Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge

teamracephotosteamracephotos Registered Users Posts: 492 Major grins
edited February 25, 2008 in Wildlife
Has anyone seen this before?

http://www.fws.gov/merrittisland/MerrittIslandNWR-PublicNotice.html

Central Florida nature watchers / photographers I recently requested a special permit to stay in the refuge after dark. When doing so the Park Ranger informed me about the possibility of quite a large chunk of the refuge been closed to the public. "Site 2 has the potential to close all areas south of Haulover Canal to the public.” This would be horrible. MM
“I love not man the less, but Nature more.”
— Lord Byron

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  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    Has anyone see this before?

    http://www.fws.gov/merrittisland/MerrittIslandNWR-PublicNotice.html

    Central Florida nature watchers / photographers I recently requested a special permit to stay in the refuge after dark. When doing so the Park Ranger informed me about the possibility of quite a large chunk of the refuge been closed to the public. "Site 2 has the potential to close all areas south of Haulover Canal to the public.” This would be horrible. MM

    This is a potential disaster. MINWR brings in close to a million visitors a year to the area. I know that our area needs to keep the space launch programs to advert an area wide financial catastrophe but there has to be another location. The loss of income to the area from the closing of MINWR would be significant.
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • MaestroMaestro Registered Users Posts: 5,395 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    They, the government, definitely needs to restudy this. With the US and the Earth in general losing more and more natural areas, this is yet another long attempt by the government to use the last remaining untouched lands for its own benefit. I hope this does not happen. Before heading back to the Moon again, I think we need to make Mother Earth is cared for.
  • jwearjwear Registered Users Posts: 8,013 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    remember my post ne_nau.gif make a call deal.gif
    Jeff W

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  • teamracephotosteamracephotos Registered Users Posts: 492 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    Send an email too!
    If you follow the link I posted, at the bottom of that page is a email address where you can express your opinion. MM
    jwear wrote:
    remember my post ne_nau.gif make a call deal.gif
    “I love not man the less, but Nature more.”
    — Lord Byron
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    I have gone through the 125 page feasibility study on the project. NASA is proposing a project which would allow for the development and operation of a commercial launch complex on approximately 200 acres of Kennedy Space Center.

    They are looking at two potential sites#1 and #2. If site #2 is selected that could mean the closure of MINWR to the public. They are recommending that site A (#1) be chosen.

    Whatever site is chosen will impact on and/or destroy wetlands. They will affect primary and secondary scrub jay habitats.
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • jwearjwear Registered Users Posts: 8,013 Major grins
    edited February 23, 2008
    If you follow the link I posted, at the bottom of that page is a email address where you can express your opinion. MM
    I understand that ,this is only one project the other is the whole US an opinion on both is important .If not they will close or give away everything
    Jeff W

    “PHOTOGRAPHY IS THE ‘JAZZ’ FOR THE EYES…”

    http://jwear.smugmug.com/
  • Bruce NovotneyBruce Novotney Registered Users Posts: 81 Big grins
    edited February 24, 2008
    Sounds like a bad deal for everyone except NASA.

    A little off topic if you don't mind. We booked yesterday to visit my wifes girlfriend in Cocoa Beach next week for 5 days. She can visit and I plan to go off shooting most mornings and early evenings and was wondering if this is a good time for shooting birds in the Merritt Island Refuge?
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 24, 2008
    Sounds like a bad deal for everyone except NASA.

    A little off topic if you don't mind. We booked yesterday to visit my wifes girlfriend in Cocoa Beach next week for 5 days. She can visit and I plan to go off shooting most mornings and early evenings and was wondering if this is a good time for shooting birds in the Merritt Island Refuge?

    Hey Bruce,

    The MINWR is usually good for a look but this has been the slowest year there for wildlife in the 4+ years I've been down here. A much better location for wildlife shooting is the Viera Wetlands.
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • Bruce NovotneyBruce Novotney Registered Users Posts: 81 Big grins
    edited February 24, 2008
    Harryb wrote:
    A much better location for wildlife shooting is the Viera Wetlands.

    Thanks Harry,that was at the top of my list because I have seen some of the fantastic images you have produced from there.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 24, 2008
    Thanks Harry,that was at the top of my list because I have seen some of the fantastic images you have produced from there.

    If you want you can PM me with the date(s) and time(s) you're going to be at the wetlands and I may be able to stop by and guide you to some of the better shooting spots there.
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • teamracephotosteamracephotos Registered Users Posts: 492 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2008
    Hey Harry...
    It made the NEWS Today

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-bk-wildlife022508,0,2129325.story


    Harry
    One of the main reasons I go to the MIWFR is I can bring my dog. Can I bring him to Viera Wet Lands? MM






    Harryb wrote:
    Hey Bruce,

    The MINWR is usually good for a look but this has been the slowest year there for wildlife in the 4+ years I've been down here. A much better location for wildlife shooting is the Viera Wetlands.
    “I love not man the less, but Nature more.”
    — Lord Byron
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2008
    It made the NEWS Today

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-bk-wildlife022508,0,2129325.story


    Harry
    One of the main reasons I go to the MIWFR is I can bring my dog. Can I bring him to Viera Wet Lands? MM

    I just got back from the meeting and it was quite interesting. Out of the 200 attendees 199 opposed NASA's plans. The one dude who semi-supported it was the Republican candidate for the local state assemblyman position. You could tell he was a Republican because he had a crew cut and also walked like he had a stick up his butt. He told us how great NASA was and that we should trust them. He also said that they didn't hold meetings like this in China. headscratch.gif

    The birders, photographers, fishermen, nudists, artists, hunters, NASA workers, volunteers from MINWR, and just plan folks all spoke out against site 2 in particular.

    I asked the NASA reps and the rep from the company a series of questions.
    I said that their study indicated that 200 jobs would be created. I then asked how many would be new hires and how many would be existing workers from the company's pay roll. Answer: we don't know. I asked how many jobs would be lost if MINWR was closed. Answer: we don't know. I asked, assuming site 1 was selected how many launches a year did they anticipate from that site? Their answer: we don't know. I asked if MINWR would be closed 3 days before a launch as it is now? Their answer: we don't know. I then asked that if enough launches were scheduled during a year and if they closed MINWR for 3 days before those launches then might not choosing site 1 effectively close MINWR to the public as choosing site 2 would? Their answer: we don't know

    You could tell that their feasibility plan had considered all possibilities. :lol4

    I had the sinking feeling by the end of the meeting that site 2 was a straw man. It was thrown in the mix so that everyone would be relieved when site 1 got selected. If they just proposed site 1 by itself it would have been opposed as much as site 2 is being opposed now. By making it the lesser of two evils they can slide by w/o the strenuous opposition they would have received otherwise.

    Dogs are allowed in the Viera Wetlands.
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2008
    Hi Y'all,

    Right now we need e-mails to NASA. The final Environmental Report will be released in July for public comment when round 2 will start.

    The link I posted in my OP is not working right now. However the KSC link with the info is here. You can find newspaper articles here and here.

    I was going to do a draft letter but if they receive 100 identical e-mails they will have no impact. I would suggest hitting some or all of the following points in any e-mail

    *NASA has failed to study if they could use any of their existing unused facilities for the commercial launches. They haven't even considered using areas on the nearby Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

    *The proposed new launch facilities may create a few hundred jobs but the jobs lost due to the closing of MINWR and other areas to the public would cause the loss of even more jobs.

    *The environmental damage caused at either site would be a disaster. Once we lose these treasures we will never get them back.

    *Over a million people make use of MINWR and the other areas yearly to view nature, bird, take pictures, boat, fish, and hunt. The loss of these facilities would cause irreparable harm to the Space Coast.

    * Most important of all your own experiences. If you have visited MINWR tell them how what it meant to you. How much money did you spend during your visit, etc. Remind them that they "work" for us. It will be great if they build a commercial launch where millionaires can pay for a joy ride into space but there are more of us and we are important too.

    The NASA e-mail is KSC-CVLC@nasa.gov The dude who should get it is:
    Mario Busacca, Environmental Program Office
    Harry
    http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
    How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
  • teamracephotosteamracephotos Registered Users Posts: 492 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2008
    Thanks for going to the meeting!
    Harry, Thanks for going to the meeting. I wish I could have taken off work to go... but times are tight. Maybe I will run into out a the wet lands some time. MM

    Harryb wrote:
    I just got back from the meeting and it was quite interesting. Out of the 200 attendees 199 opposed NASA's plans. The one dude who semi-supported it was the Republican candidate for the local state assemblyman position. You could tell he was a Republican because he had a crew cut and also walked like he had a stick up his butt. He told us how great NASA was and that we should trust them. He also said that they didn't hold meetings like this in China. headscratch.gif

    The birders, photographers, fishermen, nudists, artists, hunters, NASA workers, volunteers from MINWR, and just plan folks all spoke out against site 2 in particular.

    I asked the NASA reps and the rep from the company a series of questions.
    I said that their study indicated that 200 jobs would be created. I then asked how many would be new hires and how many would be existing workers from the company's pay roll. Answer: we don't know. I asked how many jobs would be lost if MINWR was closed. Answer: we don't know. I asked, assuming site 1 was selected how many launches a year did they anticipate from that site? Their answer: we don't know. I asked if MINWR would be closed 3 days before a launch as it is now? Their answer: we don't know. I then asked that if enough launches were scheduled during a year and if they closed MINWR for 3 days before those launches then might not choosing site 1 effectively close MINWR to the public as choosing site 2 would? Their answer: we don't know

    You could tell that their feasibility plan had considered all possibilities. :lol4

    I had the sinking feeling by the end of the meeting that site 2 was a straw man. It was thrown in the mix so that everyone would be relieved when site 1 got selected. If they just proposed site 1 by itself it would have been opposed as much as site 2 is being opposed now. By making it the lesser of two evils they can slide by w/o the strenuous opposition they would have received otherwise.

    Dogs are allowed in the Viera Wetlands.
    “I love not man the less, but Nature more.”
    — Lord Byron
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