Is this ok to get started ??

Stormy1Stormy1 Registered Users Posts: 33 Big grins
edited May 5, 2008 in Cameras
im a newby and am very very interested in outdoor wildlife photography, A friend of mine just gave me a new in box Canon Rebel XT that he has never used, Everything is brand new, It dosent have a lens with it though and im wonderingg which lens i should get for wildlife photos i want to take , i was looking at the Canon 70-200m f4 IS L lens would this be a descent starting spot for me to go with ?? any help would be greatly appreciated folks, thanks in advance as well
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  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited May 3, 2008
    Stormy1 wrote:
    im a newby and am very very interested in outdoor wildlife photography, A friend of mine just gave me a new in box Canon Rebel XT that he has never used, Everything is brand new, It dosent have a lens with it though and im wonderingg which lens i should get for wildlife photos i want to take , i was looking at the Canon 70-200m f4 IS L lens would this be a descent starting spot for me to go with ?? any help would be greatly appreciated folks, thanks in advance as well
    That is an excellent lens with the only decision being if it will be long enough for your wildlife. If you wanted longer but still hold some versatility then perhaps look at the Canon 100-400 L IS. It is a heavier lens but for wildlife i think you should seriously consider it.
  • PhotoskipperPhotoskipper Registered Users Posts: 453 Major grins
    edited May 4, 2008
    The XT is 1.6X crop factor, that means whatever focal lenght of the lens you get need to times 1.6 then become the focal lenght for XT.
    The 70-200 is great and excellent for outdoor photography. But since you don't have another other lens, you may consider to have a wider zoom lens 17-85 EF IS from Canon, or Sigma 18-200 DC with optical stablizer. Both lens can give you wider choice of focal lenght in the field. The first effective focal lenghth is 27 to 136, it covers the landscape to portrait, and the second one with effective 30 to 320, it may be very useful for all purpose including the outdoor and nature photography -birds.

    These are humble start, the price is around $500. The 70-300 F4.5-5.6 IS is also the same price, althought it is a bit slower, the IS and extra 100 mm may be good to consider.
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  • Stormy1Stormy1 Registered Users Posts: 33 Big grins
    edited May 4, 2008
    Thank you for the quick replies folks, Its greatly appreciated, Im new to this and really want to get started on the right foot so to speak, I know the Rebel XT is a bit of an older model, but as i stated its brand new in the box and i gave him $100 for it . I always loved photography especially Wildlife and landscapes
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  • PhotoskipperPhotoskipper Registered Users Posts: 453 Major grins
    edited May 4, 2008
    Photography is a very good hobby and you got the much easy way to start with $100 only. Though the model is a bit older, it is still a good camera. I am still using the first Rebel and it does give me good pictures. Be prepare to spend more and more in the later days - more lenses, flash, tripod, camera bag, then end up getting a more advance camera body.

    Having a target to take wildlive and nature is geat but I would like suggest to start with some basic and common subject to gain more experience before move into speciality. You may find it more fun with other subjects such as candid shootsmwink.gif . It is not so easy to take widlive photo everyday. Some people are lucky to live in the countryside and have natural visitor every day. Just spend more time to take picture in any possible occassions will help to develop the skill.

    Starting with a basic walkabout lens, such as the medium wide (35 mm) to a tele (100 or 200 mm) will give you more flexibility to cover different subjects. 70-200 is good range but you may miss some of the standard landscape or close up protrait.
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  • rpcrowerpcrowe Registered Users Posts: 733 Major grins
    edited May 4, 2008
    Generally 400mm is what you need...
    First, you have a very good camera in the Canon XT. It provides excellent imagery.

    Second, the 70-200mm f/4L IS lens is one of the best (if not the best) telephoto zoom in that focal range. It has instant dead-on focus, great build (after-all; it is an "L" lens) and produces awesome imagery and has a really slick IS system. It also matches very well with a mid-range zoom such as the Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens or the Tomron 17-50mm f/2.8. This duo of lenses will cover most photo opportunities.

    However, IMO 200mm is a mite short for much wildlife work. Even adding a 1.4x TC brings this lens up only to 280mm which I still consider a bit too short.

    There are three Canon lenses and lens combinations which are great for wildlife:

    100-400mm f/4-5.6L IS zoom
    300mm f/4L IS prime with 1.4x TC
    400mm f/5.6L prime

    Any of the above three are super for wildlife with the 100-400mm being, perhaps, the most versatile. Unfortunately, any of the above three choices are pretty expensive and even used copies may be priced somewhere around the $800-$1,100 dollars or so hee in the USA.

    If you want/need a very-good 400mm lens at an exceptional price, consider the Tokina 400mm f/5.6 ATX SP lens (not the older non-ATX version).

    The Tokina will give you very good imagery, especially if stopped down to f/8 or 11. It is lighter than any of the Canon lenses or lens combinations I mentioned above and focuses closer than the 400mm f/5.6L lens. The Tokina has a great sliding lens hood, just like the 400mm f/5.6L or 300mm f/4L IS lenses.

    Is the Tokina as good as the Canon 400mm f/5.6L lens? Not quite. It does produce very good imagery but the focus speed is noticeably slower than the f/5.6L. This kind of rules it out as a birds-in-flight lens. However, it is excellent for many other wildlife uses.

    The 400mm f/5.6 ATX lens was produced for only a short time between the 400mm f/5.6 SP (non-ATX) and 80-400mm ATX lenses. It is often overlooked since there were so few produces and since it is often mistaken for the previous non-ATX lens which did not produce decent imagery.

    However, if you are lucky enough to find one - it can usually be had at a very low price. I got mine for right about $100 and I paid $850 for a used mint 400mm f/5.6L. Do I like the f/5.6L better than the Tokina? Yes, primarily due to faster autofocus. Is the f/5.6L 8.5 times better than the Tokina? I seriously doubt it!

    http://www.pbase.com/rpcrowe/tokina_400mm_f56_atx

    I would not ne hesitant to recommend the 400mm f/5.6 SP ATX Tokina to anyone who needs/wants a very usable 400mm prime at a really inexpensive price. If you find one, you can always use it for a year or two and then resell it at no loss if you want the 400mm f/5.6L or either other of the above two Canon choices. It could be a nice interim lens or it could suit your purposes indefinitely.

    http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/browse?id=18246

    Also see "I Love Shorebirds" on the Moose Peterson web site

    http://www.moosepeterson.com/POM/1998.html

    To summarize the above:

    Your best image quality and focus accuracy and speed would be with one of the three lenses or lens combinations that I listed above with the 100-400mm f/4-5.6L winning the prize for versatility and the 400mm f/5.6L winning the prize for image quality and autofocus speed at the cost of no IS capability. The 300mm f/4L IS with and without the 1.4x TC comes right in the middle of these two lensess. (By the way, in favor of either the 300mm f/4L or the 400mm f/5.6L is that each has a retractable lens hood - which is something lacking in the 100-400mm L zoom). I doubt whether you would be disappointed in any of these three lenses but, you will pay the price for this quality.

    If you cannot afford an "L" lens or cannot justify the cost of one of these lenses and if you want a lens which will provide decent quality and be either an interim long lens or even "the" long lens of choice - look at a used Tokina 400mm f/5.6L ATX.
  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited May 4, 2008
    Visit the Wildlife forum on this site to get an idea of the kind of shots you'd like to get. Then see what the member shot with. Aside from zoo and pet shots, I think you'll find most of the best shots are taken with 300mm or longer.
  • gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited May 4, 2008
    Heres a nice lens for sale on d/grin that would do the job nicely.
  • Stormy1Stormy1 Registered Users Posts: 33 Big grins
    edited May 5, 2008
    Once again folks, Thankyou very very much for your info, It is appreciated more than you can imagine, i been reading this site for the past few days, and there is tons of info on it, I have also found answers to other questions i have without posting a new question, which is very nice, so i dont have to bother you folks for issues that have been asked a million times before, I really do appreciate all of the info you folks have given me, If you dont see me post alot of questions here, it usually means i have been searching for the answer on the site already myself, as not to bother anyone with the same already posted questions a million times before,


    Thanks again
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