Watermark Thoughts.

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  • denisegoldbergdenisegoldberg Administrators Posts: 14,339 moderator
    edited March 28, 2009
    Shark wrote:
    With SmugMug's right click protection, can that be done?
    Right-click protection is merely a bump in the road for folks who want to grab a copy of your photo. A screen capture tool can easily be used, and with just a little bit of technical knowledge the image can be grabbed from the screen buffer.

    Yes, set right-click protection to display your copyright or whatever notice you'd like. But don't assume that protects your photos. It doesn't come anywhere close to protection.

    As far as your watermark goes, I find it obstructive enough that I wouldn't bother to look at your photos. I understand the need for the watermark given your target audience, but I'd recommend rethinking the size and look of the watermark image.

    --- Denise
  • lords8nlords8n Registered Users Posts: 18 Big grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    My opinion here...hope I don't offend anyone <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/Laughing.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" > muahahaha...
    I don't like watermarks at all. I think they distract.
    The only good reason I see for a water mark is for advertising.
    If your proofs and forum images are small enough they are effectively useless for print. If you watermark for advertising then anyone that might use your photos on their MySpace/Facebook/etc... just spread the word of your work that much more.

    I won't even look at an image with an obtrusive watermark also.

    Are my images worth watermarking? I don't know.

    I have a way different view on my photography than most I guess. I don't depend on photography for a living. It's an obsessive hobby away from my computer programming 9 to 5.

    http://kcharron.net/album <--- no watermarks, take all you wish, email me if you want a full-size version of any of them, I have the RAWs if some obscure legal issue should arise.

    On post though... I think something like FrogLady's watermark is perfect, although with a good bit of effort I could clone that out. That shark watermark just doesn't say enough about you for advertising purposes.
    Canon 40D - Canon 50mm f1.4, Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, Canon 70-200 f2.8L
  • tjk60tjk60 Registered Users Posts: 520 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    Here is what my WM looks like. If I could figure out how to make it more obnoxious i would....

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    Tim
    Troy, MI

    D700/200, SB800(4), 70-200, 300 2.8 and a few more

    www.sportsshooter.com/tjk60
  • lords8nlords8n Registered Users Posts: 18 Big grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    No offense, not meaning to start anything, and i'll gladly erase this image at your wish, but that water mark is not very effective. Well, really, with enough know how and time no watermarks are very effective. Took less than five minutes to do this. But I guess they do keep the average person at bey.

    lol_watermark.jpg
    Canon 40D - Canon 50mm f1.4, Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, Canon 70-200 f2.8L
  • W.W. WebsterW.W. Webster Registered Users Posts: 3,204 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    lords8n wrote:
    that water mark is not very effective
    Can you pop that tongue back in his head while you are at it? :D
  • SharkShark Registered Users Posts: 282 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    Thank you to everybody who chimed in with their comments. I asked for it I guess, right? No, just kidding. I wanted to know what other photographers thought, and I received some good comments.
    Thanks again.

    Shark
    "12 significant photographs in any one year is a good crop".
    Ansel Adams


    www.pbs131.smugmug.com
  • j-boj-bo Registered Users Posts: 313 Major grins
    edited March 28, 2009
    Shark wrote:
    Thank you to everybody who chimed in with their comments. I asked for it I guess, right? No, just kidding. I wanted to know what other photographers thought, and I received some good comments.
    Thanks again.

    Shark

    Well you can discard all the ones saying that a watermark is obtrusive, etc. etc. No offense here, but obviously, they are not selling to the same target customers as some of us are and maybe not selling event photo's where you are posting 600+images.

    As far as "free advertising"... seriously. That's a sorry way to look at it. If I want advertising, I'll go about it another way. I don't watermark for advertising purposes, I watermark to prevent theft, nothing more, nothing less.
  • SharkShark Registered Users Posts: 282 Major grins
    edited March 29, 2009
    j-bo wrote:
    Well you can discard all the ones saying that a watermark is obtrusive, etc. etc. No offense here, but obviously, they are not selling to the same target customers as some of us are and maybe not selling event photo's where you are posting 600+images.

    As far as "free advertising"... seriously. That's a sorry way to look at it. If I want advertising, I'll go about it another way. I don't watermark for advertising purposes, I watermark to prevent theft, nothing more, nothing less.


    Thanks j-bo.
    "12 significant photographs in any one year is a good crop".
    Ansel Adams


    www.pbs131.smugmug.com
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited March 29, 2009
    allI see is 3 curled edges for the exif and it takes me to a blank page....so all in alll....I see nothing.
    "Genuine Fractals was, is and will always be the best solution for enlarging digital photos." ....Vincent Versace ... ... COPYRIGHT YOUR WORK ONLINE ... ... My Website

  • ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,934 moderator
    edited March 31, 2009
    An alternative is to create a logo/bug and put it across the bottom of the image making it more advertising than watermark. If it's creative enough, it will probably stay on the thumbs people grab.

    The general rule of "if you can display it on a computer, then it's easily taken" always applies. And as one other poster has pointed out, getting rid of them is easy enough if you're willing to take the time.

    And lastly, to those who say they'd never look at watermarked images, I'd respond "it's not you or your kid in the photos" :D For those whose business is photography, the watermark is a part of doing business.
    Moderator Journeys/Sports/Big Picture :: Need some help with dgrin?
  • SharkShark Registered Users Posts: 282 Major grins
    edited March 31, 2009
    ian408 wrote:
    And lastly, to those who say they'd never look at watermarked images, I'd respond "it's not you or your kid in the photos" :D For those whose business is photography, the watermark is a part of doing business.

    I can't agree with you more. Thanks ian.
    "12 significant photographs in any one year is a good crop".
    Ansel Adams


    www.pbs131.smugmug.com
  • eventsevents Registered Users Posts: 15 Big grins
    edited April 3, 2009
    Was glad to find this message string as I just got slammed. A client posted a link on a public mailing list for people to stop by my site and see the pictures I had posted. One of the first people that stopped by left a very nasty comment about how they would never again come to my site and never again would they look at pictures I shot and ended it by calling me a "copyright Nazi
    ".

    This is obviously a person who is accustomed to getting free event pictures and doesn't have much of a clue about those who try to make a living doing this. Many people never dealt with a pro photographer other than their senior HS pix. I will bet that if they hired a pro for their Sr. pix that the pix were marked PROOF or something. I wonder if they told their HS photographer that they would never come back or look at the pix again rolleyes1.gif

    Like some others, I have a big nasty watermark that would be a major job for someone to try and remove it...

    Even those who are "up" for watermarking might think I have overdone it...

    http://www.photographevents.biz/Charitable%20Events/743190

    I have had a half dozen versions of the watermark over time... I was thinking of making yet another change. I was thinking of putting the comment that the obnoxious watermark will not appear on the pix they have purchased in case they miss the note to that effect on the top.

    Comments?
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    Lew
    Your event, our Camera!
    PhotographEvents.Biz
    PhotographEvents.Com
  • b08rsab08rsa Registered Users Posts: 216 Major grins
    edited April 3, 2009
    events wrote:
    Was glad to find this message string as I just got slammed. A client posted a link on a public mailing list for people to stop by my site and see the pictures I had posted. One of the first people that stopped by left a very nasty comment about how they would never again come to my site and never again would they look at pictures I shot and ended it by calling me a "copyright Nazi
    ".

    This is obviously a person who is accustomed to getting free event pictures and doesn't have much of a clue about those who try to make a living doing this. Many people never dealt with a pro photographer other than their senior HS pix. I will bet that if they hired a pro for their Sr. pix that the pix were marked PROOF or something. I wonder if they told their HS photographer that they would never come back or look at the pix again rolleyes1.gif

    Like some others, I have a big nasty watermark that would be a major job for someone to try and remove it...

    Even those who are "up" for watermarking might think I have overdone it...

    http://www.photographevents.biz/Charitable%20Events/743190

    I have had a half dozen versions of the watermark over time... I was thinking of making yet another change. I was thinking of putting the comment that the obnoxious watermark will not appear on the pix they have purchased in case they miss the note to that effect on the top.

    Comments?

    Love the Watermark... As you can see, this rider is about to have a bad day... "Brace for impact".
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    Sony A7ii, Sigma 24mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens, Sony FE85mm f/1.8 Lens, Sony FE 28-70 mm F3.5-5.6 OSS Lens, Godox 860iiS Flash.
  • tjk60tjk60 Registered Users Posts: 520 Major grins
    edited April 3, 2009
    lords8n wrote:
    No offense, not meaning to start anything, and i'll gladly erase this image at your wish, but that water mark is not very effective. Well, really, with enough know how and time no watermarks are very effective. Took less than five minutes to do this. But I guess they do keep the average person at bey.

    lol_watermark.jpg

    I don't mind at all. With Photoshop anyone with time and skill can get by just about WM
    Tim
    Troy, MI

    D700/200, SB800(4), 70-200, 300 2.8 and a few more

    www.sportsshooter.com/tjk60
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