Randy, you have me afraid to take photos...
Went to my daughter's softball game today and brought my little PWAC set up. There is a local pro who works the events at this mega field - one with about a dozen fields including baseball, softball, and soccer. I won't name the pro, he posts here sometimes.
Anyway, after reading the rants here (and enjoying the dialog) I didn't take many shots of my own daughter, out of respect to the pro.
Now he shot the game for a few minutes:
I never saw him point at my child:
And I have to say, I probably have roughly the same equipment, so my shots wouldn't be much different. I'll look at his site when he gets this game up, if I can find it among the dozens of games he'll probably shoot this weekend.
Did I do the right thing?
Z
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Anyway, after reading the rants here (and enjoying the dialog) I didn't take many shots of my own daughter, out of respect to the pro.
Now he shot the game for a few minutes:
I never saw him point at my child:
And I have to say, I probably have roughly the same equipment, so my shots wouldn't be much different. I'll look at his site when he gets this game up, if I can find it among the dozens of games he'll probably shoot this weekend.
Did I do the right thing?
Z
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The "respect" for the pro comes in not taking pictures of all of the players on your childs team and then giving them away when you know there's a pro covering the team.
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shoot the heck out of your kid.
Dave
The definition of a PRO, is being lost ,, in all the conversation.
If you want to shoot, shoot.
I was shooting for print media, a youth hockey tournament in Feb. When we got to the rink, there were 2 guys there all set up to sell photos. I spent 3 days at that hockey tournament, watched the 2 guys selling photos work, PRO NO, 2 guys with DSLR's who can take a picture yes. they both work for the us govt. This was an easy way to make a few bucks, Pro NO, 2 enterprising guys yes. Parents are to eager to buy anything.
If you have a camera, and want to shoot your kids, you should not hesitate for any reason.
I did not post on the long rant thread because, well every time I wanted to, I thought it would just be overkill.
But here is my perspective:
You have a camera, you have a kid, you have a right, almost a duty to take photos.
Just don't try to put someone out of business for fun.
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As a person with a camera, how do I differentiate between an enterprising person with a camera and a true “Pro”. What's the difference?
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I’m sorry to say that I’m getting confused.
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On one hand, I’m being told that I should not shoot when pro is there (check the other thread for reasons), and on the other, I’m told to shoot away and it's my right to shoot away.
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I want to do the “right” thing… sometimes, it’s not so clear. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif" border="0" alt="" >
It seems that most pros find it acceptable for a PWAC take photos of their own kids as long as they don't share/give away; the issue lies in either taking photos of the team while the pro is there and giving/selling them or learning from the pro and shooting while he or she is there. I don’t have kids, but have many friends and teammates in various adult sport leagues. Where do I fit in this grand scheme of things? Am I allow to shoot them?
Am I expected to hunt down the league/tourney director of every game and every venue that I attend in order to do the right thing? The peons working/coaching tell me that it’s perfectly fine to shoot; they don’t understand (care) about the nuances of this photography issue.
I would truly appreciate any guidance. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/headscratch.gif" border="0" alt="" >
First - if they have a contract - they're a "pro". Doesn't matter if you think they're any good or not. Doesn't matter if it's their full time income source or not. You should honor the contract. If you think you're better, then bid on the contract. If there's no contract then you are free to shoot and sell your work assuming you get permission from whoever is putting the event on.
Second - you should always feel free to photograph your own children. Never hesitate.
Third - the issue is giving away photos for free. Regardless of whether a pro is on site. It de-values the industry.
Not trying to re-hash the other thread. There's no need to. Just clarifying what the other side of the argument is.
IMHO, it's not a question of whether 'we can or can't'.
It's how WE should conduct our business.
I only shoot in leagues where I have their approval, and their support. I don't care whether or not I need it to shoot.
Also, all of my youth galleries are password protected. Again, I don't care if I have to, or not. Parents like private galleries.
I wouldn't do business any other way.
Not directing this at any one in particular, but shooters who simply show up, shoot at will, post on the net publicly, and when they get questioned on it, cry "public domain, 1st amendment,etc", can make us all look bad in the long run.
Again, it's not a question of legality, its a case of courtesy, and professionalism.
Again, IMHO.
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That fairly much sums it up for me...
Z, I never wanted to police anybody. I was just venting about an issue, then tried to give information from my side of the fence on the issue.
You bet, shoot the heck out of your kid
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