Keywords page

W.W. Webster · January 15, 2015

How can I change the title of this page from "keyword" to "Keywords"? Any help appreciated!

Allen · January 15, 2015

If you're referring to the /keyword link it is a Smugmug system page and can't be changed. You can create
your own page and name it /Keywords or "/My-Keywords". Then add a "keyword cloud" content widget on it.
I've done just this. I added an HTML box at the top before the cloud widget was invented but at the bottom
added the "keyword cloud" widget.

My page
http://www.photosbyat.com/My-Keywords/n-J6gc5

herojosie · January 15, 2015

Hi,

The keywords page you are referencing is a systems page. Systems pages start with a lower case letter and you are not able to update the name of them. As a workaround, you could create a custom page, add a keyword cloud to it and then name it Keywords. You would then have to link directly to that newly created, custom page instead of pointing your navigation bar link to the keyword system page.

If you have any other questions about this, please let us know.

W.W. Webster · January 15, 2015

Allen wrote: »

If you're referring to the /keyword link it is a Smugmug system page and can't be changed.

herojosie wrote: »

As a workaround, you could create a custom page, add a keyword cloud to it and then name it Keywords. You would then have to link directly to that newly created, custom page instead of pointing your navigation bar link to the keyword system page.

Thanks guys. I have no problem with the suggested wordaround in principle, but will the cloud-thingy always contain ALL my keywords?

pilotdave · January 15, 2015

W.W. Webster wrote: »

Thanks guys. I have no problem with the suggested wordaround in principle, but will the cloud-thingy always contain ALL my keywords?

They only allow 255 keywords in a keyword cloud content block. That's a dealbreaker for a separate Keywords page for me. But the other reason I don't use one (I did for a little while when the /keywords page was also limited to 255 keywords) is that visitors will eventually find their way to the default /keyword page. It's inevitable. All it takes is to click on a keyword anywhere on the site. I didn't like having two very similar but not identical pages. It's just confusing.

Dave

Allen · January 16, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

They only allow 255 keywords in a keyword cloud content block. That's a dealbreaker for a separate Keywords page for me. But the other reason I don't use one (I did for a little while when the /keywords page was also limited to 255 keywords) is that visitors will eventually find their way to the default /keyword page. It's inevitable. All it takes is to click on a keyword anywhere on the site. I didn't like having two very similar but not identical pages. It's just confusing.

Dave

Did you see the keyword cloud content box on the page I linked? There are over 700 public KW's.
And logged in I have over a 1000 KW's that show. The extra coming from passworded galleries.
I have a passworded smart gallery for each of those extra KW's. I created a page with an ancestry
tree so my family can click on any name and go to their smart gallery and see every photo of that person
from my 100's of family galleries.

pilotdave · January 16, 2015

If you all want to do is change the word "keyword" to "Keywords" in the breadcrumb, I created a little CSS to do that. But this will only work if you use the same breadcrumb settings on that page as I do, so I can't guarantee this will work for you (it looks like it will):

.sm-breadcrumb li:nth-child(3) h1 {
visibility: hidden;
position:relative;
}

.sm-breadcrumb li:nth-child(3) h1:after {
display:inline-block;
position: absolute;
top: 0;
left: 0;
content: "Keywords";
visibility:visible;
}

Dave

W.W. Webster · January 16, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

They only allow 255 keywords in a keyword cloud content block. That's a dealbreaker for a separate Keywords page for me.

Thanks Dave. I vaguely recalled there was a reason that made use of the cloud useless for anyone for whom the use of keywords is more than as mere ornaments.

W.W. Webster · January 16, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

If you all want to do is change the word "keyword" to "Keywords" in the breadcrumb, I created a little CSS to do that.

Thanks Dave, I think my breadcrumb settings might be the same as yours, so i look forward to giving your hack a try!

denisegoldberg · January 16, 2015

W.W. Webster wrote: »

Thanks Dave. I vaguely recalled there was a reason that made use of the cloud useless for anyone for whom the use of keywords is more than as mere ornaments.

Agreed. That's why I use /keyword on my site, not the keyword content element.

--- Denise

Allen · January 16, 2015

I just tested the keyword cloud again and if you leave the "Max Number" for "list" blank you get all your keywords. There is no limit.

pilotdave · January 16, 2015

Allen wrote: »

I just tested the keyword cloud again and if you leave the "Max Number" for "list" blank you get all your keywords. There is no limit.

Good catch! I noticed when I put a high number they showed up behind the dialog box. But then it wouldn't let me save. I didn't try leaving it blank.

Dave

denisegoldberg · January 16, 2015

Allen wrote: »

I just tested the keyword cloud again and if you leave the "Max Number" for "list" blank you get all your keywords. There is no limit.

Thanks Allen - I didn't realize you could leave that blank, excellent. That means that the keyword cloud is usable.

--- Denise

W.W. Webster · January 17, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

If you all want to do is change the word "keyword" to "Keywords" in the breadcrumb, I created a little CSS to do that.

Thanks Dave, that is working perfectly.

I sure am enjoying knocking off these little irksome idiosyncrasies one by one!

W.W. Webster · January 17, 2015

W.W. Webster wrote: »

Thanks Dave, that is working perfectly.

Oops - we have a problem.

On further checking I found that the title showing in the breadcrumb for every page at the root (e.g. also including my About page) had also been changed to "Keywords".

denisegoldberg · January 17, 2015

Allen wrote: »

I just tested the keyword cloud again and if you leave the "Max Number" for "list" blank you get all your keywords. There is no limit.

W.W. Webster wrote: »

Oops - we have a problem.

On further checking I found that the title showing in the breadcrumb for every page at the root (e.g. also including my About page) had also been changed to "Keywords".

Based on Allen's discovery (noted a few posts back) that using the keyword cloud shows all keywords if you set the max number to blank, you might try creating a page called Keywords and dragging a keyword content block onto it. This would have the added benefit of the URL matching the page name shown in the breadcrumb.

--- Denise

W.W. Webster · January 17, 2015

denisegoldberg wrote: »

Based on Allen's discovery (noted a few posts back) that using the keyword cloud shows all keywords if you set the max number to blank, you might try creating a page called Keywords and dragging a keyword content block onto it. This would have the added benefit of the URL matching the page name shown in the breadcrumb.

Thanks Denise, it might come to that, but I have the page exactly as I want it if I could just change the title. If I get a moment I'll have a play with the cloud.

W.W. Webster · January 17, 2015

My curiosity got the better of me - I dropped a keyword cloud (list style) onto an existing page as an experiment and it just could work for me.

But why are some of the keywords bolded? Is there a way to get rid of that, or would I be stymied again?

pilotdave · January 18, 2015

W.W. Webster wrote: »

My curiosity got the better of me - I dropped a keyword cloud (list style) onto an existing page as an experiment and it just could work for me.

But why are some of the keywords bolded? Is there a way to get rid of that, or would I be stymied again?

Most likely you are seeing your top 9 most used keywords in bold. You can get rid of it with CSS:

.sm-user-ui .sm-page-widget-keywords .sm-keyword-one {
[insert text formatting CSS here]
}
.sm-user-ui .sm-page-widget-keywords .sm-keyword-two{
[insert text formatting CSS here]
}
...
.sm-user-ui .sm-page-widget-keywords .sm-keyword-ten{
[insert text formatting CSS here]
}

keyword-one applies to all your keywords except the top 9. Two is the 9th most used, all the way to keyword-ten which is the top used keyword. You can just make them all the same so all the keywords are the same size, weight, etc.

Not sure if you can do it all at once with just .sm-user-ui .sm-page-widget-keywords. Never tried.

Dave

W.W. Webster · January 18, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

Most likely you are seeing your top 9 most used keywords in bold.

Thanks again Dave - I seem to recall using some similar CSS code in 'old' SmugMug.

denisegoldberg · January 18, 2015

W.W. Webster wrote: »

But why are some of the keywords bolded? Is there a way to get rid of that, or would I be stymied again?

W.W. Webster wrote: »

I seem to recall using some similar CSS code in 'old' SmugMug.

That's very interesting. I remember using similar CSS in legacy too but I just checked and I don't have the equivalent in new smug. I am using the /keyword page but I just added a keyword cloud (in list format) to a page and I don't see any bolding of keywords in either place. I wonder what the trigger is to create that bolding.

Just curious...

I agree with you that having some keywords bold is not a good thing.

--- Denise

Allen · January 18, 2015

I miss the hovering a keyword and the quantity would show in the bubble.

pilotdave · January 18, 2015

denisegoldberg wrote: »

That's very interesting. I remember using similar CSS in legacy too but I just checked and I don't have the equivalent in new smug. I am using the /keyword page but I just added a keyword cloud (in list format) to a page and I don't see any bolding of keywords in either place. I wonder what the trigger is to create that bolding.

Just curious...

I agree with you that having some keywords bold is not a good thing.

--- Denise

It's theme dependent. Some themes apply formatting to the top 9 keywords, others don't. It looks so bad I tend to think it was a mistake. Legacy divided the keywords into percentiles and formatted keywords accordingly. Bottom 10% were tiny, top 10% were huge, and the rest in between. That's how a tag cloud is supposed to work. On new smug, only 9 individual keywords look different from the rest. It makes no sense and looks awful. I brought it up in feature requests a long time ago.

Dave

denisegoldberg · January 18, 2015

pilotdave wrote: »

It's theme dependent. Some themes apply formatting to the top 9 keywords, others don't. It looks so bad I tend to think it was a mistake. Legacy divided the keywords into percentiles and formatted keywords accordingly. Bottom 10% were tiny, top 10% were huge, and the rest in between. That's how a tag cloud is supposed to work. On new smug, only 9 individual keywords look different from the rest. It makes no sense and looks awful. I brought it up in feature requests a long time ago.

Dave

Ah, so it was just dumb luck that I didn't see this on my site!

I hated this in legacy, used CSS to remove the bolding, and was delighted that it didn't appear on my site in new smug.

--- Denise

pilotdave · January 18, 2015

denisegoldberg wrote: »

Ah, so it was just dumb luck that I didn't see this on my site!

I hated this in legacy, used CSS to remove the bolding, and was delighted that it didn't appear on my site in new smug.

--- Denise

Well it'd always be optional with CSS. But as it is now, it's especially useless.

Dave

W.W. Webster · January 18, 2015

Allen wrote: »

I miss the hovering a keyword and the quantity would show in the bubble.

I don't understand why that was dropped, nor a lot of other things for that matter. We have to request them as 'new features' but I'm not aware of any that have been restored.

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