Maria in waterfall

Jeremy_22 · March 10, 2011

Natural light, slightly overcast - 70mm, f4.5, 1/125th, ISO 125

Effect work done 100% in Lightroom 3. Final retouching done in CS5.

SOOC image

cj99si · March 10, 2011

Looks a little hot to me.

Icebear · March 10, 2011

Not to me. The image that is. I agree 100% about the model, if that's what you meant. Very nice pp work.

Jeremy_22 · March 10, 2011

Correct, John. All detail is in the image. Also, a common mistake by photographers is underexposing images and not realizing the print will actually be slightly darker - making it worse.

cj99si · March 10, 2011

I subscribe to your print to monitor philosophy as well..... This image is hot, and awkward to look at.

Jeremy_22 · March 10, 2011

Again, where is the detail lost? Also, check the commercial ads. These sell and print daily.

Icebear · March 10, 2011

I guess "awkward" is subjective, so I can't argue with that, but on my monitor everything's there in the whites. I keep my monitor a bit dim, so it matches my prints. Maybe that's why it looks fine to me.

kdog · March 11, 2011

dsmPhotoCompany wrote: »

Again, where is the detail lost? Also, check the commercial ads. These sell and print daily.

CJ is correct. Did you not look at the blinkies or histogram on this? Bring it into ACR, and you'll see her face and dress are quite blown out. That's true on both the SOOC and processed versions.

Beautiful shot otherwise. Got any shots from a lower vantage point that show more of the waterfall?

Jeremy_22 · March 11, 2011

Blinkies are not 100% accurate...just a general ballpark. No ACR...Lightroom. And the histogram on my camera and Lightroom did not and still do not show clipping of the whites.

kdog · March 11, 2011

This is what I'm seeing with ACR on the SOOC version. That's a lot of blown pixels. The processed version looks the same.

Jeremy_22 · March 11, 2011

ACR must be lying to you then. Lightroom shows nothing blown and I didn't see issues when I was in at 400-600% retouching in CS5.

kdog · March 11, 2011

dsmPhotoCompany wrote: »

ACR must be lying to you then. Lightroom shows nothing blown and I didn't see issues when I was in at 400-600% retouching in CS5.

Well your red channel is at 254 in all those areas that are shown as blown out which confirms it, but I'll defer to your expertise.

jdryan3 · March 11, 2011

kdog wrote: »

Well your red channel is at 254 in all those areas that are shown as blown out which confirms it, but I'll defer to your expertise.

lol3

Jeremy_22 · March 11, 2011

And here is the Lightroom screenshot. Oh wow, I guess I lied - very minute amounts of the fabric are clipped...which can barely be seen. Nothing else is though...even included a close crop of the face (next post). Perhaps some foolerly is going on in your ACR work...

Jeremy_22 · March 11, 2011

Other sample...

kdog · March 11, 2011

You might ask yourself what that big spike is jammed against the right-hand side of your histogram. Note also the highlight clipping alert is illuminated as well, just over that spike. I don't use LR, so I can't tell you why you don't have any clipping feedback on the preview image, perhaps you don't have them enabled. I would test them if I were you. But everything else in your display is screaming clipping.

kdog · March 11, 2011

To enable your highlight alert view, click on the highlight alert triangle on the upper-right of your histogram.

Jeremy_22 · March 12, 2011

kdog wrote: »

To enable your highlight alert view, click on the highlight alert triangle on the upper-right of your histogram.

Which is exactly what I did. I almost always have that on. Again, no detail is lost. The histogram clearly shows the highlights are strong but not clipped.

kdog · March 12, 2011

What color space are you working in? Also, I see you're working on a TIF. You should try the same experiment as me. Go ahead and save the image from this thread directly. Then bring in that saved image to LR. I bet you'll find it's clipped. You may be incurring the clipping somewhere in the output of your workflow caused by the conversion to sRGB (assuming you're working in aRGB), or from Photobucket.

angevin1 · March 12, 2011

kdog wrote: »

You might ask yourself what that big spike is jammed against the right-hand side of your histogram. Note also the highlight clipping alert is illuminated as well, just over that spike. I don't use LR, so I can't tell you why you don't have any clipping feedback on the preview image, perhaps you don't have them enabled. I would test them if I were you. But everything else in your display is screaming clipping.

Joel,

I'm seeing both. In LR3 I see what his screen shows, with clipping on the wrap, but not on the face, Hist looks the same right side spike. In ACR I show what is shown with ( red dots) clipping all over her face....What gives?

Icebear · March 12, 2011

This is all fine as an academic arguement, but on my monitor, I see all the detail in the wrap, so I could give a rat's patoot what some clipping blinkie says.

angevin1 · March 12, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

This is all fine as an academic arguement, but on my monitor, I see all the detail in the wrap, so I could give a rat's patoot what some clipping blinkie says.

Yeah, okay, but what I am wonderin is, if it is different between two programs, is that an inherent work-flow flaw? I only check and typically do my stuff in LR3...but am I missing something?

Icebear · March 12, 2011

I think it's a "cautionary warning" and not some sort of absolute measurement. At least that's how I use it. I, like you, use LR3 for 90% of my editing.

VayCayMom · March 12, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

Not to me. The image that is. I agree 100% about the model, if that's what you meant. Very nice pp work.

just what I was thinking

angevin1 · March 12, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

I think it's a "cautionary warning" and not some sort of absolute measurement. At least that's how I use it. I, like you, use LR3 for 90% of my editing.

Okay, you mean in ACR?..If so, message received, thanks John!

Jeremy_22 · March 12, 2011

I've never used ACR and don't know much about it. What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that what I see in LR3 is what shows up on our prints that we get from a professional lab.

So for me, I don't care what ACR shows on a low-res image that I posted online that is not designed for print.

Jeremy_22 · March 12, 2011

Just for more fun, 2 more from the same set (these are from '09). For these I had moved to the other side and was standing on top of the waterfall. Not the smartest place to be - but I survived.

Jeremy_22 · March 12, 2011

From 2010...wish I had hips twisted...

angevin1 · March 13, 2011

These are quite the "fun"set!

Shima · March 13, 2011

Very awesome work, love it!

jdryan3 · March 14, 2011

All blinking aside, I do like those two closeups. The first does seem to have what looks like a piece of green plastic grass on the very top of her head.

Maria in waterfall

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