Canon 1D Mark IV!

rookieshooterrookieshooter Registered Users Posts: 539 Major grins
edited March 8, 2010 in Cameras
Anyone interested?

http://www.canonrumors.com/

Tomorrow is also Canon's 50th anniversary. Congrats white lens shooters!
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  • bartronbartron Registered Users Posts: 7 Beginner grinner
    edited October 20, 2009
    Rob Galbraith
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    Samples
    http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos1dm4/
  • Philip GohPhilip Goh Registered Users Posts: 33 Big grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Looks like it's Canon's response to the Nikon D3s. Should be interesting to see these two cameras compared side by side.
  • craig_dcraig_d Registered Users Posts: 911 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    The low light capabilities demonstrated in Vincent Laforet's video (see "First video from the new Canon 1D MKIV" elsewhere in this forum) are remarkable. I can't afford one of these puppies, but ISO 6400 with minimal noise (less noise than a 5D Mark II in ISO 3200, it looks like) is a great step forward. I look forward to the 5D Mark III in another year or two...
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  • Moogle PepperMoogle Pepper Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    The more important question is, when is Andy going to buy one.rolleyes1.gif

    Figured the mk IV would be announced!
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Moogle Pepper wrote:
    The more important question is, when is Andy going to buy one.<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >

    Figured the mk IV would be announced!

    We've been working with Vincent again :D

    <object width="640" height="360" ><param name="movie" value="http://cdn.smugmug.com/ria/ShizVidz-2009090604.swf&quot; /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="flashVars" value="s=ZT0xJmk9Njg2MzQ1ODIwJms9RWVEQ2EmYT0xMDAyNDEyMl9zcWh3RSZ1PXZpbmNlbnRsYWZvcmV0" /><embed src="http://cdn.smugmug.com/ria/ShizVidz-2009090604.swf&quot; flashVars="s=ZT0xJmk9Njg2MzQ1ODIwJms9RWVEQ2EmYT0xMDAyNDEyMl9zcWh3RSZ1PXZpbmNlbnRsYWZvcmV0" width="640" height="360" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullScreen="true"></embed></object>

    Nocturne, by Vincent Laforet - shot at ISO 6400 on Canon 1D Mark IV.

    :jawdrop
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  • Moogle PepperMoogle Pepper Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    eek7.gifeat

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  • Awais YaqubAwais Yaqub Registered Users Posts: 10,572 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Oh man what a video.... I don't know about quality but the concept and how they made it is totally fantastic clap.gifclap.gifclap.gifclap.gif
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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,132 moderator
    edited October 20, 2009
    This model has me pretty excited.

    With:
    • "Calibrated" ISOs to 12,800,
    • A new AF module with greatly increased sensitivity and capable of f4 cross-type sensor activation for many Canon "L" lenses (or f4 equivalence with a teleconverter) across the entire 39 cross-type point AF array (and f4 sensitivity for the center dot regardless of lens),
    • With the ability (again) to select individually "any" of the 45 AF points, and finally,
    • With an AF selection system similar to the 7D, including orientation sensitive AF selection,


    ... the usability of this camera for sports, news and event photography should be amazing.
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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Registered Users Posts: 9,522 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    ziggy53 wrote:
    This model has me pretty excited.
    ... the usability of this camera for sports, news and event photography should be amazing.

    Me too!clap.gif

    Let's not forget wildlife, Ziggy! :D
  • ShimaShima Registered Users Posts: 2,547 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    It's certainly got some nice specs! Very drool worthy and I love the video that Vincent posted, really shows off some nice low light amazingness. I'm personally not planning to buy one due to the cost of them and having finally moved to a 2 x 5D Mk II line up (got my second 5D Mk II in August, heh) but I will thoroughly enjoy seeing everyone's images on them!
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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,132 moderator
    edited October 20, 2009
    Ric Grupe wrote:
    Me too!clap.gif

    Let's not forget wildlife, Ziggy! :D

    Absolutely. thumb.gifclap.gif
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  • CrossbarphotoCrossbarphoto Registered Users Posts: 89 Big grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    bowdown.giflust

    Mmmmm Hmmm!
  • AlbertZeroKAlbertZeroK Registered Users Posts: 217 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Price?
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Nice!thumb.gif
    BTW, dpreview has a preliminary look too:
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09102001canon1d4.asp
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  • ShimaShima Registered Users Posts: 2,547 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    AlbertZeroK wrote:
    Price?

    $4,999
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  • AlbertZeroKAlbertZeroK Registered Users Posts: 217 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Shima wrote:
    $4,999

    I should have known that if I had to ask, I couldn't afford it! thumb.gif
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  • insanefredinsanefred Registered Users Posts: 604 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    not to sound like a troll, I know come off as one sometimes... :D
    And the camera should yield some awesome photos in the right hands.



    Other then the orientation AF detection...
    I am somewhat, oddly, depressed and uninspired by the 1d4. headscratch.gifcry
    And no the video does NOT appeal to me at all. rolleyes1.gif

    And for some reason, it actually did make me love my current setup even more! iloveyou.gif

    FWIW: I also found this...
    http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/digitalcameras/0,39001468,45095238p,00.htm

    The samples one the bottom just cannot be real. I refuse to believe those results.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Moogle Pepper wrote:
    The more important question is, when is Andy going to buy one.rolleyes1.gif

    Figured the mk IV would be announced!

    The real question is how long after he buys it will he put it up for sale?
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  • Moogle PepperMoogle Pepper Registered Users Posts: 2,950 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Harryb wrote:
    The real question is how long after he buys it will he put it up for sale?

    You got me there! ha!
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  • PindyPindy Registered Users Posts: 1,089 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    This is the one camera Canon makes that I just don't get. That 1.3x sensor is only appealing to long lenses. Otherwise, they seem stuck on this outdated crop factor and have to perpetuate it to those who've bought into the system for years. In every other way, it's a great looking camera.
  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    Pindy wrote:
    This is the one camera Canon makes that I just don't get. That 1.3x sensor is only appealing to long lenses. Otherwise, they seem stuck on this outdated crop factor and have to perpetuate it to those who've bought into the system for years. In every other way, it's a great looking camera.
    Meh - not really an issue IMO - you get great lens performance (no soft corners) and plenty of megapixels.
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  • UmmmHowsThatUmmmHowsThat Registered Users Posts: 93 Big grins
    edited October 20, 2009
    insanefred wrote:
    FWIW: I also found this...
    http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/digitalcameras/0,39001468,45095238p,00.htm

    The samples one the bottom just cannot be real. I refuse to believe those results.

    It seems they took the pictures down already due to a request from Canon.
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  • rookieshooterrookieshooter Registered Users Posts: 539 Major grins
    edited October 21, 2009
    Pindy wrote:
    This is the one camera Canon makes that I just don't get. That 1.3x sensor is only appealing to long lenses. Otherwise, they seem stuck on this outdated crop factor and have to perpetuate it to those who've bought into the system for years. In every other way, it's a great looking camera.

    If you're shooting with a long lens it makes a gigantic difference. In fact I'm going to buy a crop body to compliment my D700 just for air shows, motorcycle racing, etc. The extra reach really comes in handy.
  • insanefredinsanefred Registered Users Posts: 604 Major grins
    edited October 21, 2009
    Crop sensors do not give you any extra reach. I wish that myth would just go away. They do usually give you more more resolution, allowing you to zoom in more in PP and get greater detail.

    If you need more reach, they are called tele-converters.
  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,132 moderator
    edited October 21, 2009
    insanefred wrote:
    Crop sensors do not give you any extra reach. I wish that myth would just go away. They do usually give you more more resolution, allowing you to zoom in more in PP and get greater detail.

    If you need more reach, they are called tele-converters.

    The "crop" factor does reduce the field of view for any given focal length, similar to the practical effect of a teleconverter, hence the "conception" and "perception" of extra reach.

    Another way to think about it is that if you had 2 boxes set up, and 2 camera systems in the boxes to create a blind test, and if each system had the same field of view and "f" setting, you would not be able to discern which system delivered which results based upon crop body or teleconverter "and" full-format body. There would be differences, of course, in shutter speed to achieve the same exposure of the same scene and lighting conditions.

    I think we can agree that we are, in fact, thinking of the same results; it is only the "conceptual" differences that interfere with acceptance.
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  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited October 21, 2009
    Pindy wrote:
    This is the one camera Canon makes that I just don't get. That 1.3x sensor is only appealing to long lenses. Otherwise, they seem stuck on this outdated crop factor and have to perpetuate it to those who've bought into the system for years. In every other way, it's a great looking camera.

    Isn't a camera like this pretty much intended for pro press and sports 'tog? If so, then I'd have thought "tele" is just what they need ne_nau.gif And since the other pro model is a ff, doesn't that pretty much cover everybody?

    My question is why did they confuse their lineup with TWO "1" names? I had no clue until recently that they were actually different cameras, rather than different model/year of the same one. Very confusing until you reach Total Geek status (sadly, I think I'm now there.... rolleyes1.gif).
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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,132 moderator
    edited October 21, 2009
    divamum wrote:
    Isn't a camera like this pretty much intended for pro press and sports 'tog? If so, then I'd have thought "tele" is just what they need ne_nau.gif And since the other pro model is a ff, doesn't that pretty much cover everybody?

    My question is why did they confuse their lineup with TWO "1" names? I had no clue until recently that they were actually different cameras, rather than different model/year of the same one. Very confusing until you reach Total Geek status (sadly, I think I'm now there.... rolleyes1.gif).

    Yes, the Canon 1D MKIV intended market is mostly professional sports and news. They also know that a lot of professional studio, event, nature and wildlife photographers will use the camera as well.

    The Canon "1" designation has always meant the pinnacle of the Canon camera line. It implies both speed and durability. The 1D and 1Ds share very similar, in some cases almost identical:

    Body construction
    Shutter box
    Mirror box
    Image processor and processing algorithms (although the recent 1D models use "dual" processors primarily to maintain image throughput speeds)
    Responsiveness (not to be confused with fps)

    In Canon-speak, the larger the number, and the larger the number of digits, the more recent the model and/or the more subordinate the series.
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  • BlackwoodBlackwood Registered Users Posts: 313 Major grins
    edited October 23, 2009
    Pindy wrote:
    This is the one camera Canon makes that I just don't get. That 1.3x sensor is only appealing to long lenses. Otherwise, they seem stuck on this outdated crop factor and have to perpetuate it to those who've bought into the system for years. In every other way, it's a great looking camera.

    I don't agree. Unless you repeatedly go back and forth between various sensor sizes, the crop factor isn't an issue. Just use appropriate focal lengths for your composition whether you are using a 4X5 sensor or one the size of your fingernail.
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  • craig_dcraig_d Registered Users Posts: 911 Major grins
    edited October 23, 2009
    ziggy53 wrote:
    I think we can agree that we are, in fact, thinking of the same results; it is only the "conceptual" differences that interfere with acceptance.

    This is something one encounters quite a lot in photography. I know that when people say things like "small sensors make your lenses longer" or "small sensors have more DOF" that they are talking about a real effect that has meaning in practice, but on a technical level these statements are completely wrong and don't help anyone to understand what's really going on.

    The only thing an APS-C/Four-Thirds/etc. sensor does differently from full-frame is read a smaller area of the image circle. It doesn't change perspective, focal length, or DOF by itself. These things change, if at all, as a result of the photographer making other changes in an attempt to maintain certain invariants relative to full frame, such as field of view (which requires a change of focal length or position) or print size (which requires a change of magnification). These other changes are what cause the perceived effects. It's not that the effects aren't real, it's that they aren't caused by the sensor.
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  • insanefredinsanefred Registered Users Posts: 604 Major grins
    edited October 23, 2009
    craig_d wrote:
    This is something one encounters quite a lot in photography. I know that when people say things like "small sensors make your lenses longer" or "small sensors have more DOF" that they are talking about a real effect that has meaning in practice, but on a technical level these statements are completely wrong and don't help anyone to understand what's really going on.

    The only thing an APS-C/Four-Thirds/etc. sensor does differently from full-frame is read a smaller area of the image circle. It doesn't change perspective, focal length, or DOF by itself. These things change, if at all, as a result of the photographer making other changes in an attempt to maintain certain invariants relative to full frame, such as field of view (which requires a change of focal length or position) or print size (which requires a change of magnification). These other changes are what cause the perceived effects. It's not that the effects aren't real, it's that they aren't caused by the sensor.

    My thoughts exactly.

    Also, "the af points don't cover as much on FF" thing is complete crap too.
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