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Uploading troubles

firecat53firecat53 Registered Users Posts: 13 Big grins
edited December 31, 2006 in SmugMug Support
I seem to be having uploading troubles over the past couple of days. Using the universal uploader (XP, Firefox 2.0), I regularly get Java.net Socket Exception errors and interrupted uploads. I also tried the smugmug.py linux command line uploader from my linux box (Ubuntu server 6.06) and it still didn't get all the pictures, but I'm not sure exactly at what point or why it stopped.

Here is the url for the line quality test from dslreports.com: http://www.dslreports.com/linequality/nil/2139010

I haven't had this much trouble in the past, and I've uploaded a lot of pictures over the last couple of years!!

I was uploading about 75-80 pictures.

There was one picture that I had to skip because the universal uploader would not recognize it as a jpeg file. It was exactly the same as the other pictures, same camera, same batch, same filename (DSCN7xxx.jpg), but it refused to accept it no matter how I changed the filename or re-saved the picture.

Another strange issue...when I was in picture arrange mode and sorted the pictures by filename, it sorted correctly through about 75% of them, and then started putting the pictures in random numerical order. Again, all the pictures had the DSCN7xxx.jpg filename. Sorting them by date taken worked correctly, however.

Any thoughts on these issues?

Thanks, Scott

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    Steve CaviglianoSteve Cavigliano Super Moderators Posts: 3,599 moderator
    edited December 1, 2006
    Hi Scott,
    Your line quality report looks OK. But the traceroute results show some significant packet losses (up to 45%). So there seems to be some problems between your modem/router and us. If I saw the same results as your test shows, I'd be on the phone to my ISP. I have run this test quite a few times, on my systems, and have never seen packet loss percentages in double digits. Let alone 45% loss. IMO, losing 27 packets out of 60 is not acceptable.

    There may also be issues on the other side of your modem/router. Issues possibly due to using a wireless router, or even line noise on un-filtered DSL lines.

    Since you have just started seeing this over the past few days, have you changed anything in your set-up (security settings, perhaps)? Have you seen problems going to any other sites that may signal ISP issues? Have you changed ISPs?

    If you continue to experience problems, contact us at the help desk: http://www.smugmug.com/help/emailreal

    Steve
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    olegosolegos Registered Users Posts: 94 Big grins
    edited December 2, 2006
    Same problem here today (upload timeouts). Trying to upload just 4 photos, about 1.5 MB each, and I've tried it about 5 times already. I've uploaded large batches in the past with no problems, and I don't see a problem with any other web sites. I had ping to SM running during the last upload attempt, and it (ping) kept going steady, but the upload timed out, with only one photo successfully uploaded. On Comcast from IL, Firefox 1.5.
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    Steve CaviglianoSteve Cavigliano Super Moderators Posts: 3,599 moderator
    edited December 2, 2006
    olegos wrote:
    Same problem here today (upload timeouts). Trying to upload just 4 photos, about 1.5 MB each, and I've tried it about 5 times already. I've uploaded large batches in the past with no problems, and I don't see a problem with any other web sites. I had ping to SM running during the last upload attempt, and it (ping) kept going steady, but the upload timed out, with only one photo successfully uploaded. On Comcast from IL, Firefox 1.5.

    Hello,
    If you would like to run the same test that Scott ran, please go here. You will have to register. But it is free. They will provide you with a link (like the one Scott posted) with your results. Please include that link in your reply here, or to the help desk.

    Steve
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 23, 2006
    Uploading woes, woe and thrice woe is me!
    Tried the mac uploaders 1+2, tried the Universal D+D, now I have completely lost motivation trying toupload to SM.

    = fed up.gerg.gif

    One or two files here and there are no problem but whenever there is a whole bathch or gallery that needs doing I have to babysit the thing because , (now I have defaulted to the universal java D+D as being the lesser of two weevils) it will fail at some point for sure, and sure enough i have had three fails so far on this current batch , make about 10 each time then surprise loast packet or something.

    did the test, here
    I guess I just put up with it, there are losts of posts about uploading woes, so I guess I'm :deadhorse
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited December 24, 2006
    Simon King wrote:
    Tried the mac uploaders 1+2, tried the Universal D+D, now I have completely lost motivation trying toupload to SM.

    = fed up.gerg.gif

    One or two files here and there are no problem but whenever there is a whole bathch or gallery that needs doing I have to babysit the thing because , (now I have defaulted to the universal java D+D as being the lesser of two weevils) it will fail at some point for sure, and sure enough i have had three fails so far on this current batch , make about 10 each time then surprise loast packet or something.

    did the test, here
    I guess I just put up with it, there are losts of posts about uploading woes, so I guess I'm :deadhorse
    You have some huge losses somwhere between your computer and our system, which is not good. Can you run the test again, and see if this was a temporary problem? Thanks.
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 24, 2006
    ivar wrote:
    You have some huge losses somwhere between your computer and our system, which is not good. Can you run the test again, and see if this was a temporary problem? Thanks.


    Todays report (means nothing to me)
    http://www.dslreports.com/linequality/nil/2153063
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    DKwanDKwan Registered Users Posts: 47 Big grins
    edited December 25, 2006
    Simon King wrote:
    One or two files here and there are no problem but whenever there is a whole bathch or gallery that needs doing I have to babysit the thing because , (now I have defaulted to the universal java D+D as being the lesser of two weevils) it will fail at some point for sure, and sure enough i have had three fails so far on this current batch , make about 10 each time then surprise loast packet or something.

    I'm in the same situation. I promised people I'd have three new galleries up today and two more tomorrow (about 100-200 MB each gallery) but I haven't even been able to get a single gallery uploaded! And I can't just sit here to restart the upload whenever it fails.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 25, 2006
    DKwan wrote:
    I'm in the same situation. I promised people I'd have three new galleries up today and two more tomorrow (about 100-200 MB each gallery) but I haven't even been able to get a single gallery uploaded! And I can't just sit here to restart the upload whenever it fails.
    Hi, can you run a dslreports.com/linequality test for us? It'll help us diagnose what's going on.
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    DKwanDKwan Registered Users Posts: 47 Big grins
    edited December 25, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Hi, can you run a dslreports.com/linequality test for us? It'll help us diagnose what's going on.

    Here ya go:
    http://www.dslreports.com/linequality/nil/2153505
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 25, 2006
    Yo! Both dkwan and simon's reports don't look good at all :(

    I've asked for Wireless (our Director of Ops) to look at the dslreports results and comment.
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    Steve CaviglianoSteve Cavigliano Super Moderators Posts: 3,599 moderator
    edited December 25, 2006
    Simon and DKwan,
    I would suggest that both of you share your results with your service providers.

    Simon, you have some major packet losses (from the West Coast to you) and your medium bandwidth ping test (the one that most closely approximates uploading) failed.

    DKwan, your Ping test wasn't even run. If it doesn't run the next time you try the test, I'd be concerned. Your results also show significant packet losses.

    If your ISP's can correct or minimize these issues, your uploading would go much smoother, IMHO.

    Steve
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    DKwanDKwan Registered Users Posts: 47 Big grins
    edited December 25, 2006
    I'm only having problems with Smugmug though. I regularly FTP 200+ MB files to my web server without problems. Tho honestly I don't understand this stuff.

    I've just reduced image file sizes from about 1.5 MB each to under 500 KB. I dunno if it's a coincidence or the smaller size helped, but the uploads seem to be going much better and aren't getting cut off (not just because they're finishing faster).
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    SameritechSameritech Registered Users Posts: 11 Big grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    I agree. There is a problem with uploading photos today. I've been trying on-and-off for about 4 hours now and nothing uploads. I've tried using 4 different upload aps and none of them work. Had no problems uploading yesterday. So there's a problem on Smugmug's end.

    Sameritech
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Simon, you have some major packet losses (from the West Coast to you) and your medium bandwidth ping test (the one that most closely approximates uploading) failed.

    If your ISP's can correct or minimize these issues, your uploading would go much smoother, IMHO.

    Steve

    talking to my ISP [NTL] involves a lengthy wait (up to an hour), then connection to a telephony centre in India with tech help who often have incomprehensible accents and minimal knowledge limited to suggestions like 'try a restart' etc, , and then a request for referral to a native english speaker and then more waiting and referrals up the line etc.

    It would perhaps help if I understood those reports myself..but I don't, nor do I have the time to study to get to understand them

    I guess I'll have to phone them but it will take the best part of a day to get through to someone who can actually interpret those reports :-(
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    OK got through to someone who knew their stuff :-o far quicker than usual (everyone else still on hols?)
    and he explained that I can do a tracert from my computer by going into the Applications>utilities>network>tracert, typing in 'upload.smugmug.com' and hitting the 'trace' button (See result below).

    From the results (below) his comments were that the ntl servers are OK but the smugmug ones are where the problem lies. In fact it stopped completely at the smugmug server (see#8 below).

    These are his comments I don't know enough about this process to comment myself.

    Well at least I have learned that I had a tracert function right here on my Mac all along - Now why didn't you guys tell me that - I thought you were mac afficionadoes?

    Traceroute has started ...

    traceroute to hermes.smugmug.com (63.81.134.24), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 10.121.56.1 (10.121.56.1) 5.617 ms 6.054 ms 6.666 ms
    2 nrwh-t2cam1-a-ge94.inet.ntl.com (81.100.32.9) 7.497 ms 6.180 ms 11.937 ms
    3 pete-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com (80.3.129.9) 9.460 ms 10.309 ms 12.729 ms
    4 nth-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.188.225) 14.176 ms 15.063 ms 12.030 ms
    5 fran-ic-1-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.81) 31.589 ms 41.038 ms 45.453 ms
    6 cr02.frf02.pccwbtn.net (80.81.192.50) 29.175 ms 34.367 ms 30.095 ms
    7 pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com (206.223.117.70) 229.308 ms 229.387 ms 216.021 ms
    8 hermes.smugmug.com (63.81.134.24) 214.596 ms 211.674 ms 220.077 ms
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Sameritech wrote:
    I agree. There is a problem with uploading photos today. I've been trying on-and-off for about 4 hours now and nothing uploads. I've tried using 4 different upload aps and none of them work. Had no problems uploading yesterday. So there's a problem on Smugmug's end.

    Sameritech
    Hello, sorry you are having troubles, too. There's not a system wide problem, I know that's small consolation. We can help diagnose your problem, if you please, give us a line quality report from www.dslreports.com/linequality that will help a lot.
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Hello, sorry you are having troubles, too. There's not a system wide problem, I know that's small consolation. We can help diagnose your problem, if you please, give us a line quality report from www.dslreports.com/linequality that will help a lot.

    any comment on my new tracroute results above?
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Simon King wrote:
    any comment on my new tracroute results above?
    Only that they are bad :( I'm sorry about that.

    I have sent these off to Don and Andrew, they are the experts.
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Only that they are bad :( I'm sorry about that.

    I have sent these off to Don and Andrew, they are the experts.

    OK thanks
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    DKwan wrote:
    I'm only having problems with Smugmug though. I regularly FTP 200+ MB files to my web server without problems. Tho honestly I don't understand this stuff.

    I've just reduced image file sizes from about 1.5 MB each to under 500 KB. I dunno if it's a coincidence or the smaller size helped, but the uploads seem to be going much better and aren't getting cut off (not just because they're finishing faster).
    Dkwan, can you please run a traceroute from you to www.smugmug.com ? Thanks. If you need instructions, holler.
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    WirelessWireless Registered Users Posts: 162 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2006
    Simon King wrote:
    OK got through to someone who knew their stuff :-o far quicker than usual (everyone else still on hols?)
    and he explained that I can do a tracert from my computer by going into the Applications>utilities>network>tracert, typing in 'upload.smugmug.com' and hitting the 'trace' button (See result below).

    From the results (below) his comments were that the ntl servers are OK but the smugmug ones are where the problem lies. In fact it stopped completely at the smugmug server (see#8 below).
    Um, yeah, that's pretty much what it's supposed to do. You've arrived at your destination. ;) Nothing else exists past 'hermes.smugmug.com' (that we let you see). But the problem isn't us...

    These are his comments I don't know enough about this process to comment myself.

    Well at least I have learned that I had a tracert function right here on my Mac all along - Now why didn't you guys tell me that - I thought you were mac afficionadoes?

    Traceroute has started ...

    traceroute to hermes.smugmug.com (63.81.134.24), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 10.121.56.1 (10.121.56.1) 5.617 ms 6.054 ms 6.666 ms
    2 nrwh-t2cam1-a-ge94.inet.ntl.com (81.100.32.9) 7.497 ms 6.180 ms 11.937 ms
    3 pete-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com (80.3.129.9) 9.460 ms 10.309 ms 12.729 ms
    4 nth-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.188.225) 14.176 ms 15.063 ms 12.030 ms
    5 fran-ic-1-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.81) 31.589 ms 41.038 ms 45.453 ms
    6 cr02.frf02.pccwbtn.net (80.81.192.50) 29.175 ms 34.367 ms 30.095 ms
    7 pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com (206.223.117.70) 229.308 ms 229.387 ms 216.021 ms
    8 hermes.smugmug.com (63.81.134.24) 214.596 ms 211.674 ms 220.077 ms
    The issue is at link 6 (or actually between 6 and 7), since it shouldn't take over 200ms to cross the ocean/continent (France->San Jose). I'll forward this along to our provider who will thus talk to PCCWBTN.
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    DKwanDKwan Registered Users Posts: 47 Big grins
    edited December 27, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Dkwan, can you please run a traceroute from you to www.smugmug.com ? Thanks. If you need instructions, holler.
    Ok.

    I dunno if it matters but I was uploading something (not to Smugmug) while I did this.

    Also, I didn't have uploading issues with Smugmug today.

    I have no idea what this stuff means but here ya go!

    traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 81.268 ms 15.702 ms 17.395 ms
    2 * * *
    3 68.87.196.69 (68.87.196.69) 803.957 ms 699.871 ms 668.655 ms
    4 68.87.192.62 (68.87.192.62) 657.302 ms 760.089 ms 727.212 ms
    5 68.87.192.82 (68.87.192.82) 793.331 ms 749.622 ms 819.126 ms
    6 * 68.87.192.86 (68.87.192.86) 983.052 ms 658.618 ms
    7 68.87.192.90 (68.87.192.90) 720.057 ms 1210.500 ms 1309.398 ms
    8 68.87.226.134 (68.87.226.134) 1195.049 ms 793.093 ms *
    9 12.116.188.13 (12.116.188.13) 909.792 ms 919.948 ms 893.834 ms
    10 12.123.12.122 (12.123.12.122) 880.896 ms 933.510 ms 974.176 ms

    Edit: Was I supposed to let it keep going? I made it stop.
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    WirelessWireless Registered Users Posts: 162 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2006
    DKwan wrote:
    Ok.

    I dunno if it matters but I was uploading something (not to Smugmug) while I did this.

    Also, I didn't have uploading issues with Smugmug today.

    I have no idea what this stuff means but here ya go!

    traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 81.268 ms 15.702 ms 17.395 ms
    2 * * *
    3 68.87.196.69 (68.87.196.69) 803.957 ms 699.871 ms 668.655 ms
    4 68.87.192.62 (68.87.192.62) 657.302 ms 760.089 ms 727.212 ms
    5 68.87.192.82 (68.87.192.82) 793.331 ms 749.622 ms 819.126 ms
    6 * 68.87.192.86 (68.87.192.86) 983.052 ms 658.618 ms
    7 68.87.192.90 (68.87.192.90) 720.057 ms 1210.500 ms 1309.398 ms
    8 68.87.226.134 (68.87.226.134) 1195.049 ms 793.093 ms *
    9 12.116.188.13 (12.116.188.13) 909.792 ms 919.948 ms 893.834 ms
    10 12.123.12.122 (12.123.12.122) 880.896 ms 933.510 ms 974.176 ms

    Edit: Was I supposed to let it keep going? I made it stop.

    An upload (to anywhere, like you're doing) on a Comcast line (and other DSL providers) will slow down everything else. Try that traceroute when nothing else is going on. If you get the same results, call and yell at Comcast.

    Hop 1 is your local router (your Netgear, Linksys, or whatever brand box that you have), Hop 2 is the local neighborhood router or whatever Comcast uses (typically times out), Hop 4-8 is Comcast's network.
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    I SimoniusI Simonius Registered Users Posts: 1,034 Major grins
    edited December 31, 2006
    Wireless wrote:
    Um, yeah, that's pretty much what it's supposed to do. You've arrived at your destination. ;) Nothing else exists past 'hermes.smugmug.com' (that we let you see). But the problem isn't us...



    The issue is at link 6 (or actually between 6 and 7), since it shouldn't take over 200ms to cross the ocean/continent (France->San Jose). I'll forward this along to our provider who will thus talk to PCCWBTN.

    OK thanks - keep me posted?
    Veni-Vidi-Snappii
    ...pics..
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