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Greensquared
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I am super excited to see those Primary or Pastel entries, and even more excited about the Mega-Challenge which begins tomorrow! I have a couple of things to mention though:
Firstly, just a reminder that you now have until 8am EST on Monday to submit your entries for the DSS Challenge.
At that same time tomorrow, two simultaneous rounds will begin.
1. The Mega-Challenge.
You must have placed 1st through 5th in rounds 1-5 in order to play the Mega-Challenge. Check your name on the Mega-Challenge Entry Thread for eligibility.
2. Round 6
Everyone else can play this. If you are in the Mega-Challenge above, you may NOT enter in this round.
Now, here's the part to watch closely. If you are selected as a finalist for Round 5, watch the polls closely. This will give you a more solid idea as to which of the above rounds you will be in. Yes, you won't know for sure until Thursday evening, but both themes will be announced, so get your thinking caps on regardless. You do not have less time than anyone else, you just need to cover both bases until you know which of the above rounds you are eligible for.
Please list questions regarding this in this thread.
Firstly, just a reminder that you now have until 8am EST on Monday to submit your entries for the DSS Challenge.
At that same time tomorrow, two simultaneous rounds will begin.
1. The Mega-Challenge.
You must have placed 1st through 5th in rounds 1-5 in order to play the Mega-Challenge. Check your name on the Mega-Challenge Entry Thread for eligibility.
2. Round 6
Everyone else can play this. If you are in the Mega-Challenge above, you may NOT enter in this round.
Now, here's the part to watch closely. If you are selected as a finalist for Round 5, watch the polls closely. This will give you a more solid idea as to which of the above rounds you will be in. Yes, you won't know for sure until Thursday evening, but both themes will be announced, so get your thinking caps on regardless. You do not have less time than anyone else, you just need to cover both bases until you know which of the above rounds you are eligible for.
Please list questions regarding this in this thread.
Emily
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Oh yeah? The selection process is killing me!
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I bet it is
So tell me, what do you think is more important? Technical, aesthetic or theme? If it were up to you, and you had to use a process of elimination, which would you cut first?
I would cut doesn't meet theme first.
www.achambersphoto.com
"The point in life isn't to arrive at our final destination well preserved and in pristine condition, but rather to slide in sideways yelling.....Holy cow, what a ride."
Exact opposite order: Theme first, then aesthetic, then technical. Although I doubt you'd reach technical very often because the most aesthetically pleasing images woudl either already have good technicals ... or would transcend it.
Okay, so then, what literally would you accept as "meeting the theme" here? For example with the "Primary" side - must have all three primary colors, which, by the way, are RED, BLUE and YELLOW? (Not green, not orange, and not purple.) Just one of the three primary colors? How about the "Pastel" side? Should the whole image be filled with pastels, or is just a pastel color somewhere in the image acceptable?
www.achambersphoto.com
"The point in life isn't to arrive at our final destination well preserved and in pristine condition, but rather to slide in sideways yelling.....Holy cow, what a ride."
ditto. For me theme first, aesthetics second, technicals a tie breaker between the entries that are still in.
(edited for spelling)
www.achambersphoto.com
"The point in life isn't to arrive at our final destination well preserved and in pristine condition, but rather to slide in sideways yelling.....Holy cow, what a ride."
www.achambersphoto.com
"The point in life isn't to arrive at our final destination well preserved and in pristine condition, but rather to slide in sideways yelling.....Holy cow, what a ride."
In this particular case, unless the person submitted in BW or had absoulutely no red, blue, yellow or pastel in it at all ... it should probably pass?
imo.... I think having at least 1 color, be it primary or pastel, should be enough as long as the color is of the main subject in the image.
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Re: the three primary colors, RBY are what we perceive to be the primary colors. However, light itself is made up of the three primary colors of red, blue and green.
Sunita
Of course, this note is, like, totally self-serving. What I really mean to say is that everyone else's images ought to be disqualified immediately. Only mine meets all the requirements. No need for voting.
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Jeff Meyers
Not quite, but close. In the visible part of the spectrum, the color of the light is determined by the individual wavelength, not by the mixing of other colors. So in terms of light, all the visible colors directly coming from the sun can each be thought of as a primary.
In the additive color scheme of the computer red, green and blue are the primary colors and in the subtractive color scheme of print, it could be argued that cyan, magenta and yellow are the primaries.
The idea of primary colors being red, blue and yellow is from art, where those three basic pigments can in theory be used to produce all other possible colors.
So the interpretation in my mind should be left fairly open, with the underlying or root theme of the round being color.
Just my 0.02c (but it keeps deflating all the time).
Regards,
Peter
Ah, I love to be a nitpicker, but normally restrain myself. Sadly you broke out the all caps and well I just can't let it pass
The primaries are absolutely, positively NOT red, blue and yellow even though that is what your grade school teacher taught you. There are two possible sets of commonly used primaries:
RED, GREEN, BLUE - the "additive" or "light" primaries
CYAN, MAGENTA, YELLOW - the "subtractive" or "dye" primaries
There are also what are sometimes called "pure" colors, of which there are four: red, blue, green, and yellow. These pure colors match how chroma information is encoded in our visual system and loss of distinction between pairs of these (red/green and yellow/blue) are the more common form color blindness.
What you got taught in grade school was a bastardized version of the subtractive primaries. It is flat out wrong and yet still taught to every kindergartener propogating the ignorance across the generations...
Anyway check out good ole wikipedia for more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_colors
Good luck with your decisions, I'm glad I don't have to make them!
Ken
Thanks for clarifying, Peter. I remembered having read somewhere that all the colors of the spectrum (light) were based primarily on blue, green and red, but I guess you're right about all the colors being primary based on the indvidual wavelengths.
I agree with you on the interpretation of the theme being based on color. Looking at the entries, in retrospect, I realize that 'primary' in the literal sense was not represented at all.
Aside from the relatively open (to interpretation) theme, I find Nikolai's words from the last DGrin challange to be very helpful : would I hang this image on my wall? To me that translates to good composition and execution.
Although I agree with your comments about RGB and CMY as the primaries for computers and printers and more modern tecknowlogy....
I have to say that I disagree with your comment that RYB being totally dismissed as "ignorance across the generations". The purpose of the color wheel was invented before the "programming" when all we had were three colors that could not be duplicated with any other two colors mixed together. Thus the word "primary colors" was created. Green is a secondary color as it is a combinations of yellow/blue.
If you read to the bottom of the link you posted it did not say that RYB is not primaries. They are just the original primaries.
I don't think there is a "right" answer to your question, but I really appreciate you polling people for their thoughts. Probably the one thing to do is once you decide what you think the relative weights of the various elements you try your best to apply similar weights in the future as you are sort of an "anchor" judge in your present role.
As I stated before, I think theme should rank pretty darn highly as otherwise there isn't much point to a theme. I don't think one should stick to literally to the theme though (as witnessed as the varying definitions of "primary") but rather whether or not the image evokes the theme is some way. For example a beautiful B&W photo that has been toned blue but whose content doesn't really evoke "primary" or "pastel" would seem to me to be a poor fit to the theme. It has a primary color but doesn't really evoke the color as part of the image. On the other hand a photo that is dominated by purple but has a central compositional element that is brilliantly red my be said to have evoked "primary" beautifully by contrasting and offseting it with a gigantic field of a "complementary" color.
Well, anyway, my $0.02 helpful or not. Whatever you decide the very act of putting all the thought in that you do tells me no matter what the final decision is you are "doing it right".
Again, thanks for taking all the time for the rest of us.
Ken
You're absolutely right, way too strong a comment on my part, and yes there is a history for RYB being called "primary". Being in a position where I've often had to "unteach" the RYB system I over reacted. I guess my larger point was to be careful about taking too literal a definition of "primary" because there are in fact many such definitions and often the primaries in one definition are the complementaries in the other! The most distressing being that in our grade school education we actually mix the two systems in their strictest definitions, taking two additive primaries and one subtractive primary.
Ken
For the record, it was not my kKindergarten teacher that taught me that RYB are the primary colors, but rather my art teacher. With regards to painting, which I do, this is an accurate perception. And yes, I was taught art way before computers were commonplace.
So, back to where I was...this has all helped me to realize that some images which I thought didn't work for the theme actually might. All in all, I'll go with what appeals to me most (which ideally has equal measures of being dead-on theme, perfectly executed, and outstandingly gorgeous!)
Well, in art perception is what matters so physics and nagging engineers like me be damned and go with what connects!
I don't see how you can go wrong with that.
Ken
i have one big bright light with every color in it....