All time best -- Adult Portrait

ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
edited April 14, 2004 in People
I've been playing a little game with myself recently, inspired by this dgrin forum. Suppose I had to pick just one photograph in a particular category to represent myself. The best single shot of that sort that I ever took. It's an interesting excercise (though of course ultimately pointless) to figure out what makes for your best work. It's hard and cruel, like having to pick your favorite child. But unlike that excercise, this one does enforce a certain discipline. It's also very fun for me to dig though my shots. I've found lots of good ones that I didn't love at the time for some reason or another.

As a first step, I made a smugmug gallery for my all time best portraits. Then I forced myself to pick just one.... Well, I couldn't quite do that, so I changed the rules a little. Here is my all time best adult portrait. I'll start another thread for all time best children.

Anyway, I thought this was a fun game. Hope others will play.

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If not now, when?
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  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    I've been playing a little game with myself recently, inspired by this dgrin forum. Suppose I had to pick just one photograph in a particular category to represent myself. The best single shot of that sort that I ever took. It's an interesting excercise (though of course ultimately pointless) to figure out what makes for your best work. It's hard and cruel, like having to pick your favorite child. But unlike that excercise, this one does enforce a certain discipline. It's also very fun for me to dig though my shots. I've found lots of good ones that I didn't love at the time for some reason or another.

    As a first step, I made a smugmug gallery for my all time best portraits. Then I forced myself to pick just one.... Well, I couldn't quite do that, so I changed the rules a little. Here is my all time best adult portrait. I'll start another thread for all time best children.

    Anyway, I thought this was a fun game. Hope others will play.

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    God thats great... I have access to many old and wise people to photograph (my work is caring for them) I need to get over there and take some (means being in the work place tho...:(
    I'm inspired, great face, great shot.
    Lynn
  • tmlphototmlphoto Registered Users Posts: 1,444 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2004
    Adult Portrait
    Here's mine. 80+ years
    Thomas :D

    TML Photography
    tmlphoto.com
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited March 29, 2004
    kinda like my submission to best child portrait, this pushes the definition of portrait, but I love it anyway. I guess I'm kinda biased based on the subject, but still, of the hundreds of shots I have of her, this is the best:

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    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]


  • cletuscletus Registered Users Posts: 1,930 Major grins
    edited March 29, 2004
    I've shot a ton of pictures over the years but I've never done much portrait work. I guess this one is as close to a favorite as I have:

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  • BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited March 29, 2004
    ...My daughter, right after soccer practice.

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    ...Ten years earlier, when I thought she'd be into pink dresses:

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  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited March 29, 2004
    Baldy wrote:
    ...My daughter, right after soccer practice.

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    ...Ten years earlier, when I thought she'd be into pink dresses:

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    The picture of your daughter as an adult is wonderful. I never do as good a job with family members as I can do with others. It's like the difference between being at bat when it doesn't mean anthing vs when the whole season turns on it.\

    And for some reason I recognize the face in the second portrait..

    So this was ATB in both portrait categories? Very very nice.
    If not now, when?
  • zero-zerozero-zero Registered Users Posts: 147 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    Can't decide, really. But if we read "best" as "most happy with the result from a dismal situation", this would probably be it. We had nothing to work with here - no light, no background, no props, no time, no nothing - and he kept pulling nervous faces despite our best efforts. We had to do the math (literally!) in postpro, but saved the day.

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  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    cletus wrote:
    I've shot a ton of pictures over the years but I've never done much portrait work. I guess this one is as close to a favorite as I have:

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    great shot... looks like Willy:D
  • zero-zerozero-zero Registered Users Posts: 147 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    and if we define "best" as "portrait I'm most fond of, irrespective of picture quality", once we sift through all the family stuff, it would probably be this one. Probably because I really like Iturralde's music. Shot T-max 3200 pushed to 12000 using a handheld 200 2.8 (no supports, flash or lighting allowed). Were shooting 1/30 to 1/60, even with the iso boost (it was a badly lit café, not a real stage). Ah, the good old days... :D

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  • ShakeyShakey Registered Users Posts: 1,004 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    I have only had my Camera a short time so I dont have much to contribute.

    Cletus Awesome shot dude!!
  • cletuscletus Registered Users Posts: 1,930 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    DoctorIt wrote:
    kinda like my submission to best child portrait, this pushes the definition of portrait, but I love it anyway. I guess I'm kinda biased based on the subject, but still, of the hundreds of shots I have of her, this is the best:

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    I really like this picture!
  • cletuscletus Registered Users Posts: 1,930 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    zero-zero wrote:
    Shot T-max 3200 pushed to 12000 using a handheld 200 2.8 (no supports, flash or lighting allowed). Were shooting 1/30 to 1/60, even with the iso boost (it was a badly lit café, not a real stage). Ah, the good old days... :D
    Great shot! Excellent tone and a great composition.

    T-max 3200... I used to love that stuff. It's amazing how good it was for people pictures.
  • jimfjimf Registered Users Posts: 338 Major grins
    edited March 30, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    Suppose I had to pick just one photograph in a particular category to represent myself. The best single shot of that sort that I ever took. It's an interesting excercise (though of course ultimately pointless) to figure out what makes for your best work.

    This is certainly one of my favorites:

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    although this one:

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    does a better job of putting character in his face.
    jim frost
    jimf@frostbytes.com
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited March 31, 2004
    cletus wrote:
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    I really like this picture!
    Thanks, its funny, it was a very spur of the moment shot that just popped in bw with a little help.

    Although, my tinting job looks much better in photoshop. I started a thread on this with minimal reply, but this is actually the picture that prompted it - when in photoshop, my tones look much better, when saved to jpg, it looks duller and darker. So on the same monitor, I can simulatneously look at 2 different pictures, PS and IE browser. Weird stuff.
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]


  • hutchmanhutchman Registered Users Posts: 255 Major grins
    edited March 31, 2004
    I have 2 all time favorites -

    The first is a picture I took of one of my good friend's mother 3 weeks before she passed away. I knew Dottie for the last 20 years and thought the world of her. She always had a smile and had no enemies in this life. This photo captured the essence of her personality. The family liked it so much they chose it for display during her funeral.

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    The second is a self portrait of the Hutchison Clan. It was my first effort at a "formal" portrait and the whole family liked it.

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    Hutch
  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited April 1, 2004
    Portrait attempt... my first. One of my residents.. critiques very welcome.. I'm just starting out on this...:D
  • jimfjimf Registered Users Posts: 338 Major grins
    edited April 1, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    Portrait attempt... my first. One of my residents.. critiques very welcome.. I'm just starting out on this...:D

    Fill the frame! Seriously, this would look better if there were less space around her. Tight shots tend to make better looking portraits.

    jim
    jim frost
    jimf@frostbytes.com
  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited April 1, 2004
    jimf wrote:
    Fill the frame! Seriously, this would look better if there were less space around her. Tight shots tend to make better looking portraits.

    jim
    Thanks Jim,,, I'm cropping away as we speak.. and you are right... it's better.
  • AltProAltPro Registered Users Posts: 478 Major grins
    edited April 1, 2004
    cletus wrote:
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    I really like this picture!
    Nicely done! Very nice! I love B&W, and the touch of color is a catcher.
    ginette
    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    [I'm practising like mad... not getting far. Please critique heavily, if its rubbish please say so and I'll start over. This is a very old lady who lives in my home, she was kind enough to sit for me to practice.
  • AltProAltPro Registered Users Posts: 478 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    [I'm practising like mad... not getting far. Please critique heavily, if its rubbish please say so and I'll start over. This is a very old lady who lives in my home, she was kind enough to sit for me to practice.

    Lynn:

    This old woman has such an interesting face I would pull in really close.
    Try to get some shadow onto the side of the face turned away from the camera, as it feels more natural that things further in the distance will fall into darkness or become softer. I wish I had some of my "tutoring examples" unpacked, but things tend to move slow around here right now...

    This image, "scrutiny" is really extreme, with regard to "shadow" and not as close even as I am suggesting for your subject. But, well, those are my thoughts.
    g
    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
  • AltProAltPro Registered Users Posts: 478 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    A little more on portraits...
    This one is close enough, but lacks the depth of shadow that I would use for your subject. As I look carefully at your image, it appears that your light source, (a window) is coming in from the left, casting a shadow to the right behind the head and darkening, somewhat, the face closest to the camera and viewer... Have you thought of turning your model around to face the right, rather than the left? Then, rather than cinder block as a back drop, use a solid colored sheet. With B&W the sheet can be any rich color if you want the background to appear dark to black, and white or cream if you want the background to appear light to white. If you were using studio lighting, background color wouldn't matter, you can make it appear as you wish, with your lighting.... But that is a whole different subject.

    g
    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
  • wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    [I'm practising like mad... not getting far. Please critique heavily, if its rubbish please say so and I'll start over. This is a very old lady who lives in my home, she was kind enough to sit for me to practice.

    Lynn, I think Zero-Zero's post about dramatic lighting applies to what you're trying to do. The lighting on your patient poser is very flat. Anyway to get some strong shadows?
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    I see it now, I'll work on it. Thanks so much, I appreciate the knowledge.
    Grats..
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  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    I see it now, I'll work on it. Thanks so much, I appreciate the knowledge.
    Grats..
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    a very quick fix before working on it...
  • Rolling StoneRolling Stone Registered Users Posts: 203 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    Here's the best I can do. Just never was comfortable with the people thing.

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  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,708 moderator
    edited April 5, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    Lynn, I think Zero-Zero's post about dramatic lighting applies to what you're trying to do. The lighting on your patient poser is very flat. Anyway to get some strong shadows?
    Waxy - WHere have you been? Wicked.gif Have you not heard of the suggestions to Lynn about soft North window light like the great masters used to help compliment the skin texture of their subjects? I think you talked about large verses small point sources of light with her also. A soft edged shadow might work.

    Z-Z ..... Stark shadow lighting can be dramatic,I love it..... but perhaps, stark lighting works better with your models with lovely skin texture - unless your desire is to demonstrate the damage done by the years and the sunlight. Lynn expressly asked for suggestions for lighting that would help show off her older models in the best light ( NO PUN HERE!) put their best appearance forward. I for one think the soft light she chose is a good one.

    Lynn, jump in and correct me if I am out of place here! You have used relativey soft light as suggested and now you are getting jumped on for it. Bah!!!
    I agree that the soft shadow on the face to the camera could be lightened by a little judicous reflector usage.. Simple enough to do. And th esuggestions to use a sheet for a background is ok, but why not just clone in whatever you wish.

    As for the background cement block, as I said above, it is not the best - BUT Jim Dandy to the Rescue - Reread my posts about the backgrounds when shooting my nude models (nude canine version that is). That cement background will be easy to select and replace ( This picture was shot in color originally right, Lynn? What color was the cement - if it contrasts with the model it will be real easy to select in PS and change or replace.)

    This is Lynns first real portrait effort and I think that it is a good one, that with just a few changes can be very good.

    Anyone whose toes I have not stepped on, speak up now!Laughing.gif I thought about sending this as a PM but decided it was better here. Just a little mayhem perhaps.

    Good on ya, Lynn. Show us some more of your efforts.
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
  • hutchmanhutchman Registered Users Posts: 255 Major grins
    edited April 5, 2004
    This may be a hijack, but..

    Do good/cutting edge photographers take pictures that please all the established norms or do they take pictures that please themselves and may not meet everyone elses expectations of what is right?

    Maybe this image needs a little more contrast, but I suspect that this very old woman is a very gentle soul who would not look like herself in a high contrast/shadowy image.

    Whaddayathink?

    Hutch
  • wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited April 6, 2004
    wave.gif Hiya Pathfinder. mwink.gif

    Good point that dramatic side lighting would accentuate the age of the subjects' faces. Perhaps Lynn can experiment with both shadows and flat lighting and see what she prefers? As the shots are now going to be in color, some of the contrasty B&W techniques may not be as valuable.

    I'm not sure that I'm with you on your suggestions about the background, however. Aren't a lot of portraits shot with a relatively long lens (100mm or so) to accomplish two things: smooth the facial features into something more flattering, and allow for a wide aperature that gives a very narrow depth of field? In other words, it puts the background out of focus? Seems to me that fixing the background in the shot is a lot cleaner and easier solution than playing in Photoshop on every image (even tho you did a sweet job on your doggie.) I know we try to get depth behind people when we shoot interviews.

    Still, as I have no experience posing people for portraits, only for video camera interviews, I'll try not to bombard Lynn with too much silliness.

    Lynn, I admire the way you're digging into your project and experimenting. thumb.gif
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
  • wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited April 6, 2004
    DirtDOG wrote:
    Here's the best I can do. Just never was comfortable with the people thing.

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    DD, that's a wonderful image. Very sweet expression and nice colors.
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
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