An indexed keyword is a "real" keyword. It shows up in your keywords list, searches, etc. A non-indexed keyword is an invalid keyword. It'll appear in your keyword editing tools, but it won't appear "publicly" or on any keywords list or in search results.
If i only have one multi-word keyword, like "all pictures", the comma after the keyword is thrown away so it isn't seen as a multi-word keyword and isn't allowed.
Similar things happening here:
I uploaded a gallery this weekend. All IPTC keywords were blank in original photos. Upon upload, smug added "csta" and "rca" keywords from the filenames (can't WAIT for that to be eliminated).
I want "Costa Rica" (one keyword phrase, no quotes). In the bulk keyword tool, I removed all the smug-added stuff.
I then added "costa rica" (no quotes) to all keywords. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were "costa" and "rica" (two keywords, no quotes)
Added "costa rica," (trailing comma, no quotes) to all keyword boxes. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were still "costa" and "rica" (no quotes)
Added "costa rica, vacation" (no quotes) to all keywords. That worked, adding "Costa Rica" and "vacation" as keywords.
So how would I enter "costa rica" as a single keyword phrase using the bulk tool? It worked if I added an additional keyword, but how to do it without doing that?
I uploaded a gallery this weekend. All IPTC keywords were blank in original photos. Upon upload, smug added "csta" and "rca" keywords from the filenames (can't WAIT for that to be eliminated).
I want "Costa Rica" (one keyword phrase, no quotes). In the bulk keyword tool, I removed all the smug-added stuff.
I then added "costa rica" (no quotes) to all keywords. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were "costa" and "rica" (two keywords, no quotes)
Added "costa rica," (trailing comma, no quotes) to all keyword boxes. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were still "costa" and "rica" (no quotes)
Added "costa rica, vacation" (no quotes) to all keywords. That worked, adding "Costa Rica" and "vacation" as keywords.
So how would I enter "costa rica" as a single keyword phrase using the bulk tool? It worked if I added an additional keyword, but how to do it without doing that?
B
B - It sounds like David has this one fixed in an unreleased version. The 'bug' in the current release is that the comma at the end isn't added. To compound this, when only a single two-word keyword is there, it is seen as two words since there are no commas.
For now, adding a second keyword, or a comma at the end, should work. And when the fix is released, this won't be a problem.
Quotes and commas
I've been reading the progress of the keyword changes. I decided not to try to fix anything until ... the best time.
Right now some of my keywords - all of which were quote-separated, have been converted to comma-separated, and some remain quote-separated.
Should I wait longer and the rest of the quote-separated keywords will convert to commas? Or if some are still quote-separated, will they remain that way and I should convert them manually? I'd rather wait for SM to convert them and then do the mop-up, if possible.
Bug fixes are now live, plus an account level setting to disable filename keywording.
Hooray.
I found the filename setting. It's in Control Panel-> Settings.
Checked that a single two-word keyword can be followed by a comma - that works now.
Had to remove several dozen four digit numbers by hand (thinking of them as "4 letter words" by now), but no new ones have been indexed, even though they exist in most of my old galleries.
Bug fixes are now live, plus an account level setting to disable filename keywording.
The bulk keyword tool still seems to have some bugs. They relate to adding commas when keywords are added using the "preview" button at the top.
When an image has one or zero keywords, a comma is not automatically inserted when a keyword is inserted. You can end up with a list of space-separated keywords.
When a multi-word keyword is inserted, the trailing comma is inserted improperly (not at the end). In one case I tried, the second word (a 3-digit number, to be exact) didn't get inserted at all. Putting quotes around a multi-word keyword does work, but I thought we didn't need those anymore.
Also, it looks like single and double digit keywords are working, but only with quotes around them. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
Bug fixes are now live, plus an account level setting to disable filename keywording.
OK, I've ticked the setting. Now, how do I delete all the four digit numerical file seqence keywords I have? I have always used continuous filenaming, same in two cameras, so these keywords will be associated with 0-2 pictures. Can I do a search for numericals?
Problems with operations on selections of multiple keywords
I just noticed what I think is a related problem. A number of operations that used to work for selections based on multiple keywords no longer seem to work. For example, if I select photos with keywords favorite and hongkong,
the photos come up just fine, but if I click Slideshow, there is no slideshow. The screen goes black, I see the 'Press Esc to return...' message, and the screen stays black indefinitely. This happens in Chrome and Firefox, on Vista and Windows 7.
Similarly, if I click on Tools Caption/Keyword, I used to be able to carry out operations on the keywords and captions for photos already defined by multiple keywords, so for example for all photos keyworded favorite and china I could add a favchina, so as to have a single keyword to use in a slideshow feed. Caption/Keyword no longer works. If I click on it, all I see is the Smugmug header and footer. Same thing happens in Delete.
Ooooh! I am a happy camper, in spite of the glitches noted below. I just noticed that Smugmug now supports keyword feeds for multiple keywords. In the past, feeds were only supported for only one keyword. I have been wanting this for a long time, so that I could embed slideshows based on multiple keywords in my blog and elsewhere. It was pretty straightforward, in the code for the Shazam slideshow, I replaced just dropped in the keywords I wanted, separated by a comma. My blog entry presenting my favorites from my recent trip to Hong Kong has an example of a slideshow based on the keywords favorite and hongkong.
Now that multiple keywords are supported for feeds, I don't need to bother with what I used to do, which was to call up photos based on multiple keywords, and then bulk edit keywords to add some kind of special keyword to distinguish all of them.
I just noticed what I think is a related problem. A number of operations that used to work for selections based on multiple keywords no longer seem to work. For example, if I select photos with keywords favorite and hongkong,
the photos come up just fine, but if I click Slideshow, there is no slideshow. The screen goes black, I see the 'Press Esc to return...' message, and the screen stays black indefinitely. This happens in Chrome and Firefox, on Vista and Windows 7.
Similarly, if I click on Tools Caption/Keyword, I used to be able to carry out operations on the keywords and captions for photos already defined by multiple keywords, so for example for all photos keyworded favorite and china I could add a favchina, so as to have a single keyword to use in a slideshow feed. Caption/Keyword no longer works. If I click on it, all I see is the Smugmug header and footer. Same thing happens in Delete.
How nice that the keyword updating is complete! Thanks SmugMug!
In the spirit of working out the details, I've noticed the following:
- I believe I read that commas are now the preferred separator, so I decided to replace the quotes (where many keywords are phrases) with commas. That should be, I believe, Replace ", "
with , [comma space], but that operation doesn't work. I get mixed results so I can't tell you it does only X, but generally the quotes don't go away.
- Replacing the combination comma space, with a space, does not work. It's needed because with all the work that was done, commas have been inserted between words in a keyword phrase and have to be removed. This operation results in a phrase with no spaces, so, a run-on word.
Somewhere in my efforts it occurred to me that it appears a comma is treated like a space?
There were several operations that did not work, but I got so involved in trying variations on them, I unfortunately didn't track every version.
OK, I've ticked the setting. Now, how do I delete all the four digit numerical file seqence keywords I have? I have always used continuous filenaming, same in two cameras, so these keywords will be associated with 0-2 pictures. Can I do a search for numericals?
David......I don't want to pile on here but I also have loads of numerical keywords that I would like to get rid of after checking the new disable feature. Is there a method I could use to get rid of them?
I'm happy to help out with numeric keyword removal as time permits (ie. I'm not giving timelines of when it will be done), so if you're cool with that.
For the record, I'm not doing any back end magic, so anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can achieve the same thing.
I'm currently travelling from Australia to the US, so I'm going to be off the grid for a little bit.
Previously, when using space separated keyword strings, you would need to enter the following to achieve the same result...
Melbourne "New York" London
This method still works now, but you will notice that if you save that string, and then open the keyword dialog again...The keyword string has been rewritten as....
Melbourne, "New York", London
For some reason, several keywords were bundled into strings and the bulk functions aren't working well. If I want to replace "nice key words" with "keywords", I have to remove "nice", then "key" and replace "words" with "keywords", but then the coma disappears so it creates a string with other keywords.
I'm happy to help out with numeric keyword removal as time permits (ie. I'm not giving timelines of when it will be done), so if you're cool with that.
For the record, I'm not doing any back end magic, so anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can achieve the same thing.
I'm currently travelling from Australia to the US, so I'm going to be off the grid for a little bit.
Cheers,
David
Yep, cool with that. Thanks for the response and safe travels.
For some reason, several keywords were bundled into strings and the bulk functions aren't working well. If I want to replace "nice key words" with "keywords", I have to remove "nice", then "key" and replace "words" with "keywords", but then the coma disappears so it creates a string with other keywords.
this should be working properly as of the release the other day. Resaving the keywords for that image/s will index them correctly
this should be working properly as of the release the other day. Resaving the keywords for that image/s will index them correctly
Sorry, not there yet. It still doesn't handle a single, multiple-word keyword, like a first and last name combination.
If I add
joe smith
I get: joe, smith
If I start over and add
joe smith, jane smith
it works OK
If I remove jane smith, nothing happens.
If i remove jane, I get
joe smith smith
When I save this, I get
joe, smith, smith
It seems that if there is no comma, it assumes spaces are the delimiters, and replaces each space with a comma and a space. And no comma goes at the end.
A sort-of workaround is to always have two or more keywords for each image by adding a dummy single-word keyword.
I'm happy to help out with numeric keyword removal as time permits (ie. I'm not giving timelines of when it will be done), so if you're cool with that.
For the record, I'm not doing any back end magic, so anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can achieve the same thing.
I'm currently travelling from Australia to the US, so I'm going to be off the grid for a little bit.
Absolutely. Just wasn't sure if something was actively being done or not.
I was aware, but not ready to say anything, until today. And there's always the chance that it gets delayed a bit. But we're hoping for this release this week!
I was aware, but not ready to say anything, until today. And there's always the chance that it gets delayed a bit. But we're hoping for this release this week!
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Good to know, thanks Dave!
Malte
I'm sorry Andy, but if I left it that way my keyword wouldn't work.
The keyword tool doesn't automatically leave a comma after the last keyword. In fact if you put one there it deletes it.
DayBreak, my Folk Music Group (some free mp3s!) http://daybreakfolk.com
Similar things happening here:
I uploaded a gallery this weekend. All IPTC keywords were blank in original photos. Upon upload, smug added "csta" and "rca" keywords from the filenames (can't WAIT for that to be eliminated).
I want "Costa Rica" (one keyword phrase, no quotes). In the bulk keyword tool, I removed all the smug-added stuff.
I then added "costa rica" (no quotes) to all keywords. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were "costa" and "rica" (two keywords, no quotes)
Added "costa rica," (trailing comma, no quotes) to all keyword boxes. Saved, and went back, and the keywords were still "costa" and "rica" (no quotes)
Added "costa rica, vacation" (no quotes) to all keywords. That worked, adding "Costa Rica" and "vacation" as keywords.
So how would I enter "costa rica" as a single keyword phrase using the bulk tool? It worked if I added an additional keyword, but how to do it without doing that?
B
B - It sounds like David has this one fixed in an unreleased version. The 'bug' in the current release is that the comma at the end isn't added. To compound this, when only a single two-word keyword is there, it is seen as two words since there are no commas.
For now, adding a second keyword, or a comma at the end, should work. And when the fix is released, this won't be a problem.
Scott
I've been reading the progress of the keyword changes. I decided not to try to fix anything until ... the best time.
Right now some of my keywords - all of which were quote-separated, have been converted to comma-separated, and some remain quote-separated.
Should I wait longer and the rest of the quote-separated keywords will convert to commas? Or if some are still quote-separated, will they remain that way and I should convert them manually? I'd rather wait for SM to convert them and then do the mop-up, if possible.
Thanks.
SmugMug API Developer
My Photos
I can hear jfriend and 100 other dgrinners shouting with glee!
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Hooray.
I found the filename setting. It's in Control Panel-> Settings.
Checked that a single two-word keyword can be followed by a comma - that works now.
Had to remove several dozen four digit numbers by hand (thinking of them as "4 letter words" by now), but no new ones have been indexed, even though they exist in most of my old galleries.
Thanks for the improvement!
The bulk keyword tool still seems to have some bugs. They relate to adding commas when keywords are added using the "preview" button at the top.
When an image has one or zero keywords, a comma is not automatically inserted when a keyword is inserted. You can end up with a list of space-separated keywords.
When a multi-word keyword is inserted, the trailing comma is inserted improperly (not at the end). In one case I tried, the second word (a 3-digit number, to be exact) didn't get inserted at all. Putting quotes around a multi-word keyword does work, but I thought we didn't need those anymore.
Also, it looks like single and double digit keywords are working, but only with quotes around them. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
Dave
OK, I've ticked the setting. Now, how do I delete all the four digit numerical file seqence keywords I have? I have always used continuous filenaming, same in two cameras, so these keywords will be associated with 0-2 pictures. Can I do a search for numericals?
Malte
I just noticed what I think is a related problem. A number of operations that used to work for selections based on multiple keywords no longer seem to work. For example, if I select photos with keywords favorite and hongkong,
http://canghuixu.smugmug.com/keyword/favorite-hongkong
the photos come up just fine, but if I click Slideshow, there is no slideshow. The screen goes black, I see the 'Press Esc to return...' message, and the screen stays black indefinitely. This happens in Chrome and Firefox, on Vista and Windows 7.
Similarly, if I click on Tools Caption/Keyword, I used to be able to carry out operations on the keywords and captions for photos already defined by multiple keywords, so for example for all photos keyworded favorite and china I could add a favchina, so as to have a single keyword to use in a slideshow feed. Caption/Keyword no longer works. If I click on it, all I see is the Smugmug header and footer. Same thing happens in Delete.
Now that multiple keywords are supported for feeds, I don't need to bother with what I used to do, which was to call up photos based on multiple keywords, and then bulk edit keywords to add some kind of special keyword to distinguish all of them.
Yaaaaay! This is great!
In the spirit of working out the details, I've noticed the following:
- I believe I read that commas are now the preferred separator, so I decided to replace the quotes (where many keywords are phrases) with commas. That should be, I believe, Replace ", "
Malte,
I've removed all your numeric keywords for you.
Cheers,
David
SmugMug API Developer
My Photos
David......I don't want to pile on here but I also have loads of numerical keywords that I would like to get rid of after checking the new disable feature. Is there a method I could use to get rid of them?
-Danny
dannyberryphotography.com
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For the record, I'm not doing any back end magic, so anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can achieve the same thing.
I'm currently travelling from Australia to the US, so I'm going to be off the grid for a little bit.
Cheers,
David
SmugMug API Developer
My Photos
Thank you David!
Malte
For some reason, several keywords were bundled into strings and the bulk functions aren't working well. If I want to replace "nice key words" with "keywords", I have to remove "nice", then "key" and replace "words" with "keywords", but then the coma disappears so it creates a string with other keywords.
borealphoto.smugmug.com
Yep, cool with that. Thanks for the response and safe travels.
-Danny
dannyberryphotography.com
Facebook
this should be working properly as of the release the other day. Resaving the keywords for that image/s will index them correctly
SmugMug API Developer
My Photos
Sorry, not there yet. It still doesn't handle a single, multiple-word keyword, like a first and last name combination.
If I add
joe smith
I get: joe, smith
If I start over and add
joe smith, jane smith
it works OK
If I remove jane smith, nothing happens.
If i remove jane, I get
joe smith smith
When I save this, I get
joe, smith, smith
It seems that if there is no comma, it assumes spaces are the delimiters, and replaces each space with a comma and a space. And no comma goes at the end.
A sort-of workaround is to always have two or more keywords for each image by adding a dummy single-word keyword.
Dave
Dave,
Is this something you are still going to do with my plethora of numerical keywords?
-Danny
dannyberryphotography.com
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Absolutely. Just wasn't sure if something was actively being done or not.
-Danny
dannyberryphotography.com
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-Danny
dannyberryphotography.com
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