MkI
    50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.8, 24-70 2.8L, 35mm 1.4L, 135mm f2L
    ST-E2 Transmitter + (3) 580 EXII + radio poppers
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    Thanks Lynne,

    It more than helps. It's EXACTLY what I'm looking for thumb.gif:D
    I'm so happy I found this out! I have all kinds of nits about my different glass I can easily fix now!

    Thanks again!

    Cheers,
    -Jon
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    Even for a single lens, vingetting depends on both the aperture setting and, if it is a zoom, the focal length as well. The only tool I know which provides completely automated corrections for lens issues is DxO Optics.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    I completely believe you Ken.
    It just didn't seem that way when I was comparing images.

    I think I'm gonna give DXO a shot. I've heard allot of good things about it.

    Am I wrong in thinking I can leave my workflow as is and just run DXO on my output jpegs? I know the native shots will have the vignette. But no one sees those anyway except me. It's just more motivation for me to get more glass... :)
    Cheers,
    -Jon.
  • urbanariesurbanaries Registered Users Posts: 2,690 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    SloYerRoll wrote:
    Thanks Lynne,

    It more than helps. It's EXACTLY what I'm looking for thumb.gif:D
    I'm so happy I found this out! I have all kinds of nits about my different glass I can easily fix now!

    Thanks again!

    Cheers,
    -Jon

    Yay! So glad it helped! remember this day, for it may not come again, when I gave YOU advice on a software program....rolleyes1.gifI think I may try the lottery this week on that note!
    Canon 5D MkI
    50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.8, 24-70 2.8L, 35mm 1.4L, 135mm f2L
    ST-E2 Transmitter + (3) 580 EXII + radio poppers
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    SloYerRoll wrote:
    I completely believe you Ken.
    It just didn't seem that way when I was comparing images.

    I think I'm gonna give DXO a shot. I've heard allot of good things about it.

    Am I wrong in thinking I can leave my workflow as is and just run DXO on my output jpegs? I know the native shots will have the vignette. But no one sees those anyway except me. It's just more motivation for me to get more glass... :)
    Cheers,
    -Jon.

    DxO works best when used as a RAW converter. Along with lens geometery corrections, vignetting, and CA, it will also perform lens specific sharpening and calibrated noise reduction as part of the RAW conversion.

    I find that the best way to use DxO is a Photoshop plugin. I let DxO do the RAW conversion and save the result as a .psd file which I then import into Lightroom. In this workflow I do all of my color and contrast adjustments in DxO (instead of my normal workflow where I do this in Lightroom). Then I am back on track for my normal workflow, layering local corrections on top of the RAW conversion in Photoshop and then cropping and converting to a JPEG in Lightroom.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    So what you say make sense. But does that mean you open every image you shoot in Ps, run your raw workflow, then import psd's to Lr?

    Is this process pretty much hand over fist editing or am I missing a step?

    Thanks for your input. I'm getting excited trying DXO out. I just finished the download and am installing now. :D
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    SloYerRoll wrote:
    So what you say make sense. But does that mean you open every image you shoot in Ps, run your raw workflow, then import psd's to Lr?

    Is this process pretty much hand over fist editing or am I missing a step?

    Thanks for your input. I'm getting excited trying DXO out. I just finished the download and am installing now. :D

    Here's my workflow:

    I use Lightroom to import my RAWs, select, and generate proofs. Only the selects will go to Photoshop; sometimes directly from Lightroom and sometimes through DxO.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    Thanks Ken thumb.gif
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    I have been meaning to document my full workflow in my blog. Someday I'll get to it.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    UGH...
    DXO isn't working as a plug-in. I tried the KB article here which tells me how to "fix" this. But it still just makes Photoshop shut down whenever I try to run the plugin:
    http://www.dxo.com/intl/photo/support/top_10/top_10_faq/CS3-plug-in-and-DxO-Windows-version/(offset)/0

    There was a cool little blurb on how to integrate DXO and Lr though. I haven't studied it yet to see if it's a viable alternative. I sure hope so though. At this point I never open photoshop except to clone or I'm doing design work. And that has nothing to do w/ my photography:
    http://www.dxo.com/intl/photo/support/top_10/top_10_faq/How-can-DxO-Optics-Pro-be-best-used-with-Adobe-R-Lightroom/(offset)/0
  • IcebearIcebear Registered Users Posts: 4,015 Major grins
    edited January 31, 2008
    DXO - PS plug-in
    I found this little gem in the DXO website:

    DxO Optics Pro import plug-in for Adobe® Photoshop® (not released yet for version 5)

    Guess you gotta wait.
    John :
    Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
    D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2008
    Oooo. I didn't notice that. I upgraded to V5, but V4 is still installed on my machine so I guess I see the V4 plugin in Photoshop. It looks like for the time being with V5 you gotta get from DxO to Photoshop through a TIFF. I'd still save as a .psd and then toss the TIFF, but what a hassle. Mabye there is some way to automate parts of that.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2008
    So I'm close to positive your running PS CS3.
    I'll just go find v4 and install that :)

    BTW I installed optics Pro on my machine... Didn't work. DXO may be great at optics. By they bite on development rolllout.
  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Registered Users Posts: 1,751 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2008
    SloYerRoll wrote:
    So I'm close to positive your running PS CS3.

    CS2 actually. So far I haven't found that desparate need to upgrade so at the moment my plan is to skip right to CS4 when it is release. We'll see if I stick with that.

    SloYerRoll wrote:
    I'll just go find v4 and install that :)

    BTW I installed optics Pro on my machine... Didn't work. DXO may be great at optics. By they bite on development rolllout.

    A lot of people have had trouble with DxO 5. I think that is because the new version uses the the video card GPU to render previews which opens an entirely new axis for platform compatibility issues. Personally, I waited for version 5.03 before I upgraded and have had no troubles with it.

    Version 4.5 was, IIRC, the last version prior to 5. The big upgrades from 4.5 are a better demosaicing algorithm and the faster previews. If you are try to maximize the effective resolution of your camera then the demosaicing is important; however it takes very good camera techniqe to get detail in your RAW images for the demosaicing technique to make a difference. That said, at first glance the noise reduction integrated into the demosiacing algorithm looks nice. I haven't really looked at it closely on a noisy image, but I'll be looking at it in detail shortly.
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Registered Users Posts: 2,788 Major grins
    edited February 1, 2008
    Thanks Ken.

    Let me be the first to urge you to blog on your workflow. Your work (and I'm sure workflow) is well thought out and to the point like your posts here.
    I'd love to read about the mechanics of it.

    Cheers,
    -Jon
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