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new 5D and streetphotography

Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
edited June 4, 2007 in People
Hi y'all !

Coming from a Sony R1, I recently bought me a Canon 5D with
a 16-35 f/2.8 L to use for streetphotography.
Technically the 5D is everything I hoped it would be and more.:clap
The lens too is quite fantastic.:ivar
The only bummer is that people are much more critical of me taking their picture now that I am shooting with this "professional" equipment.:scratch
I am thinking of getting a smaller lens like the 35mm f/2 just to atract a bit less attention.
What are your thoughts, experiences and advice ?:deadhorse
Here is an example of a %d picture taken with the 16-35mm.

The title is NURIA !
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    macmacmacmac Registered Users Posts: 165 Major grins
    edited May 23, 2007
    use the lens! you'll work out an approach to the people.
    Joe

    www.joemcdowellphotography.com
    www.joemcdowellphotography.blogspot.com

    Canon 30D, EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM, EF 28-135mm 3.5-5.6 IS USM, EF-S 10-20mm f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM, EF 75-300mm 4-5.6 III USM
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    tsk1979tsk1979 Registered Users Posts: 937 Major grins
    edited May 23, 2007
    A little birdie told me 100mm 2.8(on a 1.6 crop lets you take candid street shots).
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    SitterSSitterS Registered Users Posts: 586 Major grins
    edited May 23, 2007
    I agree with Joe.

    Shane
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    Blogs:
    www.imagesbyshane.blogspot.com



    Canon 20d and 40d
    Canon 50mm 1.4
    Canon 85mm 1.8
    Canon 70-200L IS 2.8
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 23, 2007
    I suppose Joe is right...
    SitterS wrote:
    I agree with Joe.

    Shane

    ...it's just that sometimes people are a bit difficult.:patch

    This picture here is also taken with the 5D 16-35L combo on Dam square in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
    Title:
    "Gesundheit and Bon Appétit !"
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    dogwooddogwood Registered Users Posts: 2,572 Major grins
    edited May 23, 2007
    tsk1979 wrote:
    A little birdie told me 100mm 2.8(on a 1.6 crop lets you take candid street shots).

    Of course, another little birdie named Robert Capa said this :D:

    "If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough."

    All depends on your style.

    I like your street shots. The 16-35 is a crazy cool lens-- especially on a FF cam like the 5D. Enjoy!

    Portland, Oregon Photographer Pete Springer
    website blog instagram facebook g+

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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    "no pictures please"
    dogwood wrote:
    Of course, another little birdie named Robert Capa said this :D:

    "If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough."

    All depends on your style.

    I like your street shots. The 16-35 is a crazy cool lens-- especially on a FF cam like the 5D. Enjoy!

    Thank you:D

    Robert Capa...............isn't he the PJ that got killed because he got too close to the action ?headscratch.gif



    This picture here is titled: "no pictures please".
    ( that is what this man told me as I took his picture )
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    z_28z_28 Registered Users Posts: 956 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Puma Guy is perfect !

    You are one lucky fella,
    you left the room with camera and memory card intact :ivar
    D300, D70s, 10.5/2.8, 17-55/2.8, 24-85/2.8-4, 50/1.4, 70-200VR, 70-300VR, 60/2.8, SB800, SB80DX, SD8A, MB-D10 ...
    XTi, G9, 16-35/2.8L, 100-300USM, 70-200/4L, 19-35, 580EX II, CP-E3, 500/8 ...
    DSC-R1, HFL-F32X ... ; AG-DVX100B and stuff ... (I like this 10 years old signature :^)
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    The Lady from Taiwan
    z_28 wrote:
    Puma Guy is perfect !

    You are one lucky fella,
    you left the room with camera and memory card intact :ivar


    Without luck nobody gets nowhere it's truerolleyes1.gif

    Here is a picture for the catlovers on the forum
    It is called "The Lady from Taiwan".:lynnsite
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    Ted SzukalskiTed Szukalski Registered Users Posts: 1,079 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Peter, I have been watching few of your post and I have to ask: why are those photos so low in contrast? It makes them very dull. You have a great camera and lens - time to invest some time in post processing.
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    a matter of taste ?
    Peter, I have been watching few of your post and I have to ask: why are those photos so low in contrast? It makes them very dull. You have a great camera and lens - time to invest some time in post processing.


    Hi Ted !

    I do plenty of PP using layers and other tools where and when I deem them necessary.
    Deciding what level of contrast to use is to a certain point a matter of taste, and after checking out your website, I find that our tastes are quite different, but that is okay.
    Maybe you like the contrast in the next picture better.
    (maybe not:cry )

    It is titled "strike a pose" (eventhough I didn't ask her to ).
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    Ted SzukalskiTed Szukalski Registered Users Posts: 1,079 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Very true. It is a matter of taste. Do not get me wrong I like the photograph's subject. Actually I'll be visiting Amsterdam in just over a month and I'm really looking forward to taking some shots there.

    Would you allow me to post how I'd process the photo of the little girl?
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Hello Ted !
    Very true. It is a matter of taste. Do not get me wrong I like the photograph's subject. Actually I'll be visiting Amsterdam in just over a month and I'm really looking forward to taking some shots there.

    Would you allow me to post how I'd process the photo of the little girl?

    Indeed I would like to see your take of this picture.:photo
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    Ted SzukalskiTed Szukalski Registered Users Posts: 1,079 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Hi Peter,

    What I have done here:
    1. straighten the buildings using skew tool
    2. change the crop, removing most of the blown sky but still keeping 2x3 ratio and bringing stronger focus on the girl and the street market
    3. render background clouds for the blown sky (I know this is far from perfect)
    4. I made the image slightly darker and than using shadow/highlight control created a different light balance

    Peter-Dumont_strike-a-pose.jpg
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Ted,
    Hi Peter,

    What I have done here:
    1. straighten the buildings using skew tool
    2. change the crop, removing most of the blown sky but still keeping 2x3 ratio and bringing stronger focus on the girl and the street market
    3. render background clouds for the blown sky (I know this is far from perfect)
    4. I made the image slightly darker and than using shadow/highlight control created a different light balance

    Peter-Dumont_strike-a-pose.jpg

    Whereas I do see 1 or 2 details that look better, I also see details that look less and it is my opinion that the picture as a whole has suffered.

    I have the impression that analogue photography produces more gradiations in gray and that the canon 5D is particulary good at producing this kind of pictures with smooth tones, which make them look less digital.

    Thanks for showing your take though.
    It is always good to share opinions and thoughts. friday.gif

    This picture here was very very difficult to PP.
    Very harsh light and shadows combined with a complicated and delicate subject.
    The title is "bubbles"
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    UP N MTNSUP N MTNS Registered Users Posts: 94 Big grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Peter great pic's...

    This last one of the little girl I really like, the mask on the post makes me laughthumb.gif

    Keep up the great work.
    Tug at a single thing in nature, and you will find it connected to the universe.
    John Muir
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    ChrisJChrisJ Registered Users Posts: 2,164 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    These are great Peter. Looks like you're having fun with the 5D. My favorites are "no pictures please" and "strike a pose".
    Chris
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    Ted SzukalskiTed Szukalski Registered Users Posts: 1,079 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Peter,

    Bubbles is again best you've posted in terms of presenting that dynamic range. It seems each photo you post is that one step better.

    By the way there is little difference in Canon range as far as dynamic range goes, see this page:
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5d/page22.asp

    What 5d gains in highlights it looses in shadows when compared for example to 20d/30d. The total DR in both cases spans the same number of stops.
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    shy guitar player
    Peter,

    Bubbles is again best you've posted in terms of presenting that dynamic range. It seems each photo you post is that one step better.

    By the way there is little difference in Canon range as far as dynamic range goes, see this page:
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5d/page22.asp

    What 5d gains in highlights it looses in shadows when compared for example to 20d/30d. The total DR in both cases spans the same number of stops.

    Hello Ted.
    I remember having red this article.
    I am not sure if there is a difference in dynamic range in standard style color picture and monochrome style.
    I often use layers when I need to enhance the picture and sometime I even find myself mixing 2 monochrome versions with different filters from the same picture.

    Then again when talking about the "analogue look" of the 5D I am refering to its subtle tonality within the dynamic range.
    It is such a wonderful camerabowdown.gif

    This picture here again was very difficult with harsh light etc.
    It is titled "shy guitar player".
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    dogwooddogwood Registered Users Posts: 2,572 Major grins
    edited May 24, 2007
    Thank you:D

    Robert Capa...............isn't he the PJ that got killed because he got too close to the action ?headscratch.gif

    Landmine killed him, actually. He was trying to get ahead of the action to photograph a troop advance. But your point is well taken. :D

    Portland, Oregon Photographer Pete Springer
    website blog instagram facebook g+

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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2007
    serious business
    dogwood wrote:
    Landmine killed him, actually. He was trying to get ahead of the action to photograph a troop advance. But your point is well taken. :D

    Hi.

    This one is titled
    "serious business"
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    Awais YaqubAwais Yaqub Registered Users Posts: 10,572 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2007
    Hi Peter
    1st of all congrats
    2nd great photos
    3rd OMG clap.gif
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2007
    time waits for no one
    Hi Peter
    1st of all congrats
    2nd great photos
    3rd OMG clap.gif

    Hello Awais !

    Nice to hear from you again.
    Last night my mother in law died.
    She was 82 years old.
    This afternoon I met this woman on the street.
    She was holding an alarmclock.
    She told me that due to her poor eyesight,
    she wasn't able anymore to see what time it was
    from looking at a wristwatch.

    The symbolism struck me.
    The title of this photograph is:

    "time waits for no one"
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2007
    chance meeting
    The title of this photograph is:

    "time waits for no one"

    It is easy to imagine a link between the "time waits for no one" picture
    and this picture here which is "titled:
    "chance meeting"

    this picture ( like all the others in this little serie ) taken with the
    5D 16-35 L combo.
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    Adrian van AmmersAdrian van Ammers Registered Users Posts: 351 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    I happened to see your wife and son..
    ...about 8 months ago or so. I was really in a hurry to catch my appointment. I was quite surprised because I visit Haarlem maybe once a year or even less. Big coincidence rolleyes1.gif

    You are doing fine with the new beast!

    All the best and happy shooting,
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    gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    That first shot says so much peter thumb.gif I love it !
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    rundadarrundadar Registered Users Posts: 169 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    Peter,

    Your street stuff is outstanding! Truly excellent - pure emotional joy to watch.

    Out of the shots you posted, the shot with an old woman and a clock is my favourite (I also love the crumbling piece of something on her 'table' - it adds even more to the story)

    Outstanding! clap.gif


    PS. 5D does seem to produce imagery which is closer to film than other DSLRs
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    ...about 8 months ago or so. I was really in a hurry to catch my appointment. I was quite surprised because I visit Haarlem maybe once a year or even less. Big coincidence rolleyes1.gif

    You are doing fine with the new beast!

    All the best and happy shooting,

    Hello Adrian !
    Long time no hear.
    Funny to hear you saw my wife and son.
    They didn't tell me anythingheadscratch.gif .
    The 5D is nothing less than amazing.
    All I can say is : "go get one", but of course you are waiting
    for the 1DsIII to come out this fallylsuper.gif .
    Thanks to the 5D I even started to sell some pictures and I joined a
    photographers club called de fotografenavond .
    http://www.fotografenavond.nl/
    Once a month they get together in a café in Amsterdam
    and talk and friday.gif drink .
    Big fun.
    I took this picture here on the grote markt (big market) in Haarlem.
    It was late in the evening and very dark.
    1600 ISO 50mm at f/1.4
    (have you seen your father baby, standing in the shadowzzzz )

    Bye,
    Peter
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited June 4, 2007
    Hello Rundadar,
    rundadar wrote:
    Peter,



    PS. 5D does seem to produce imagery which is closer to film than other DSLRs
    Yes, that was my impression too !
    I saw you have a very nice people gallery yourself .

    This shot here was taken the same evening when I photographed the dancing couple.
    The title is : "dancing dervish"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 4, 2007
    Heya Peter!
    Look who's finally joined the Dark Side lol3.gif
    Great to see you back in the saddle and with such a nice camera/lens combo at that! thumb.gif

    And yes, I think Ted is right - some PP is in order. deal.gif
    But judging by your most recent ones, you got that already :-)
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    Peter DumontPeter Dumont Registered Users Posts: 261 Major grins
    edited June 4, 2007
    The Oysterking
    Nikolai wrote:
    Look who's finally joined the Dark Side lol3.gif
    Great to see you back in the saddle and with such a nice camera/lens combo at that! thumb.gif

    Hello Nikolai !
    Since you mention, whatever happened to your old f828; did you make a good price on it or is it now sitting in your cupboard gathering dust ?rolleyes1.gif

    Last weekend I was at an opening in a gallery where I saw a man
    dressed up in what he called a traditional french oystersuit,
    feeding people oysters that he cracked open on the spot, using an oysterknife and wearing a metal glove on his left hand and wearing little canisters with spices on his belt.

    ( I never seen this before,but then perhaps this is old news to you affluent people ? )

    He called himself "de oesterkoning" (the oysterking) and he wore a sign on his suit promoting his website.

    What do you think ?
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