The secret SmugMug URL's !!

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

Hi,

I'm new to the SmugMug family (okay, I'll call it SM from here ;-) but I'm a retired Internet guru. So, I want to get the most out of SM and it's integration to my blog.

I am not going to post the ultimate list here, like I said, I'm a newbie, but I sure hope others will reply with the URL's they found!

I'll list active URL's from my site so I can copy&paste without making errors. I found that this forum shortens the URL's displayed so hover your mouse over them to see them in the browser status bar, or select them to get the full URL in the address bar.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/
that's my vanilla standard el cheapo SM account

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/
I think many found this but it's nowhere on the home page nor in the manual. It shows all keywords, not just the top-whatever.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna
shows all photo's that have the keyword "kuna" in a "keyword virtual gallery". Stuff is missing but I understand SM is working on that.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna/achutupu
like previous but now they most have both "kuna" and "achutupu" keywords. You can add many more this way to filter down to what you need.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/Travel/Archive/2006-Curacao/2006-12-08-19-33-10/712944722_4zcBH-M.jpg
This is a standard link to a single photo. This is in the manual, you can change the last character "M", which stands for Medium, to something else, like an "S" for small or even "300x300" for that size without loosing the aspect ratio. But the manual is not very clear about this, like how to create an image that's exactly 300 pix wide, regardless of it's height. By experimenting I found that you just specify a way too high number for height, something like this:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/Travel/Archive/2006-Curacao/2006-12-08-19-33-10/712944722_4zcBH-300x9999.jpg
and now the image is exactly 300 pix wide.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/IMG1481/710837352_kxte9-M-1.jpg
That one is a mystery (note the "-1" after the "M"). I think this is because I have that image uploaded twice! When I delete the "-1" it works too but I didn't experiment any further here (change one of the photo's without changing the name and see if you get the two different ones or the same one).

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/1/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9
sends you to the gallery with the same photo selected as the previous link. Here's that "1" again! The strange thing is that when I change that into let's say a "6", it still works:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/6/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9
I can even change it with a long word like "mugmeyousmugmug" and it still works:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/mugmeyousmugmug/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9
But I can't get rid of it...
Also, there's no way to select the size of the selected photo, nor did I find a way to specify the style. But if I just want to open the gallery with the first photo, I can use this easy URL:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/
That's part of the nice-URL feature I think.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/1/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9-A-LB
This is the same link but with a suffix of "-A-LB" added to it. This opens the light-box. I have been trying very hard to specify additional options here, like size of the image, details on/off etc. but none seem to have effect and some constructions break the URL. I find the "-A-LB" curious because I would have expected something like "-ALB" or just "-LB".

About the "share" window with tabs. It's obviously broken. When you look at photo-links, you get the selected photo thumbnail and can even change the photo there. But that part is missing in the gallery links even though the generated URL's specify the selected image. There's no choice to get the short URL for the first photo, they all incl. the selected photo. It would only be logical to have the same photo-select mechanism in the gallery-links tab.
The funny thing is that this selector does show up in the embeddable links tab again. All choices there incl. the selected photo, no option for just the gallery with first photo as a short URL. This tab needs more and I'll spend another post on that in the correct forum.
I didn't play much with the feed-links tab but that one looks all-right to me.

So, who found more URL's or who has more idea's/wishes for options in URL's?

Edit: my blog is at http://www.sv-jedi.org/ and most photo's come from SM now. I needed that fixed width for the thumbnails in the left column. Look a bit down at the one for "2007#1 Curacao": the white space above and below it is the same as for all the others and it's perfectly aligned and 150 pix wide.

ciao!
Nick.

DavidTO · November 16, 2009

I think the A in A-LB means auto, and you could change it to S for small, M for medium, etc.

Andy · November 16, 2009

/keyword is on your homepage, just click the words "Top XX Keywords"

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

Andy wrote:

/keyword is on your homepage, just click the words "Top XX Keywords"

Ah! But it's hyperlink capability is invisible, it looks just like the "Top 50" part in front and all other non-clickable section-headers, which I tried to click ;-)
I would suggest to make it look like a button so everybody can find it.

thanks,
Nick.

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

DavidTO wrote:

I think the A in A-LB means auto, and you could change it to S for small, M for medium, etc.

Great find! I just dunno why I didn't find that immediately... brain power must be diminishing ;-(

So, all we would want as extra here, is a toggle for the details.

thanks!
Nick.

Malte · November 16, 2009

Bookmarked!

This one was a gem for me: http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna/achutupu I didn't know you could do that.

On my wanted list is the forced viewing style gallery URL that I've heard of. Maybe there's even one for theme?

Sorry I don't have any to add!

Malte

jfriend · November 16, 2009

DeVerm wrote:

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/IMG1481/710837352_kxte9-M-1.jpg
That one is a mystery (note the "-1" after the "M"). I think this is because I have that image uploaded twice! When I delete the "-1" it works too but I didn't experiment any further here (change one of the photo's without changing the name and see if you get the two different ones or the same one).

The -1 means that there have been more than one version of this photo in it's lifetime. You can remove the -1 and you will still get an image, but because of browser/internet caching, you might not get the latest version of the image. The -1 makes sure you get the -1 version of the image which, in this case, will be the latest version. If you replaced the photo again, the new one would be -2.

DeVerm wrote:

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/1/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9
sends you to the gallery with the same photo selected as the previous link. Here's that "1" again! The strange thing is that when I change that into let's say a "6", it still works:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/6/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9
I can even change it with a long word like "mugmeyousmugmug" and it still works:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/10286436_eqDU5/mugmeyousmugmug/710837352_kxte9#710837352_kxte9

As long as the gallery number is at the end, it mostly doesn't matter what comes between the domain and the gallery number. The hash value after the # sign is a reference to a specific photo in that gallery. Depending upon the view you are displaying and what page in that view you were on, you might or might not get the /1/ in the path. If there's a hash value to take you to a specific image, I think the page value is ignored.

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

jfriend wrote:

The -1 means that there have been more than one version of this photo in it's lifetime. You can remove the -1 and you will still get an image, but because of browser/internet caching, you might not get the latest version of the image. The -1 makes sure you get the -1 version of the image which, in this case, will be the latest version. If you replaced the photo again, the new one would be -2.

Hi John,

That's what I thought too but then I tried this one:
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/People/Life-aboard-Jedi/IMG1481/710837352_kxte9-M-6.jpg
and I get the same pic again and there sure are no 6 versions of it! I sure hope we get rid of this with the virtual galleries / links-to-files.

cheers,
Nick.

Andy · November 16, 2009

Malte wrote:

On my wanted list is the forced viewing style gallery URL that I've heard of.

No, and there isn't-- it's a security risk so we don't allow it.

Malte · November 16, 2009

Andy wrote:

No, and there isn't-- it's a security risk so we don't allow it.

What if the gallery style is set to viewer controlled, is it still dangerous?

Malte

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

Malte wrote:

What if the gallery style is set to viewer controlled, is it still dangerous?

Malte

I agree, the only danger is programming error. A simple suffix much like the light box one could control that and it can be ignored when the style is different than "viewer controlled".

cheers,
Nick.

Andy · November 16, 2009

Malte wrote:

What if the gallery style is set to viewer controlled, is it still dangerous?

Malte

yup, it can't be done now on SmugMug. Sorry...

jfriend · November 16, 2009

Andy wrote:

yup, it can't be done now on SmugMug. Sorry...

This doesn't make sense. If a gallery is viewer controlled, there is no security risk in allowing an URL to specify the initial gallery style. Obviously, the Smugmug code would have to check to see if the gallery was viewer controlled or not and only allow it if viewer controlled, but it's kind of hard to see how there's a security risk when you're just asking to automatically do something that the viewer can do for themselves.

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

I'm sure Andy understands that but it just isn't there. After some time in this thread I'll make a wish list with all the idea's gathered here and probably another one for updates to the wiki with info about features that aren't described or explained yet. That would also make them official so that the risk of them stopping working is minimal.

I think these actions with properly documented requests will work better than arguing over them here... one of their sorcerers must look at it and comment for technical and security comments (I was at the other end once ;-)

cheers,
Nick.

Andy · November 16, 2009

jfriend wrote:

This doesn't make sense.

Hi John, I'm sorry that it's not making sense to you. We removed the ability to do template changing via url a while ago.

I'm very sorry.

jfriend · November 16, 2009

Andy wrote:

Hi John, I'm sorry that it's not making sense to you. We removed the ability to do template changing via url a while ago.

I'm very sorry.

I know you removed it and don't currently support it. I was agreeing with the other posters who don't see why there could be a security reason for not supporting it on galleries set to viewer controllable. So, I guess it's a feature request to add a feature for specifying the style in a URL for viewer controllable galleries.

Andy · November 16, 2009

jfriend wrote:

I know you removed it and don't currently support it. I was agreeing with the other posters who don't see why there could be a security reason for not supporting it on galleries set to viewer controllable. So, I guess it's a feature request to add a feature for specifying the style in a URL for viewer controllable galleries.

Hello John, we took it out to make your SmugMug more secure. I'm sorry, but that's why. I wish I had a better answer for you, I'm sorry.

PBolchover · November 16, 2009

DeVerm wrote:

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna
shows all photo's that have the keyword "kuna" in a "keyword virtual gallery". Stuff is missing but I understand SM is working on that.

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna/achutupu
like previous but now they most have both "kuna" and "achutupu" keywords. You can add many more this way to filter down to what you need.

The users can find the first link by clicking on the keyword beneath a photo, and can find the second link by clicking on a "combine with" keyword.

The old format for the "combine with" keywords used to be
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna-achutupu
This should still work (in order to avoid breaking old URLs).

DeVerm · November 16, 2009

PBolchover wrote:

The users can find the first link by clicking on the keyword beneath a photo, and can find the second link by clicking on a "combine with" keyword.

The old format for the "combine with" keywords used to be
http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/keyword/kuna-achutupu
This should still work (in order to avoid breaking old URLs).

It does, it re-directs to the new style with forward slashes. I found this by clicking on the keywords like you explain. But I also found questions from members who did not know this and they were not answered, or wrongly answered or incompletely answered. This stuff needs to be added to the wiki and only newbies like me, who don't know these details yet, can find that this info is missing. Problem is that most newbies aren't a geek who can find out, so they never know. I'm just trying to solve that because SM is already saving me a lot of time getting my photo library under control ;-)

I also understand the security issues that Andy is referring to. It is about internal system stability, not about unauthorized display-style of photo's on the user-side. But the taken course of action by eliminating the control from the URL, is what guys like me call safety by obscurity and only effective as a temporary measure. In the end, robust code in the URL parser that allows what the users need but nothing more, is the solution. That takes effort and time.

cheers,
Nick.

DeVerm · November 17, 2009

And with the help from other dgrinners, here's another one:

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/photos/random.mg?AlbumID=10357211&AlbumKey=XuvMe&Size=M

It gets a random image from the specified album.

cheers,
Nick.

DeVerm · November 17, 2009

jfriend wrote:

This doesn't make sense. If a gallery is viewer controlled, there is no security risk in allowing an URL to specify the initial gallery style. Obviously, the Smugmug code would have to check to see if the gallery was viewer controlled or not and only allow it if viewer controlled, but it's kind of hard to see how there's a security risk when you're just asking to automatically do something that the viewer can do for themselves.

I just found that this feature request is already logged and voted on, so I added 3 votes. This is the direct link: http://smugmug.uservoice.com/pages/17723-smugmug/suggestions/319639-create-a-way-to-select-gallery-style-in-the-url-?ref=title

cheers,
Nick.

Malte · November 17, 2009

DeVerm wrote:

And with the help from other dgrinners, here's another one:

http://sv-jedi.smugmug.com/photos/random.mg?AlbumID=10357211&AlbumKey=XuvMe&Size=M

It gets a random image from the specified album.

cheers,
Nick.

Cool, how does it do that? What part of the string do I put in my URL?

Edit: Got it now, didn't see the truncated link.

Malte

The secret SmugMug URL's !!

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