Lightroom 3 publishing: SmugMug support?

dberthia · January 15, 2010

Lightroom 3 is introducing a new way to publish photos to online sites (Details here). Anybody know if SmugMug is planning to officially support this, or if we're going to need to rely on third parties?

cmason · January 15, 2010

dberthia wrote:

Lightroom 3 is introducing a new way to publish photos to online sites (Details here). Anybody know if SmugMug is planning to officially support this, or if we're going to need to rely on third parties?

?? are you asking if Smugmug will provide the plug-in, or somehow ship with Lightroom? Or something else?

Since Jeffery Friedl already provides this capability, and in fact is mentioned as driving this effort in LR3, not sure what is needed or missing from LR2...we already have much of this now, and LR3 looks like a nice improvement.

chrisdg · January 15, 2010

Yep. agreed. If it doesn't come out-of-the-box from Adobe or downloadable from SmugMug, I'm confident that Jeffrey will have one ready asap.

dberthia · January 15, 2010

I have no doubt that Jeffery Friedl will release something for this, but am just wondering if an "official" version is to be expected.

arodney · January 15, 2010

Most if not all 3rd party export modules are broken in 3beta so don’t expect anything until the final release.

Pixoul · January 15, 2010

chrisdg wrote:

Yep. agreed. If it doesn't come out-of-the-box from Adobe or downloadable from SmugMug, I'm confident that Jeffrey will have one ready asap.

Jeffrey Friedl's SmugMug Lightroom plug-in has supported the new LR3 format for a while. From the release notes:

20091022.124 Added a first draft of some rudimentary support for Lightroom 3 Beta. See this important note about plugin support in Lightroom 3 Beta and Lightroom 3, including future plans for features and my registration system.

As far as official support, no idea.

W.W. Webster · January 15, 2010

Pixoul wrote:

Jeffrey Friedl's SmugMug Lightroom plug-in has supported the new LR3 format for a while.

Jeffery Friedl's plug-in, together with Timothy Armes' Mogrify plug-in, has always done everything I need for export to SmugMug. I'm expecting to continue to use these with LR3.

No other solution is required IMHO!

Rhuarc · March 12, 2010

W.W. Webster wrote:

Jeffery Friedl's plug-in, together with Timothy Armes' Mogrify plug-in, has always done everything I need for export to SmugMug. I'm expecting to continue to use these with LR3.

No other solution is required IMHO!

Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but isn't the new feature in LR3 meant to be a 2 way and update-able publish? So that if I make a change to an image in LR it will "automatically" be uploaded and replace the image that was previously on Smugmug? I don't believe that Friedl's plugin allows for this, nor does it allow for keywords and such to be pushed back from Smugmug into Lightroom.

W.W. Webster · March 12, 2010

Rhuarc wrote:

if I make a change to an image in LR it will "automatically" be uploaded and replace the image that was previously on Smugmug?

No, not AFAIK!

Rhuarc wrote:

I don't believe that Friedl's plugin allows for this, nor does it allow for keywords and such to be pushed back from Smugmug into Lightroom.

Ditto!

RealShakaZulu · August 29, 2010

Smugmug version
I am also getting tired of JF's rules and ridiculous nag messages. Why would SmugMug make us beholden to him!?!?!? Can no one else create these plugins? Is there a template that one can use to create a new one?

cmason · August 30, 2010

I seriously doubt that Jeffery Friedl is making political or other statements with 'rules' in how his plug-in works. His plug-ins are limited by both what Adobe provides in its plug-in architecture, and what the Smugmug API provides. Just because the Smugmug API supports something, does not mean that it is 'possible' as there may in fact be a limitation in LR.

By the way, you must check the box in the plug-in that forces embedded keywords to be read by Smugmug. If you do not, you will not get keywords. The plug-in also provides a place to manually add keywords as well.

Vote with your wallet, or with your hands (ie write a plug-in yourself) if you don't like the plug-in, don't buy it. For me, its a fantastic, time saving tool, and I am only too happy to give Jeffery some extra walking around money to credit him for his time and effort.

RealShakaZulu wrote: »

I am also getting tired of JF's rules and ridiculous nag messages. Why would SmugMug make us beholden to him!?!?!? Can no one else create these plugins? Is there a template that one can use to create a new one?

MarkR · August 30, 2010

RealShakaZulu wrote: »

I am also getting tired of JF's rules and ridiculous nag messages. Why would SmugMug make us beholden to him!?!?!? Can no one else create these plugins? Is there a template that one can use to create a new one?

Jfriedl's plugin is incredibly robust and feature-rich, is updated constantly at no charge, has a ridiculously long trial period (6 weeks, something like that?), and allows the user to register the product for as little as a penny.

Truly, no good deed goes unpunished.

Cmason wrote: »

Vote with your wallet, or with your hands (ie write a plug-in yourself) if you don't like the plug-in, don't buy it. For me, its a fantastic, time saving tool, and I am only too happy to give Jeffery some extra walking around money to credit him for his time and effort.

devbobo · August 31, 2010

Check out the official release of LR 3.2

W.W. Webster · August 31, 2010

devbobo wrote: »

Check out the official release of LR 3.2

It's still only a release candidate, isn't it?

And by the looks of it, there will be at least one more RC before we get to LR 3.2 final.

devbobo · August 31, 2010

W.W. Webster wrote: »

It's still only a release candidate, isn't it?

And by the looks of it, there will be at least one more RC before we get to LR 3.2 final.

nope, it just went live

W.W. Webster · August 31, 2010

devbobo wrote: »

nope, it just went live

Thanks!

Either they've found and squashed some serious performance bugs, or they're still there!

MarkR · August 31, 2010

The official smugmug publish tool is interesting. Is there a way to have it pre-populate gallery images that had previously been uploaded the way that jfriedl's does? It wasn't a perfect solution, but it did save a lot of time getting set up.

And, does it support a two way sync of keywords, comments, etc?

devbobo · August 31, 2010

MarkR wrote: »

The official smugmug publish tool is interesting. Is there a way to have it pre-populate gallery images that had previously been uploaded the way that jfriedl's does? It wasn't a perfect solution, but it did save a lot of time getting set up.

And, does it support a two way sync of keywords, comments, etc?

Hey Mark,

We were a bit restricted with time due to Adobe's release schedule for Lightroom, but given the timeframe and that it's our first release...it does accomplish quite a bit imho.

I have a dev version that searches the catalog for images that already exist on SmugMug, and also does conflict resolution if multiple images matching a given criteria are found. I'm not sure when this version will be publicly available, but I/m hoping sooner than later.

At this point, we aren't syncing images keywords or captions from SmugMug back to LR, but image comments are syncing directionally.

Cheers,

David

MarkR · August 31, 2010

devbobo wrote: »

Hey Mark,

We were a bit restricted with time due to Adobe's release schedule for Lightroom, but given the timeframe and that it's our first release...it does accomplish quite a bit imho.

I have a dev version that searches the catalog for images that already exist on SmugMug, that does conflict resolution if multiple images matching a given criteria are found. I'm not sure when this version will be publicly available, but I/m hoping sooner than later.

At this point, we aren't syncing images keywords or captions from SmugMug back to LR, but image comments are syncing directionally.

Cheers,

David

Wasn't complaining-- genuinely curious and trying to weigh the pros and cons of this versus jfriedl's plugin. Each has their merits and I don't want to be stuck switching between the two in order to get what I need, feature-wise.

devbobo · August 31, 2010

MarkR wrote: »

Wasn't complaining-- genuinely curious and trying to weigh the pros and cons of this versus jfriedl's plugin. Each has their merits and I don't want to be stuck switching between the two in order to get what I need, feature-wise.

hehe, that's cool. One thing that our official plugin supports that Jeffrey's doesn't, is the ability to create categories, subcategories and albums and populate them within LR while being offline.

Also, if an error is encountered during an upload, the whole batch won't be blocked from uploading while it waits for the user to click ok....it continues and then displays a summary of errors at the end of uploading, just like if you had issues during an import.

I'm sure there are plenty of other differences, but nothing comes to mind atm.

Cheers,

David

Dan7312 · August 31, 2010

Sync up existing gallery
There doesn't seem to be a way to sync up and existing gallery with the publishing collection. It that the case? Adding new stuff to an existing gallery is no problem.

Tnx

Dan7312 · August 31, 2010

The SmugMug publisher appears to "sneak" photos into a gallery:D For example the last 3 photos in this album, http://www.danalphotos.com/Other/An-Album/9934277_RT2GU#926367110_R49XL, do not appear on the "Recent Photos" list on http://www.danalphotos.com/ .

Is that how the publisher is supposed to work?

Tnx,

devbobo · August 31, 2010

Dan7312 wrote: »

The SmugMug publisher appears to "sneak" photos into a gallery:D For example the last 3 photos in this album, http://www.danalphotos.com/Other/An-Album/9934277_RT2GU#926367110_R49XL, do not appear on the "Recent Photos" list on http://www.danalphotos.com/ .

Is that how the publisher is supposed to work?

Tnx,

G'day Dan,

It's late here in Australia... 1am. I'll explain tomorrow, but there is some error handling that looks for existing images within a given gallery before uploading.

Cheers,

David

Dan7312 · August 31, 2010

Checked my site a couple of hours later and the popped up in "Latest Photos". So it working as expected, probably I was running into some kind of caching issue.

devbobo wrote: »

G'day Dan,

It's late here in Australia... 1am. I'll explain tomorrow, but there is some error handling that looks for existing images within a given gallery before uploading.

Cheers,

David

BradfordBenn · September 1, 2010

I am not complaining as I have not yet even looked at this addition yet, I was bug hunting for work yesterday. Is there a quick start or other instructions to help out with some of these questions. Yup, I am one of those weird people that read instructions - probably because I have to write them at work.

Andy · September 1, 2010

BradfordBenn wrote: »

I am not complaining as I have not yet even looked at this addition yet, I was bug hunting for work yesterday. Is there a quick start or other instructions to help out with some of these questions. Yup, I am one of those weird people that read instructions - probably because I have to write them at work.

Hang in there and You'll want to subscribe to our Release Notes blog, so that you don't miss a single update from SmugMug

http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/ at the bottom, there's a link for Entries (RSS) - put that in your favorite feed reader.

Icebear · September 2, 2010

I have LR3.2 installed (as I'm guessing is the case for many of us) on my desktop AND laptop machines. I'm guessing it would be a bad idea to set up publishing on both machines.

Photog4Christ · September 2, 2010

Now I need to save the pennies for LR3! I have a quarter and a few dimes right now.

BradfordBenn · September 2, 2010

Andy wrote: »

Hang in there and You'll want to subscribe to our Release Notes blog, so that you don't miss a single update from SmugMug http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/ at the bottom, there's a link for Entries (RSS) - put that in your favorite feed reader.

Andy, got the RSS and the Twitter feeds - still not doing Facebook

. Just did not see a link to the help until today http://www.smugmug.com/help/lightroom-upload in the release notes. As usual you guys were on top of it.

devbobo · September 3, 2010

Icebear wrote: »

I have LR3.2 installed (as I'm guessing is the case for many of us) on my desktop AND laptop machines. I'm guessing it would be a bad idea to set up publishing on both machines.

it's not a bad idea, it just won't be as functional as it will be once i have image syncing working.

netarc · May 28, 2011

Sync of keywords LR <--> SM

devbobo wrote: »

At this point, we aren't syncing images keywords or captions from SmugMug back to LR, but image comments are syncing directionally.

Cheers,

David

Checking in on this topic, do you folks have an ETA for sync'ing keywords and captions from Smugmug back to LR? If not, can anyone comment whether Jeff's plugin will accomplish this?

Too, I'd read on another post that changing keywords in LR of a pic that's already published, triggers a full re-upload of the pic to the Smugmug gallery - is that still the case, or are now only the changes (i.e., keyword updates) transmitted?

Lightroom 3 publishing: SmugMug support?

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