Ah, rumors. Such fun to speculate. If this article is accurate, then I don't understand at all the market Canon is targeting. Seems like a less capable 5DII at about the same price. Doesn't add up, IMO.
Ah, rumors. Such fun to speculate. If this article is accurate, then I don't understand at all the market Canon is targeting. Seems like a less capable 5DII at about the same price. Doesn't add up, IMO.
- I don't see how anyone can hope to sell the 7D (with the rumored specifications) for the same price as a 5D2 - just doesn't pass the smell test.
I've been following this with interest and not a little amusement - the reader comments posted on canonrumors.com after each new leaklet are pretty funny ( I mean, I spend as much too-much-time on the 'net and imagining the perfect new camera as anybody, but really... some people clearly have WAAYYYYYYYyyYYYY too much time on their hands and take this all Terribly Terribly Seriously :giggle :lol4)
What's interesting in the article you've linked, Dan, is that it seems to be citing canonrumors.com conclusions as, well... conclusive. Rumorsites quoting rumorsites....
In any case, I'm definitely intrigued to see what finally emerges following all the speculation. It's pretty fun to watch the ride this year (last year was before the obsession started, so I didn't even know that there was anything to follow...... ). I myself hope that there will be 60d AND 7d announcement, but we'll see, I guess!
If the 7D MSRP is $2700 per the Best Buy leak, then it has to be an APS-H, pro AF, 8-10fps, junior 1D. Just like how the 5D2 is a junior 1Ds. That is the only way it could command that price, and fit nicely between the Nikon D300s and D700. (Canon and Nikon like to stagger their bodies) If so, I'd be all over it.
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An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
It definitely looks like it's not a single digit model but more of a consumer/prosumer body, so who knows. Hopefully Canon shoots will get their wish and it'll be a standard body with crop sensor and 8 fps or so. However, the D300 is like $1,300 so this new body sounds expensive if $2,700 is the real price.
A Nikon D300 competitor makes the most sense as Canon has never offered something in between its consumer and pro cameras.
And judging by the latest pic of the top of it
It definitely looks like it's not a single digit model but more of a consumer/prosumer body, so who knows. Hopefully Canon shoots will get their wish and it'll be a standard body with crop sensor and 8 fps or so. However, the D300 is like $1,300 so this new body sounds expensive if $2,700 is the real price.
An APS-H (1.3x crop) pro AF, 8-10fps, optional vertical grip "1D Lite" would fill the big hole in Canon's lineup between the 1D and 50D, and it would abide by Canon/Nikon's unspoken agreement to not compete directly with each others' sub-pro bodies.
-Jack
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
My hopes are if rumors of the 7D are true it will likely drive down the price of the 5DMKII making it within reach of the average joe amateur like me. I think I've out grown my trusty 40D and ready to make the move on up!!!
My hopes are if rumors of the 7D are true it will likely drive down the price of the 5DMKII making it within reach of the average joe amateur like me. I think I've out grown my trusty 40D and ready to make the move on up!!!
More likely that the 5D will be able to migrate up in price over time.
I can imagine with your 2.8 70-200 IS lens that you are tempted to go for a more appropriate body. Not that there is anything wrong with a 40D but I would be curious to see the difference with the lens on a full frame camera.
My hopes are if rumors of the 7D are true it will likely drive down the price of the 5DMKII making it within reach of the average joe amateur like me. I think I've out grown my trusty 40D and ready to make the move on up!!!
If the 7D is a budget full frame camera, you might get your wish, which is why I don't think that will happen.
I think it's going to be a junior 1D, much like how the 5D2 is a junior 1Ds. So the 7D and 5D2 would be on the same price level. That is a hole in Canon's lineup that needs filling badly. It would finally be a response to the Nikon D300 and D700
-Jack
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
If the 7D is a budget full frame camera, you might get your wish, which is why I don't think that will happen.
I think it's going to be a junior 1D, much like how the 5D2 is a junior 1Ds. So the 7D and 5D2 would be on the same price level. That is a hole in Canon's lineup that needs filling badly. It would finally be a response to the Nikon D300 and D700
Hmm...good point. Maybe I'm holding out for a miracle.
Hmm...good point. Maybe I'm holding out for a miracle.
The most recent rumors are pretty impressive, if they are indeed close to accurate.
Sadly, I think it will be out of my price league no matter what it is, and it looks like a 60D isn't going to appear until next year. That said, by next year I might have a little more money to burn...
The most recent rumors are pretty impressive, if they are indeed close to accurate.
Sadly, I think it will be out of my price league no matter what it is, and it looks like a 60D isn't going to appear until next year. That said, by next year I might have a little more money to burn...
I wouldn't expect a 60D until next year, if past Canon production is anything to go by. I think the 50D came out shortly before Oct last year and the xxD, I think tend to come out on an 18-month cycle.
It is supposively full frame but that link says that it would be: APS-C (1.6 Crop)
Something lost in translation here?
It appears that in these changes Canon is also changing the naming paradigm.
The upgraded 50D is not the 60D, but the 7D. This is why it seems confusing to see a crop framed improved 5DMII, because its not and improved 5D, but an improved 50D.
Canon looks to be retreating from the megapixel race and going to an improved performance race, one that suits me just fine.
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It appears that in these changes Canon is also changing the naming paradigm.
The upgraded 50D is not the 60D, but the 7D. This is why it seems confusing to see a crop framed improved 5DMII, because its not and improved 5D, but an improved 50D.
Canon looks to be retreating from the megapixel race and going to an improved performance race, one that suits me just fine.
Well, there don't seem to be official details yet - from what I'm reading, there still seems to be speculation over whether it's going to be FF or APS-C and what the price-point will be. I guess we'll find out in the next couple of weeks!
I've been trying to figure out what market Canon is gunning for with the 7D.
With 1D-like AF and metering, but a crop sensor, are we talking about semi-pro sports shooters? Wildlife photographers? Photojournalists? It's definitely an interesting product, and if the 1700 dollar price tag is accurate, a magnificent deal for what it does.
I bought my 40D because it was a mini 1DIII, looks like it's going to be replaced.
Finally some more concrete info! The speculations have been amusing, but reality is even more intriguing
If the price stays in that region, has killer high ISO performance and it really is a crop (a few days agoI read some speculations that it might be ff or 1.3 that accepts EFS lenses, although that now seems to be debunked by the further trickle of information), it might well be on my list after the initial price starts to come down a little bit....
I am not sure why someone would be surprised at Canon making a higher end APS-C sports shooter camera. I have always been a fan of crop cameras for sports anyways - gets much better reach and wider DOF when people are moving making sure you get the focus just right. If I was a Canon shooter I would only use APS-C sensor cameras for sports. Why would a sports shooter not want the extra reach? If noise is well controlled the FF does not seem like a better option for sports. That's just my opinion, but lugging around huge gear with lenses that don't have near the reach on FF compared to the crop sensors just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have done a ton of sports shooting and I regularly need 400mm length. Much easier to achieve in a crop camera. I hae frankly been surprised that Canon didn't offer a higher level sports camera in the crop format. Especially since the newer APS-C sensors are doing so much better in the noise category. Looks like this camera is going to be a real winner.
I also think the fact they chose to call it 7D is to get some people to accept the idea that a crop sensor camera can be considered a true "Pro" camera. This is not made just for amateurs.
Finally some more concrete info! The speculations have been amusing, but reality is even more intriguing
If the price stays in that region, has killer high ISO performance and it really is a crop (a few days agoI read some speculations that it might be ff or 1.3 that accepts EFS lenses, although that now seems to be debunked by the further trickle of information), it might well be on my list after the initial price starts to come down a little bit....
DM your recent posts have had me ROTFL!!! You have become a real GEEK!!! I've noticed the metamorphosis happening for a while. Or had you merely been hiding that particular light under a bushel up till now?:D:D:D
DM your recent posts have had me ROTFL!!! You have become a real GEEK!!! I've noticed the metamorphosis happening for a while. Or had you merely been hiding that particular light under a bushel up till now?:D:D:D
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oooOOOOoooh nOOOOooo.... :smo my secret has been discovered!!!!
'Tis true... as long as it doesn't involve any actual math, I am a closet geek, although very much on a "need to know" rather than universal basis. I usually hide it well, but occasionally my inner techie comes out to play.... :lol
As for following this particular story, however, it's with intent rather than idle interest: even when I bought my Xsi last year I knew that it would either be a stepping-stone body, or ultimately become a second body. I didn't really want the 50d (too similar to the 40d, which is already extremely similar in processor and performance to the Xsi), the 5dII is WAY out of my price league, and so I've just been waiting and watching in the hope a choice would present itself. Plus, I finally have some WORK booked for the next few months, so I might actually have some money again (now let's hope these contracts don't actually get cancelled - 3 out of 4 booked gigs went south this year, so it has been pretty bad. All of my camera-gear purchases this year were funded by photographic gig-lets and/or sale of existing gear to fund them.....)
Your development in all kinds of ways here has been amazing to see. And it's obvious you are a survivor. I wish you all the best, and I hope those gigs stay your side of the border and you are able to get the camera of your dreams, when the manufacturers get around to it!
I have discovered a similar geeky side to my own nature since getting into photography, and I enjoy the gear and the tech side of things for their own sake, as much as the actual taking of pictures.
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1. 18MP APSC CMOS
2. Dual DIGIC 4
3. 8 FPS (94 FINE JPEG/ 15 RAW)
4. New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
5. ISO 100-6400 (Exp 12800)
6. 100% 1.0X magni VF with intelligent display, horizon assist
7. New iFCL metering (exposure and colour)
8. 3′ 920K Version II LCD, 160 deg viewing
9. Full HD video (w external mic input n HDMI output)
10. Live view w Face-priority AF
11. New switch for Live View/Video mode
12. Aero-dynamic body design, metallic shutter sound, 150K shutter life
13. New 24mm built-in flash, supports EOS intelligent speedlite system
14. A.L.O
15. P.I.C
16. Picture style
17. EOS Integrated Dust Removal system
Your development in all kinds of ways here has been amazing to see. And it's obvious you are a survivor. I wish you all the best, and I hope those gigs stay your side of the border and you are able to get the camera of your dreams, when the manufacturers get around to it!
I have discovered a similar geeky side to my own nature since getting into photography, and I enjoy the gear and the tech side of things for their own sake, as much as the actual taking of pictures.
Take care.
Neil
Thanks for the very kind words, Neil
Back to the subject at hand... every trickle of info about the 7D makes it sound more and more intriguing! Hopefully tomorrow some of the magazines and pundits will start previewing - am very interested to hear the reality of this new beast!
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Ah, rumors. Such fun to speculate. If this article is accurate, then I don't understand at all the market Canon is targeting. Seems like a less capable 5DII at about the same price.
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What's interesting in the article you've linked, Dan, is that it seems to be citing canonrumors.com conclusions as, well... conclusive. Rumorsites quoting rumorsites....
In any case, I'm definitely intrigued to see what finally emerges following all the speculation. It's pretty fun to watch the ride this year (last year was before the obsession started, so I didn't even know that there was anything to follow......
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
And judging by the latest pic of the top of it
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/camerattop.jpg
It definitely looks like it's not a single digit model but more of a consumer/prosumer body, so who knows. Hopefully Canon shoots will get their wish and it'll be a standard body with crop sensor and 8 fps or so. However, the D300 is like $1,300 so this new body sounds expensive if $2,700 is the real price.
That top is basically a 5D2 top with an onboard flash and a couple extra buttons. This other leaked photo has been tested for fakeness and the consensus is that it's real:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4498/1250680167dsc00049.jpg
So chances are excellent that it's a single digit body.
And the Nikon D300 costs $1600 now, and the D300s will be $1800.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d300s.asp
An APS-H (1.3x crop) pro AF, 8-10fps, optional vertical grip "1D Lite" would fill the big hole in Canon's lineup between the 1D and 50D, and it would abide by Canon/Nikon's unspoken agreement to not compete directly with each others' sub-pro bodies.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
More likely that the 5D will be able to migrate up in price over time.
I can imagine with your 2.8 70-200 IS lens that you are tempted to go for a more appropriate body. Not that there is anything wrong with a 40D but I would be curious to see the difference with the lens on a full frame camera.
If the 7D is a budget full frame camera, you might get your wish, which is why I don't think that will happen.
I think it's going to be a junior 1D, much like how the 5D2 is a junior 1Ds. So the 7D and 5D2 would be on the same price level. That is a hole in Canon's lineup that needs filling badly. It would finally be a response to the Nikon D300 and D700
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Hmm...good point. Maybe I'm holding out for a miracle.
The most recent rumors are pretty impressive, if they are indeed close to accurate.
Sadly, I think it will be out of my price league no matter what it is, and it looks like a 60D isn't going to appear until next year. That said, by next year I might have a little more money to burn...
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It is supposively full frame but that link says that it would be: APS-C (1.6 Crop)
Something lost in translation here?
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It appears that in these changes Canon is also changing the naming paradigm.
The upgraded 50D is not the 60D, but the 7D. This is why it seems confusing to see a crop framed improved 5DMII, because its not and improved 5D, but an improved 50D.
Canon looks to be retreating from the megapixel race and going to an improved performance race, one that suits me just fine.
Z
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With 1D-like AF and metering, but a crop sensor, are we talking about semi-pro sports shooters? Wildlife photographers? Photojournalists? It's definitely an interesting product, and if the 1700 dollar price tag is accurate, a magnificent deal for what it does.
I bought my 40D because it was a mini 1DIII, looks like it's going to be replaced.
I'm sure a lot of canon shooters will be extremely happy about this arrival!
If the price stays in that region, has killer high ISO performance and it really is a crop (a few days agoI read some speculations that it might be ff or 1.3 that accepts EFS lenses, although that now seems to be debunked by the further trickle of information), it might well be on my list after the initial price starts to come down a little bit....
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I also think the fact they chose to call it 7D is to get some people to accept the idea that a crop sensor camera can be considered a true "Pro" camera. This is not made just for amateurs.
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DM your recent posts have had me ROTFL!!! You have become a real GEEK!!! I've noticed the metamorphosis happening for a while. Or had you merely been hiding that particular light under a bushel up till now?:D:D:D
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oooOOOOoooh nOOOOooo.... :smo my secret has been discovered!!!!
'Tis true... as long as it doesn't involve any actual math, I am a closet geek, although very much on a "need to know" rather than universal basis. I usually hide it well, but occasionally my inner techie comes out to play....
As for following this particular story, however, it's with intent rather than idle interest: even when I bought my Xsi last year I knew that it would either be a stepping-stone body, or ultimately become a second body. I didn't really want the 50d (too similar to the 40d, which is already extremely similar in processor and performance to the Xsi), the 5dII is WAY out of my price league, and so I've just been waiting and watching in the hope a choice would present itself. Plus, I finally have some WORK booked for the next few months, so I might actually have some money again (now let's hope these contracts don't actually get cancelled - 3 out of 4 booked gigs went south this year, so it has been pretty bad. All of my camera-gear purchases this year were funded by photographic gig-lets and/or sale of existing gear to fund them.....)
Your development in all kinds of ways here has been amazing to see. And it's obvious you are a survivor. I wish you all the best, and I hope those gigs stay your side of the border and you are able to get the camera of your dreams, when the manufacturers get around to it!
I have discovered a similar geeky side to my own nature since getting into photography, and I enjoy the gear and the tech side of things for their own sake, as much as the actual taking of pictures.
Take care.
Neil
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1. 18MP APSC CMOS
2. Dual DIGIC 4
3. 8 FPS (94 FINE JPEG/ 15 RAW)
4. New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
5. ISO 100-6400 (Exp 12800)
6. 100% 1.0X magni VF with intelligent display, horizon assist
7. New iFCL metering (exposure and colour)
8. 3′ 920K Version II LCD, 160 deg viewing
9. Full HD video (w external mic input n HDMI output)
10. Live view w Face-priority AF
11. New switch for Live View/Video mode
12. Aero-dynamic body design, metallic shutter sound, 150K shutter life
13. New 24mm built-in flash, supports EOS intelligent speedlite system
14. A.L.O
15. P.I.C
16. Picture style
17. EOS Integrated Dust Removal system
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/8689636.jpg
I can't decide if this should replace my 1D2N.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Thanks for the very kind words, Neil
Back to the subject at hand... every trickle of info about the 7D makes it sound more and more intriguing! Hopefully tomorrow some of the magazines and pundits will start previewing - am very interested to hear the reality of this new beast!