I just needed to jump in here to say, thanks everyone for the props and critique in the gallery comments on my shot! And for those who were wondering about the white thing above the gardeners head... It's a sign that says grapes with a grape cluster painted on it... I left it there on purpose to see how many people would say it was a distraction Jeff Meyers was the only one... congratulations Jeff! rofl
I have to admit I did wonder what the hell it was.... I even wondered if it was a reflector of some kind!
Kat, the dailies community is part of the SmugMug communities and is not directly linked to DGrin. I was an active part of that community for a year, and I can say for certain there isn't a huge crossover between people who participate in the dailies and those who are registered on DGrin. I can name a few, but it really isn't an overwhelming number. And even fewer the number who are in the dailies community, registered on DGrin, and participate in the challenges.
Asking for feedback elsewhere on an entry is kosher. Getting feedback from anywhere is fine, especially since feedback is especially craved 'round these parts.
Now, certainly, posting an image elsewhere and then asking a whole bunch of people to come vote for your photo here is not kosher. I haven't seen anyone doing this, but we certainly keep track of who is voting and can spot it if it suddenly does start to happen. The dailies community is HUGE. We'd notice if they suddenly all flooded us.
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Kerry,
I know feedback is important. I post on here for feedback too and love it.
You say there is not a cross over but there is, maybe not all at once, but there is.. You also said that I am accusing an entire community. I am not.. I am pointing out that certain individuals "work" these communities knowing full well what they are doing in asking for votes.. I can understand that they post there for cc, but to announce in those communities that they would appreciate votes and to label their photos as "possible challenge entries" is working the system..
If it did not work then why do they ask for votes?
as in "this statement" from photobug's own gallery quoted here:
Kat, I understand what you're saying. In the rest of that text, I also stated that asking for votes was not kosher. I can't police any community outside DGrin, but I can and do watch like a hawk the votes that come in here. Just because someone is asking for votes does not mean they are getting them. Your supermods would see it. Trust us to do our (volunteer) jobs.
Just to reiterate what has been posted a few times in various threads: campaigning for votes goes against everything we've set the challenges up to accomplish. Don't do it. The consequences won't be enjoyable for anyone. <!--EndFragment-->
welcome to the Tatiana thread ,well for a change of pace on my way to vote
Mark thank you Daniel the allen thanks you golfer thank you James the f4 is just not the same but a good lens photoeffects thank you I am not going to tell you about some of the folks I shot with Curious thank you very much Divamum a bird portrait thank you and whiterice thank you I do try harder than sum
I will say again no flash was used by doing that in the field the birds will come back and share with you.I knew my shot was not going to the finals not just because it was a BIRD but it was also taken by jwear.I also had to post a hummer shot ,last challenge . Thank you all again :ivar Jeff
Yikes. You guys are kind of scary now. Don't scare us newbies off here! I talked one person in to doing dgrin challenges, so I feel kind of responsible for what he sees . . .
Kara
Kara, dont get chased off yet..... the challenges are better than any daytime drama on TV... (ok, Im talking out the yeahoo, I have no idea what soaps are really like other than the basics...) but still dont run of yet... I want to see your next entry!!!
Kara, dont get chased off yet..... the challenges are better than any daytime drama on TV... (ok, Im talking out the yeahoo, I have no idea what soaps are really like other than the basics...) but still dont run of yet... I want to see your next entry!!!
Me too!
This group really is great and supportive, but from time to time, we hit our bumps....you just gotta roll through them! Please stick around, I personally have grown so much with my photography since I have been participating in this forum, don't give up yet!
Karin
"Dance like no one is watching. Sing like no one is listening. Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's heaven on Earth." — Mark Twain
Kat, I understand what you're saying. In the rest of that text, I also stated that asking for votes was not kosher. I can't police any community outside DGrin, but I can and do watch like a hawk the votes that come in here. Just because someone is asking for votes does not mean they are getting them. Your supermods would see it. Trust us to do our (volunteer) jobs.
Just to reiterate what has been posted a few times in various threads: campaigning for votes goes against everything we've set the challenges up to accomplish. Don't do it. The consequences won't be enjoyable for anyone. <!--EndFragment-->
Hi Kerry, I am so new to this (this is only my second contest) that maybe I'm not even entitled to an opinion here..... But is seems to me that A: Under no circumstances should judges be required (perhaps it should be forbidden) to justify their decisions to contest participants. I DID pm Greensquare myself because I was curious why my 1st image didn't make it and she was very helpfull. So perhaps these sort of exchanges, if not forbidden altogether,could be relegated to pm's between contestants and judges. Each individual judge could establish their own policy on whether they further critque the images or not. If these things are kept private, rather than posted out there for everybody to see, maybe losing contestants wouldn't feel so obligated to explain, justify, and argue on the public posts.
When Budweiser (or whoever) holds a contest to see who gets the free NASCAR tickets you always hear the same thing - "All judges' decisions are final."
Yep forming groups or whatever for the exclusive purpose of soliciting votes is uncool as hell. Somebody could form an exclusive invitation only group and if it gets large enough they could hold contests within contests, and take turns voting for members of their own groups.....
I'm having great fun with the past couple of contests I've entered because both of them have forced me to produce images I wouldn't have otherwise..... But you know, I don't even have any idea what the prize is if I win.... Why is it so important to win this thing that there's even the suspicion of foul play? I could offer one or two solutions though. The rules could be revised so that only people who enter the contest with valid images are eligible to vote.... Better yet, - a dgrinner who doesn't produce an image for the contest gets only one vote, while a true contestant with an image gets two or three votes, - only one of which can be used to vote for their own image......
Like I said I'm a newbie and my opinion probably doesn't mean a helluva lot, but I for my part am really enjoying this and would really like to see people come together, agree on some standard procedures, and get on with the more important business at hand - the images themselves. Thankyou for your time..... Wess/MadCat
Me too!
This group really is great and supportive, but from time to time, we hit our bumps....you just gotta roll through them! Please stick around, I personally have grown so much with my photography since I have been participating in this forum, don't give up yet!
Like any other family, we have our dysfunctional moments. Things are worked out and life goes on.
Like Karin, I too, have grown so much with my photography since I've been a member of Dgrin.
Like any other family, we have our dysfunctional moments. Things are worked out and life goes on.
Like Karin, I too, have grown so much with my photography since I've been a member of Dgrin.
I'm so new to this that I just posed the question to Kerry - 'what the hell is at stake with these contests that people are suspecting foul l=play?" I mean if we're all competing for a brand new Nikon D3X I can see where people might get sneakyI and underhanded. If that's what these contests were about I'd get one of my underworld computer buddies to hack in to the really stiff competition images, put warts on the models' noses and blacken their teeth or something like that. But I sure wouldn't do anything dishonest! We're not even competing for free magazine subscriptions are we???? Why not keep it light and fun and friendly? And, Like Linda, I gotta admit Dgrin has pushed me a long way in a short time.... and I'm an old throwbackfilm shooter. Dgrin is too cool to implode. w
henceforth forever more you are knighted and dubbed with an entitlement...as long as you only vote for Canon shooters that is...:D
Semi personal question Bro - how old are you? My first autofocus camera was a Canon E0S 620 and every once in a while I'll see one in a pawn shop for 50 or 60 bucks and it brings a little tear to my eye.
Prior to the E0S 620 I shot with an A1 and an AE1 Program, as well as a Cannonete rangefinger with a 40mm fixed lens that made images so sharp
you could shave with them.
At this point in my life I'm a Nikon guy, but I've told more than one person that they're both the best of the best & don't even consider anything but. An I still entitiled??? w
Semi personal question Bro - how old are you? My first autofocus camera was a Canon E0S 620 and every once in a while I'll see one in a pawn shop for 50 or 60 bucks and it brings a little tear to my eye.
Prior to the E0S 620 I shot with an A1 and an AE1 Program, as well as a Cannonete rangefinger with a 40mm fixed lens that made images so sharp
you could shave with them.
At this point in my life I'm a Nikon guy, but I've told more than one person that they're both the best of the best & don't even consider anything but. An I still entitiled??? w
point taken, I was just trying to make you feel welcome... humor can have adverse affects via the internet....
Just so you know, I didn't produce that image, can't and actually come up with a situation in which I would. I don't find it particularyly offensive, but let's face it - our kids this stuff as muh as we do. Anyway, not MINE. w
Thank you all who have commented and given feedback on my image in the gallery. I really do appreciate your time in responding! I have learned so much from these challenges since I started doing them over a year ago...its amazing how they can push a person beyond what they originally thought they could ever accomplish!
I hope we continue to use these challenges as a learning forum. Thus why they are called 'challenges' and not called 'competitions'.
Thank you to everyone that left comments in the gallery
Thanks to everyone that left comments in the gallery on my entry. It was very gratifying to read the feedback. I had walked past this gentleman several times over the last many weeks. His shop is one of five to six in a row on a side road I'll take walking home.
On this occasion, I noticed he had a lovely cat, so I stopped and spent 10-15 minutes petting the cat and 'chatting' with the gentleman. He would reach out and touch my shoulder on occasion, give me a thumbs-up. As usual, several of the other locals would start to notice and happily acknowledge my sitting with them.
I hadn't hid my camera at all and mid-way through I pointed at him and back to my camera and shrugged a question mark. He leaned back, tilted his head and posed for several shots. I've stopped by a couple of more times to 'visit' him and his cat. I'll probably have a small print made to give him as well.
I took the shot with the 50mm 1.4 on a D300. I would have preferred being slightly wider, but I think it worked out.
Here are a couple of extra shots from the same shop. The first is his cat and the second, him enjoying an ice cream. He's wearing the same shirt, but I promise it's a different night!
ps. I would have posted a thank you in the gallery, but for some reason I haven't been able to make that work...
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I have to admit I did wonder what the hell it was.... I even wondered if it was a reflector of some kind!
Just to reiterate what has been posted a few times in various threads: campaigning for votes goes against everything we've set the challenges up to accomplish. Don't do it. The consequences won't be enjoyable for anyone.
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Danny, nice shot!
I was wondering if you ever got a written consent from the subject?
BTW - nice attempt at lightening up the mood on this thread.:cry
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Mark thank you Daniel the allen thanks you
I will say again no flash was used by doing that in the field the birds will come back and share with you.I knew my shot was not going to the finals not just because it was a BIRD but it was also taken by jwear.I also had to post a hummer shot ,last challenge . Thank you all again :ivar Jeff
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Kara, dont get chased off yet..... the challenges are better than any daytime drama on TV... (ok, Im talking out the yeahoo, I have no idea what soaps are really like other than the basics...) but still dont run of yet... I want to see your next entry!!!
Im surprised Danny didnt get clocked...:D
Shimon revenge is sweet...
Me too!
This group really is great and supportive, but from time to time, we hit our bumps....you just gotta roll through them! Please stick around, I personally have grown so much with my photography since I have been participating in this forum, don't give up yet!
"Dance like no one is watching. Sing like no one is listening. Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's heaven on Earth." — Mark Twain
Hi Kerry, I am so new to this (this is only my second contest) that maybe I'm not even entitled to an opinion here..... But is seems to me that A: Under no circumstances should judges be required (perhaps it should be forbidden) to justify their decisions to contest participants. I DID pm Greensquare myself because I was curious why my 1st image didn't make it and she was very helpfull. So perhaps these sort of exchanges, if not forbidden altogether,could be relegated to pm's between contestants and judges. Each individual judge could establish their own policy on whether they further critque the images or not. If these things are kept private, rather than posted out there for everybody to see, maybe losing contestants wouldn't feel so obligated to explain, justify, and argue on the public posts.
When Budweiser (or whoever) holds a contest to see who gets the free NASCAR tickets you always hear the same thing - "All judges' decisions are final."
Yep forming groups or whatever for the exclusive purpose of soliciting votes is uncool as hell. Somebody could form an exclusive invitation only group and if it gets large enough they could hold contests within contests, and take turns voting for members of their own groups.....
I'm having great fun with the past couple of contests I've entered because both of them have forced me to produce images I wouldn't have otherwise..... But you know, I don't even have any idea what the prize is if I win.... Why is it so important to win this thing that there's even the suspicion of foul play? I could offer one or two solutions though. The rules could be revised so that only people who enter the contest with valid images are eligible to vote.... Better yet, - a dgrinner who doesn't produce an image for the contest gets only one vote, while a true contestant with an image gets two or three votes, - only one of which can be used to vote for their own image......
Like I said I'm a newbie and my opinion probably doesn't mean a helluva lot, but I for my part am really enjoying this and would really like to see people come together, agree on some standard procedures, and get on with the more important business at hand - the images themselves. Thankyou for your time..... Wess/MadCat
Like any other family, we have our dysfunctional moments. Things are worked out and life goes on.
Like Karin, I too, have grown so much with my photography since I've been a member of Dgrin.
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Not to worry. The moderators are on top of things.
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henceforth forever more you are knighted and dubbed with an entitlement...as long as you only vote for Canon shooters that is...:D
I'm so new to this that I just posed the question to Kerry - 'what the hell is at stake with these contests that people are suspecting foul l=play?" I mean if we're all competing for a brand new Nikon D3X I can see where people might get sneakyI and underhanded. If that's what these contests were about I'd get one of my underworld computer buddies to hack in to the really stiff competition images, put warts on the models' noses and blacken their teeth or something like that. But I sure wouldn't do anything dishonest! We're not even competing for free magazine subscriptions are we???? Why not keep it light and fun and friendly? And, Like Linda, I gotta admit Dgrin has pushed me a long way in a short time.... and I'm an old throwbackfilm shooter. Dgrin is too cool to implode. w
Semi personal question Bro - how old are you? My first autofocus camera was a Canon E0S 620 and every once in a while I'll see one in a pawn shop for 50 or 60 bucks and it brings a little tear to my eye.
Prior to the E0S 620 I shot with an A1 and an AE1 Program, as well as a Cannonete rangefinger with a 40mm fixed lens that made images so sharp
you could shave with them.
At this point in my life I'm a Nikon guy, but I've told more than one person that they're both the best of the best & don't even consider anything but. An I still entitiled??? w
Hey, my first camera was, still is, a Zeiss Ikon Kontaflex.. KEH has them for $15 I think...
And come on folks, toggle yer brightness bar, will ya???
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and I do believe its true.. that there are roads left in both of our shoes..
wait a minute,you have gone too far this time
point taken, I was just trying to make you feel welcome... humor can have adverse affects via the internet....
Thanks Bro We could all use a lot of humor right now. I'm not clear now though - are you a Cannonite, or a Nikonian???
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and I do believe its true.. that there are roads left in both of our shoes..
Haha. Let me win the lottery and I'll show ya what a canon-phile I am. As it happens, I'm just a closet one at the moment lol!
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Thanks to everyone that left comments in the gallery on my entry. It was very gratifying to read the feedback. I had walked past this gentleman several times over the last many weeks. His shop is one of five to six in a row on a side road I'll take walking home.
On this occasion, I noticed he had a lovely cat, so I stopped and spent 10-15 minutes petting the cat and 'chatting' with the gentleman. He would reach out and touch my shoulder on occasion, give me a thumbs-up. As usual, several of the other locals would start to notice and happily acknowledge my sitting with them.
I hadn't hid my camera at all and mid-way through I pointed at him and back to my camera and shrugged a question mark. He leaned back, tilted his head and posed for several shots. I've stopped by a couple of more times to 'visit' him and his cat. I'll probably have a small print made to give him as well.
I took the shot with the 50mm 1.4 on a D300. I would have preferred being slightly wider, but I think it worked out.
Here are a couple of extra shots from the same shop. The first is his cat and the second, him enjoying an ice cream. He's wearing the same shirt, but I promise it's a different night!
ps. I would have posted a thank you in the gallery, but for some reason I haven't been able to make that work...
but I couldn't figured out why the radio was inside
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